1 hour ago, rpfc said:

Football becomes an escape in years like the one Hogan has had in 2017.

Certainly not a job that you can throw yourself into and dedicate yourself to - and that is how anyone improves in anything.

I don't think we can read anything into 2017 for Jesse Hogan.

I agree with what you say above. I'll wait to see how consistently good he becomes , as may well many others.

It's a vexed situation to appraise. 

I don't see it as an out and out failure if we don't play finals - I'd love too but it's not the end of the world.

A failed season is one where you don't know the answer to 2 questions: (1) have we improved and (2) are we closer to a premiership.

It might be said that we have to play finals to be closer to a premiership, but I don't think that's the case. If we get to finals and put in a performance like Richmond did against Port in 2014, or the Eagles against the Dogs last year then where does that get you? Both of those teams stayed about the same the year after but hadn't improved. The Eagles are getting smashed right now because of their list and Richmond nearly sacked Hardwick, didn't make the finals last year and have made major changes to personnel and their game plan before improving (so making finals in 2014/15 was nearly irrelevant for them).

When we make finals I want us playing to win, not just make up numbers. To that end I think our game style (when going at close to 100%) has the capability of winning a flag, while we still might be a year or 2 away from doing that consistently enough to get there, I see that as proof we are closer to a premiership.  

At 10 wins and 7 losses with only 1 game of the 5 against a top 8 side.  To not make finals should be seen as a failure. 

3 hours ago, Skin D said:

Yes I was. We didn't win a premiership with him.

He was an ansolute freak of a player though, it wasn't Tulips fault we were useless so often.

check out his Youtube highlights...

14 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

He was an ansolute freak of a player though, it wasn't Tulips fault we were useless so often.

check out his Youtube highlights...

He was a good player.

54 minutes ago, Skin D said:

He was a brilliant player.

Edited for accuracy.

Clearly you never watched him live.

20 hours ago, praha said:

It's been fun at times but some of the losses have had me angrier than I've been in a while.

 Yes can understand this bit     games that just should not have been lost,  either through team selection  or team "turning up to play"

thrown away,   quarters of football where no goal was scored, shitfull    only need 4 a quarter   will win most matches.

and putting "time" into project players instead of winning more games.   They should stay at Casey and get experience there.

My opinion anyway     but OMac is getting better  each game,  but some of his early ones  made me wince   Go Dees

2 hours ago, Skin D said:

He was a good player.

You cannot be serious

R Flower was sublime every week

8 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

You obviously were not around when R Flower was 

First picked in the State side   when we were very poor says it all,,   no one better in the league  at the time he was playing

2 minutes ago, 640MD said:

First picked in the State side   when we were very poor says it all,,   no one better in the league  at the time he was playing

I loved him staring for The Big V

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I loved him staring for The Big V

Was he 'staring' at the opposition to intimidate them?

Boom, tish!

36 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Was he 'staring' at the opposition to intimidate them?

Boom, tish!

You try writing on an iphone keyboard whilst  on Peak Hour Public Transport

Horrid fixture has not helped in 2017. Until we consistently hit AFL acceptable crowd levels we face an uphill battle. Are we still maturing as a club in the modern day game? Many challenges still to face. 

Anyone who in their estimation could conclude that missing finals is not a failure must have got a 'comp' pass at HSC !!

If the answer to question one is yes, how can I answer question two?

 

So my answer is,

1  Yes

2  Not applicable

I want to change my vote. 

Big F for failure.

A massive F.

Got in Jordan Lewis for nothing. 

 FAIL

No excuses.

 

3 minutes ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Big F for failure.

Unfortunately we have been failing so often since '64' it's become regular fair.

Nothing's changed.  Time to churn and burn the bottom 6 to 8 players and go again.

And FCS Goody.....dump that Bulltish 8 man defense, train the boys to play man on man for longer periods more effectively, stick more tackles and buy in a big clunking goal kicking power forward ASAP.

If we don't fix these issues 2018 will see a repeat of this year, or worse!!

It's a tough one.  I'm totally gutted right now.  This is a different feeling - much different to the feeling I had from the smashings given out by Geelong and Essendon all those years ago.  I dislike this feeling right now, much more than those other ones.

No finals is a big, black mark on our season and right now we'll all be justifiably angry and upset about how our season has finished.  We [censored] the bed with our destiny in our hands and it's now up to the playing group to draw a line in the sand and ensure that this simply doesn't happen again.  Our list is young enough to learn and improve from it.

On the flip side, we won more games than last year and saw some genuine improvement in our players.  We showed an improved resiliency in the middle of the season when everything was against us, and funnily enough that was when we played our best footy.  Most thought we would improve further once we got our stars back, yet we stagnated terribly.

 

Huge failure.

3 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

It's a tough one.  I'm totally gutted right now.  This is a different feeling - much different to the feeling I had from the smashings given out by Geelong and Essendon all those years ago.  I dislike this feeling right now, much more than those other ones.

No finals is a big, black mark on our season and right now we'll all be justifiably angry and upset about how our season has finished.  We [censored] the bed with our destiny in our hands and it's now up to the playing group to draw a line in the sand and ensure that this simply doesn't happen again.  Our list is young enough to learn and improve from it.

On the flip side, we won more games than last year and saw some genuine improvement in our players.  We showed an improved resiliency in the middle of the season when everything was against us, and funnily enough that was when we played our best footy.  Most thought we would improve further once we got our stars back, yet we stagnated terribly.

 

another line in the sand just what we need

3 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

It's a tough one.  I'm totally gutted right now.  This is a different feeling - much different to the feeling I had from the smashings given out by Geelong and Essendon all those years ago.  I dislike this feeling right now, much more than those other ones.

No finals is a big, black mark on our season and right now we'll all be justifiably angry and upset about how our season has finished.  We [censored] the bed with our destiny in our hands and it's now up to the playing group to draw a line in the sand and ensure that this simply doesn't happen again.  Our list is young enough to learn and improve from it.

On the flip side, we won more games than last year and saw some genuine improvement in our players.  We showed an improved resiliency in the middle of the season when everything was against us, and funnily enough that was when we played our best footy.  Most thought we would improve further once we got our stars back, yet we stagnated terribly.

 

Suck it up Wise. Some of us could see it coming, yet the happy clappers didnt.

Always next year..........................................................................................................................

MFC. Never failing to disappoint since 1965.

Big fail. No amount of crystal ball gazing about our talented young list should excuse this outcome.