We need find players who will stand up when it counts, enough with the down hill skiers.  12 wins and finals was my pass mark.  Failure of a season for me.  We can beat Adelaide on their home turf, west coast on theirs, big win against Port.  We  follow it up Losses to North x 2, Fremantle.  Back to the drawing board MFC

Yes. Unless we develop a ruthless nature to put teams to the sword and bring effort every single week we will continue to be irrelevant 

we have to many players who ( and I know this for a fact) view AFL footy as a job and don't invest the way they need to for us to really be successful. 

I hope goody shows the same courage at the trade table as he has with some of our positional changes 

Last year 10 wins 97%.

This year 12 wins 105%, shocking run with key player injuries & ugly draw.

We have improved!

However in the last four weeks, last quarter against North - not hard enough, last quarter against Brisbane stopped & wasted a 32 point lead, first quarter against Pies, didn't turn up, no tackles in first 20 minutes, just terrible.

Tackling has dropped off badly since about Eagles game.

Defence who stays down, or at back of packs, Pies got a few soft goals yesterday and it happens a lot. Backline coaching isn't good enough.

Disposal into forward line been poor, making it very tough for key forwards.

Outside speed & skill at times non existent.

Many things still to fix, we are getting better, but at the heart of it need someone else with Vineys competitiveness to help him drive the team forward.

We also need to take a look at the things like and of course i don't want it too ever happen, but what if we lose a player/players for long periods of the season such as Gawn and Hogan? Gawn needs help he looked cooked half way through the game, and also i noticed he had a lot of trouble running, not sure if it's fitness or something else?

We also need to find another inside mid and a couple of out side hard nuts.

Improvement doesn't exclude failure.

Off to the post-mortem thread where hindsight can still be illuminating.

13 minutes ago, GoD's67 said:

Last year 10 wins 97%.

This year 12 wins 105%, shocking run with key player injuries & ugly draw.

We have improved!

Miniscule improvement!

Not much reward for a year's work.  Injuries and the draw are not excuses.  We had finals within reach but didn't lift a finger to get there.

Until we turn up for 4 quarters each week we have not improved.

The gut wrenching thing is there is no 'next week to redeem ourselves'.  We now have to wait 8 months to see if anything changes.

2017 is a failure. Yes we improved, but not enough. Other clubs also improved and were able to win when it mattered. We failed again. Despite having one of the easiest draws of any team, we failed.

Shameful from the players to repeatedly lack effort and lose easy games that other clubs around the same mark as us can absolutely [censored] in by 80 points. Shameful that the coaching staff can fail to motivate these [censored] losers. How can they come out with a finals spot in the balance and barely lay a tackle for the whole first quarter and allow 11 scoring shots against us...how?! The coaches should be reprimanded for that alone! If I failed to rock up at my job for 25% of the day I'd get fired.

Edited August 27, 20178 yr by Lord Travis

l agree with one post the backline coaching has failed.To many easy goals given away.

FAIL

IN SUCH A BAD WEAK WAY

Leadership is still missing

just watch yesterday's 1st Quarter and then watch it again. 

Time to have 1 Captain and recruit hard nuts. We have a few now. We need more

but yes 2017 is sadly a complete fail regardless of the good moments

IT HAS TO BE!!

The Club has got to hurt. No pats on the back

we F$&@ked up and the AFL Community think its a great laugh ? 

We did it to ourselves....

2 minutes ago, 64" said:

l agree with one post the backline coaching has failed.To many easy goals given away.

The real problem is the forward line coaching. Bomb it long to a pack, wasting Hogan's abilities, and turn it over.

I would love to see our scores against for turnovers, we would be top of the ladder. Def can't do much when everyone has pressed up because we go inside 50 and turn it over.

Also, barely anyone for us can take contested marks.

One year you get 40% on an exam that has a pass of 60%.... that's a fail.

Next year you get 50% on an exam that has a pass of 60%... you improved, but still failed.

If the pass mark = finals and you dont make it, you have failed no matter how close you get.

This season was yet another fail.

MFC = FAIL.

 

 

We will not play finals with half the weak gutted players we have on our list...

MASSIVE FAIL AND TIME FOR A CLEANOUT! SHIZEN! 

Can't wait to read the 2018 version of this thread a year from now.

It really depends How you measure success. If you want to say that we improved by winning two more games, fair enough. But does that mean 10 was a pass mark? The goal was finals and some people may have adjusted the goal as the season had its highs and lows but I and many others kept it at this. 

I'll be polite, I won't say the f word but it's not a pass 

VFL grade too many on the list are.

 

at the start of the year i thought we'd finish somewhere btw 7-11 with somewhere btw 8-12 wins

whilst we achieved the higher limit of what i thought we were capable of, it's a bitterly disappointing way to end the year

Massive massive fail, I hope the players get totaled on mad Monday and spew Bile! 

What a are a wretched club! I'm over it!

Just a soft pathetic mess right now 

You can't possibly argue that as good as we have shown we can be at times,  this season has turned out to be an EPIC FAIL! 

 

It's a fail, no doubt about it. Only thing to do is move on