53 minutes ago, rpfc said:

And yet, in our biggest game in 11 years - our resident soft [censored] was one of the few to stand up. 

Focusing on one game, and one quarter of that game, isn't very analytical. How did he perform against North and the Giants a few weeks earlier? How has he performed over the last few years? Over the course of his career?

 

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

no top 10 draft picks in the Crows line up.

Goody and crew are concentrating on culture and attitude and it's the right way to go

Chin up Ox

This is what it’s all about

Goodwin doesn’t care about Draft Picks

he backs himself to Coach like Bellamey (long term)

i thought this last summer when Watts was disciplined. 

Goodwin couldn’t care whether Jack was a number 1 draft pick

Edited September 28, 20178 yr by Sir Why You Little

23 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Maybe we are after Trengove as well. Even though he is a RFA, perhaps trading Watts will see PA not match an offer that they could reasonably match.

Bring in Trengove and Lever and it allows TMAC to play as a more permanent forward (and probably do just as good a job as Watts (minus the good disposal). Trengove could also be ruck relief to allow Max some time to rest.

Then go after Gaff for that good delivery into the forward line.

I could more than handle the loss of Watts plus picks and minor players if it meant we brought in Lever and Trengove to sure up the backline (which did leak a fair bit this year), TMAC going to FF to partner Hogan (he has a tank and is a far better contested mark than Watts can ever be) and Gaff coming in to give us run and good disposal.

Trangove for watts would be a good trade 

23 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

If we take our red and blue glasses off and consider what Watts has done in his 8 years at the club, he isn't worth a whole lot more to be honest.  

I'd rather keep Jack, believe it or not, but I think it's more so because I don't want to see him succeed elsewhere.  The problem is that I don't think clubs will be falling over themselves to trade for him, and for that reason we probably need to take the best available offer if we've decided as a club to move on from him.

60 goals in the last 2 years... not much???

Make no mistake, he wants to stay but has been asked to find another home.

Just now, DeeZee said:

Make no mistake, he wants to stay but has been asked to find another home.

Exactly what i have just been told.

Asked if he was staying.... "its a bit hard when you are being kicked out"

 

1 minute ago, bandicoot said:

60 goals in the last 2 years... not much???

Add in the assists...all so blurhhh really eh 

Selling Watts is really cutting off ya nose to shoot self in the foot !!

No goals for you !

6 minutes ago, bandicoot said:

Trangove for watts would be a good trade 

Hes a FA !!

3 minutes ago, bandicoot said:

60 goals in the last 2 years... not much???

I said consider all 8 years. Not 2. I love how wonderfully selective we are. 

4 minutes ago, ding said:

Exactly what i have just been told.

Asked if he was staying.... "its a bit hard when you are being kicked out"

 

Door stop interview today?

2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Hes a FA !!

A Restricted FA.

34 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Focusing on one game, and one quarter of that game, isn't very analytical. How did he perform against North and the Giants a few weeks earlier? How has he performed over the last few years? Over the course of his career?

 

No shiz, Dr. 

But that game is why we are having a major [censored] over the last month and more relevant than the pre-Roos era footy. Ie. the course of his career.

Up until he did his hammy, his career trajectory was fine.

Is that relevant?

He was a top five player last year and was tracking really well this year as well until the injury, we will miss his skills and versatility.

2 minutes ago, rpfc said:

No shiz, Dr. 

But that game is why we are having a major [censored] over the last month and more relevant than the pre-Roos era footy. Ie. the course of his career.

Up until he did his hammy, his career trajectory was fine.

Is that relevant?

There has to be more to this than what we know

It doesn’t make sense. For all his faults Watts is very versatile. 

To get rid of him is a big risk unless plan B is already in place

17 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

Make no mistake, he wants to stay but has been asked to find another home.

 

16 minutes ago, ding said:

Exactly what i have just been told.

Asked if he was staying.... "its a bit hard when you are being kicked out"

Jack is immensely popular with sponsors and supporters so surely the decision can't be made by a rookie coach. 

Who makes the final call:  List Management Committee? Mahoney? Jackson? The Board?

At some clubs certain trades have to be approved by the Board. For Jack the decision may not go that high but the impact on the club overall requires a bit of due diligence to ensure he is being 'kicked out' for the right reasons.  And, not just because a rookie coach is frustrated with him and wants to make an example of him.

 

21 minutes ago, ding said:

Exactly what i have just been told.

Asked if he was staying.... "its a bit hard when you are being kicked out"

 

Source?

48 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

If we take our red and blue glasses off and consider what Watts has done in his 8 years at the club, he isn't worth a whole lot more to be honest.  

I'd rather keep Jack, believe it or not, but I think it's more so because I don't want to see him succeed elsewhere.  The problem is that I don't think clubs will be falling over themselves to trade for him, and for that reason we probably need to take the best available offer if we've decided as a club to move on from him.

I'm not a JW fan... but he is worth a lot more than a previous pick 38 who has played 4 games and is uncontracted and what pick 40? 

 

Bye JW

Get some peace, son...

All the best

33 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

This is what it’s all about

Goodwin doesn’t care about Draft Picks

he backs himself to Coach like Bellamey (long term)

i thought this last summer when Watts was disciplined. 

Goodwin couldn’t care whether Jack was a number 1 draft pick

Adelaide also has the best captain in the league and a great leadership group. Tex is a lad who can have fun but is as selfless as anyone out on the field. We've had an uncommunicative, angry and downtrodden midfielder who doesn't posses any leadership qualities who just bombs the ball in. Then we now also have a young kid who just loves a tough ball get and plays 16hrs of pc games on his days off. 

I can't see this club going anywhere until we have a proper leader. Jettisoning guys who don't fit the "serious persona" won't get us anywhere. 

13 minutes ago, GCDee said:

I'm not a JW fan... but he is worth a lot more than a previous pick 38 who has played 4 games and is uncontracted and what pick 40? 

 

You know what?  You are probably right, but we aren't going to get full value here.  We're the ones moving him on, not the other way around.  If he goes to Port then we're likely getting Pick 29 back, which to me is not a whole lot different than Balic and a third rounder.  At least Balic has been in the system a few years and will be ready to go come pre-season.

Either way, at that price above I'd much rather keep Jack, but it looks unlikely that it will happen.

How long is this club going to unceremoniously oust its loyal players:  Junior, Greene, Bruce, Grimes, Dunne, Trengove and now probably Watts.

I'm not suggesting we keep under performing players. 

But I'm over rookie coaches, who have no affinity or historical connection or love of our club dumping much loved, loyal players because they want 'to make their mark' or 'make a statement'.  

Mfc motto - give us your youth, suffer the injuries and when we get a new coach he gets out his broom and sweeps you out the door.

Not a good look for mfc. 

3 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

How long is this club going to unceremoniously oust its loyal players:  Junior, Greene, Bruce, Grimes, Dunne, Trengove and now probably Watts.

I'm not suggesting we keep under performing players. 

But I'm over rookie coaches, who have no affinity or historical connection or love of our club dumping much loved, loyal players because they want 'to make their mark' or 'make a statement'.  

Mfc motto - give us your youth, suffer the injuries and when we get a new coach he gets out his broom and sweeps you out the door.

Not a good look for mfc. 

What Goodwin is doing and what Neeld did are completely different things.

1 minute ago, Luther said:

What Goodwin is doing and what Neeld did are completely different things.

I dont know if so different...but more a different way !!

Jack is immensely popular amongst the other players. If he is being kicked out, this could ruffle more than just Jacks feathers. It's a horrible move and we will get peanuts for him. This will bite us on the arse. 

I am kind of torn in all this. I don’t like the idea of Wattsy being booted out. 

But i won’t miss the one armed attempted tackles either. 

A few TV remote controls have been smashed over the journey...

there is more to play out in this one i believe....