43 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Not that this is the game breaker, but we just put Jack and Jesse front and centre of a sponsor's campaign.

I don't think we would do that if we were contemplating getting rid of him. 

Then again, if the marketing department don't know what the FD  is thinking, that could cause problems.

As I said I think it is rubbish and a media beat up based on a random Waldron tweet!

or...

There is actually something to it....

There is a lot of water to still pass under the bridge but these decisions are not usually spare of the moment decisions. 

 

It's up to the club and Jack/player anyway - there is no point worrying about it

 

Move him on, he has a wishbone for a backbone.He did well to get 150 games out of us.

The only logical purpose to trade Jack is to better OUR list.

To do that there has to be said such target player available and a trade made able.

There has been interested parties before but unless we come off better for the horse-haggling I'm for retaining him. 

Always happy to upgrade our list though.

 

Jake Lever?

But I agree with the sentiment BB

 

I don't think you'd trade Jack Watts for a draft pick, it'd have to be for a specific established player. i'm not sure there really is one on the market who'd be a better option than Watts 

Just now, Abe said:

I don't think you'd trade Jack Watts for a draft pick, it'd have to be for a specific established player. i'm not sure there really is one on the market who'd be a better option than Watts 

Thats it. Id like to see the deal that betters us. I don't think Crows interested nor probably Jack in them.

Theoretical, possibly as part of a convoluted 3 way , so direct comparison not easy, only the residual.

I think Jack is an ok player whos not ( or wasn't) quite right the latter half of season. Id be happy to wager he like a few others took the field way under 100% fit ( for job )

He's actually very versatile. If he went, who could do his role(s) or kick so well ?

 

Just now, beelzebub said:

Thats it. Id like to see the deal that betters us. I don't think Crows interested nor probably Jack in them.

Theoretical, possibly as part of a convoluted 3 way , so direct comparison not easy, only the residual.

I think Jack is an ok player whos not ( or wasn't) quite right the latter half of season. Id be happy to wager he like a few others took the field way under 100% fit ( for job )

He's actually very versatile. If he went, who could do his role(s) or kick so well ?

 

Yep. Jack wanting to go permitting, would you consider a straight swap between Jack Watts and Adam Saad?

I think people forget how good his first half of the season was before he got injured, and also finished top 4 in our B & F last year.

We have a lot of inside mid grunt type players, but not many with the silky skills Watts possesses .

You only have to look back earlier this year when he kicked the match winner against Collingwood, cool under pressure, then ran back to full back and prevented a goal.

i find it a little perplexing the we would even contemplate trading players like Watts and Salem, although I do take Brian Waldrons information with a grain of salt.

4 minutes ago, Abe said:

Yep. Jack wanting to go permitting, would you consider a straight swap between Jack Watts and Adam Saad?

Add an upgrade in picks and it gets more interesting.

That said. Here's a question for some.

Imagine its 2018. Melb v Other in the prelim, Siren's sounded. Dees are 3 pts away from the GF. The whistle blew seconds before the siren to award a free for a defender's indiscretion. The ball will need to be kicked from about 50-55 out.. and about 10m in from the boundary. 

Who do you want holding 'that' ball ?

( I know )

6 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Add an upgrade in picks and it gets more interesting.

That said. Here's a question for some.

Imagine its 2018. Melb v Other in the prelim, Siren's sounded. Dees are 3 pts away from the GF. The whistle blew seconds before the siren to award a free for a defender's indiscretion. The ball will need to be kicked from about 50-55 out.. and about 10m in from the boundary. 

Who do you want holding 'that' ball ?

( I know )

Can only be Watts.  Or ironically, Salem!

I think the club knows that bb, which is why I doubt they will be traded.

And for mine none of the prospective names being thrown around on DL are such reliable kicks at goal under pressure.

If we trade Salem then we are left with Tyson, when we could have had Kelly, so the whole strategy doesn't make sense.

I would much rather trade dom Tyson than either watts or Salem. 

I think he's falling down the list of our inside mids with the rise of Oliver and petracca and doesn't have the attiributes to contribute as effectively in another position. Petracca can go forward. Dom really can't, doesn't have the skills for defence, doesn't have the speed for wing or forward but he's a more than handy inside mid 

On 06/09/2017 at 11:28 AM, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Up until his injury he was having a very good year - on top of a great 2016.  Teasing is the right word for it.

A fit and firing Watts makes us a four goal better team; when he's 'off', he's a liability.

 

I'm conflicted, as I think many supporters are.  If success comes, I'd love to see him there as a key part to it.  However if the offer is very good... perhaps both parties could benefit from the change.

He wasn't good early in the year but had picked up until his injury.

He should be at his peak now and still can't perform consistently. I'd cut our losses and see what he nets us.

16 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

He wasn't good early in the year but had picked up until his injury.

He should be at his peak now and still can't perform consistently. I'd cut our losses and see what he nets us.

Agree to disagree on his early season form, but I'm now leaning towards your thinking about a possible trade.

4 hours ago, beelzebub said:

The only logical purpose to trade Jack is to better OUR list.

To do that there has to be said such target player available and a trade made able.

There has been interested parties before but unless we come off better for the horse-haggling I'm for retaining him. 

Always happy to upgrade our list though.

 

Putti Ngin is apparently of interest.  A foreign player.  possible trade?

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Add an upgrade in picks and it gets more interesting.

That said. Here's a question for some.

Imagine its 2018. Melb v Other in the prelim, Siren's sounded. Dees are 3 pts away from the GF. The whistle blew seconds before the siren to award a free for a defender's indiscretion. The ball will need to be kicked from about 50-55 out.. and about 10m in from the boundary. 

Who do you want holding 'that' ball ?

( I know )

Tommy Mac

A direct swap for Jake Stringer thank you.

16 hours ago, chook fowler said:

Watts, with his talent should have won B&F's and be an All Australian by now. I know he loves the Club, I only wish this was reflected in his effort and application. I used to be against trading him but lost interest when he turned up in suboptimal condition to start preseason.

Have to agree with this, waited for years for him to realise his potential then he stuffs up pre season and then comes back after injury with poor intensity. No longer care if we trade him or not.

5 hours ago, beelzebub said:

The only logical purpose to trade Jack is to better OUR list.

To do that there has to be said such target player available and a trade made able.

There has been interested parties before but unless we come off better for the horse-haggling I'm for retaining him. 

Always happy to upgrade our list though.

 

Personally I would keep Watts but willing to trade him if we can get Winx in, might teach us how to win after giving oppositions big starts.

It would devastate me to see Watts traded and become the player we always hoped he would. Maybe it's the optimist in me, but, I think he'll own next year. Hopefully at our club.

Take the emotion out of it when you think about it. Doesn't matter what you thought he would be, and it is all about what that team needs.

Watts is a high HF/wing with elite skills and application issues who played half a dozen great games and half a dozen poor games.

If there is a deal that makes us better of course he would be moved, but he has the skill set we don't have enough of and we would be looking for in this trade window.

Personally, my view is that he doesn't go until we have his positional replacement. We need more players with elite skills not less.

only 3 short months ago, best moment of the season for me

 

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On SEN's crunch time show today Robbo suggested Watts is worth a late second round pick if traded, I dont want to trade him and if thats all we can get for him I will be filthy at the club if they trade him.

4 minutes ago, trout said:

On SEN's crunch time show today Robbo suggested Watts is worth a late second round pick if traded, I dont want to trade him and if thats all we can get for him I will be filthy at the club if they trade him.

Robbo's a muppet. I think he worth an early 2nd round pick.