1 hour ago, deefella said:

There's some players there with serious question marks on skill- Hannan, stretch, harmes, Neal Bullen, McDonald  

You have just named our second highest rated disposal efficiency player in Billy stretch (80 ) 

harmes tmac omac go ok also . Do yourself a favour in the afl app click the players link and have a look at this years ratings do it for the team also . 

23 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

Good post. I don't understand the pessimism on here about our club at the moment.

I think we clearly have the best youth - GWS included - in the competition at the moment. And unlike GWS, we actually have depth. If GWS lose Kelly then it brings them right back to the pack. He is clearly their best player. In addition, Deledio, Griffin, Johnson and Shaw aren't going to be around much longer.

Never have I been more proud and buoyant about MFC.

I like your optimism KD however you will find the pessimism stems from past incompetence which on present value appears to be arriving again. We may have some of the best young talent but it wont take long for Brisbane, Carlton and even the Pies to catch up.

We should have a place in the 8 stitched up by now and like most I dont want to wait another year for the Club to play finals. I am travelling from Adelaide this week (with a some doubt about winning) and naturally hope the boys can prove me wrong.

 

 

 

34 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

Good post. I don't understand the pessimism on here about our club at the moment.

I think we clearly have the best youth - GWS included - in the competition at the moment. And unlike GWS, we actually have depth. If GWS lose Kelly then it brings them right back to the pack. He is clearly their best player. In addition, Deledio, Griffin, Johnson and Shaw aren't going to be around much longer.

Never have I been more proud and buoyant about MFC.

That's why I like these over the top and silly threads where people need to 'vent' - it gives most of us the opportunity to read the OP, sit back and go 'we aren't even close to being that bad.  We then realise again that we're headed in the right direction and that this season is far from over.  We've done lots right this year and we're still learning to fix up the issues we have.  Goodwin has only been a senior coach for 20 games after all.

We all know how this is going to go... we'll crush the Saints, then destroy the Lions...

then lose by a point after the siren to the Pies. 

It's just how we roll. 

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We have lived through the dark times recently. Good times are just around the corner.

35 minutes ago, Adzman said:

We have lived through the dark times recently. Good times are just around the corner.

Gee I really hope this rebuild doesn't fail, 3 rebuilds in 10 years is unheard of? This surely has to be our last one? Otherwise shut up shop stop wasting our time and money and let the AFL bring in a new franchise side.

Its not Rocket Science Melbourne

 

45 minutes ago, Adzman said:

We have lived through the dark times recently. Good times are just around the corner.

The  corner appears to have a very large radius Adz when when when?

4 minutes ago, deefella said:

Gee I really hope this rebuild doesn't fail, 3 rebuilds in 10 years is unheard of? This surely has to be our last one? Otherwise shut up shop stop wasting our time and money and let the AFL bring in a new franchise side.

Its not Rocket Science Melbourne

 

Why ywould we fold?

We invented the game and remain the oldest football club in the world.

 

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

That's why I like these over the top and silly threads where people need to 'vent' - it gives most of us the opportunity to read the OP, sit back and go 'we aren't even close to being that bad.  We then realise again that we're headed in the right direction and that this season is far from over.  We've done lots right this year and we're still learning to fix up the issues we have.  Goodwin has only been a senior coach for 20 games after all.

Wise you are the supreme apologist on here I always wait for your posts we have also done a lot wrong this year including very poor coaching efforts  we couldnt fixt he game plan in windy conditions in side two weeks  the sameissues haave existed all year so I think your optimism is a lil misplaced

6 minutes ago, Biffen said:

Why ywould we fold?

We invented the game and remain the oldest football club in the world.

 

Means jack really it's about a successful culture ala Geelong, Hawthorn, Sydney that wins flags and finals. If we are going to continue on like how we are what's the point really?

i like others want the club to stand for something foreignly different.... successful not a regular laughing stock

18 minutes ago, jackaub said:

Wise you are the supreme apologist on here I always wait for your posts we have also done a lot wrong this year including very poor coaching efforts  we couldnt fixt he game plan in windy conditions in side two weeks  the sameissues haave existed all year so I think your optimism is a lil misplaced

Doubt it, but that's your opinion.  I'm glad you hang around for my posts, though.  Makes me feel special.

As frustrated as we all are the reality is perhaps we're just not ready ...

The Tigers look like challenging this year after  3--4 yrs of similar performances like ours ... 

32 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Really?  Is a couple of losses enough for you to act like a 13 year old girl?

An oddly sexist comment Wise!!

But ...as I'm oddly sexist you are forgiven.

However, as penance, go and give yourself a jolly good thrashing.

21 hours ago, ding said:

Yeah i know what you mean. Im 49 and dont know what a premiership feels like. I am as frustrated as anyone with our lack of success.

How bout you just hang in for the next few weeks and see what happens. You just never know............................

Chin up bud.

I am 59 still waiting       why do I still do it   ???(such emotional  investment  )          cause when you do win games..  nothing beats it..  so I will keep on keeping on in hope.

The difficulty for us Melbourne fans if we've been through all this before we can almost write the script. We hit rock bottom, get good kids in, start to build what looks like the beginning of success, finals are laid out in front of us as long as we do what's expect of us, only to falter at that final step. We come crashing back down and start it all again. 

I'm not necessarily saying that's what's happening here but there's no doubt this week is a crossroads for us. Last year we had the idea of finals taken away from us when we lost stupidly to Carlton, and now on the back of losing to the Roos and getting our asses thoroughly handed to us by GWS it could well happen again. 

The match this week is a 50/50, we win and finals are again on the cards. We lose and it's another year our fans get their hopes up only to have it snatched away. 

I would think players like Watts, Jones, Viney, Gawn and all others that have been at the club for a minimum of 3-4 year to be playing out of their skins at the prospect of finals. 

13 hours ago, Hogan2014 said:

As frustrated as we all are the reality is perhaps we're just not ready ...

The Tigers look like challenging this year after  3--4 yrs of similar performances like ours ... 

I think that is a #Richmondmyth which helps Melbourne supporters feel better.

This table shows there is almost no similarity between our recent performance and Richmonds.

They made finals for 3 years in a row.  In 2016 they collapsed a bit to finish 13th a few spots below us.  They are now sitting 3rd!!  That is a consistent performance which I would dearly love for us.

Not related to your post, some Melbourne supporters like to think we are about the youngest team and least experienced team and conclude our youngsters are getting tired.  Richmond have 7 players with less than 50 games experience who have played nearly every game this year.  They are not showing signs of tiring.

Not sure whether we are ready but Richmond is not a good comparison with us.  I'm sad to say they have been streets ahead of us for years and still are.

27 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I think that is a #Richmondmyth which helps Melbourne supporters feel better.

This table shows there is almost no similarity between our recent performance and Richmonds.

They made finals for 3 years in a row.  In 2016 they collapsed a bit to finish 13th a few spots below us.  They are now sitting 3rd!!  That is a consistent performance which I would dearly love for us.

Not related to your post, some Melbourne supporters like to think we are about the youngest team and least experienced team and conclude our youngsters are getting tired.  Richmond have 7 players with less than 50 games experience who have played nearly every game this year.  They are not showing signs of tiring.

Not sure whether we are ready but Richmond is not a good comparison with us.  I'm sad to say they have been streets ahead of us for years and still are.

I fully agree that Richmond are a bad comparison for us, but we have had a very different season when it comes to the younger players.  The Tigers have had minimal injuries and have been able to either rest their younger players or have them play in less demanding positions.  For us, however, we've had plenty of injuries and have therefore had to rely far more on our younger players.  Petracca and Hunt are a case in point - their last 4-6 weeks have been quiet, and to me that's no coincidence.  Oliver has also had to carry a huge load all year, and the kid is just 19.

 

Just now, Wiseblood said:

I fully agree that Richmond are a bad comparison for us, but we have had a very different season when it comes to the younger players.  The Tigers have had minimal injuries and have been able to either rest their younger players or have them play in less demanding positions.  For us, however, we've had plenty of injuries and have therefore had to rely far more on our younger players.  Petracca and Hunt are a case in point - their last 4-6 weeks have been quiet, and to me that's no coincidence.  Oliver has also had to carry a huge load all year, and the kid is just 19.

Maybe.  But that does not account for the gap in their performance and ours.

My view of Richmond's success with injuries/young players tiring, is they have players with the accurate skills to play a fast flowing game which we don't.  This is less physically demanding on their young players.  Our game plan is based around crash and bash. 

They have also been smarter -  we have lost almost as many games of our hardened players from suspension as we have to injury.  Our suspensions are as much to blame for the pressure on the younger kids as the injuries.  That was entirely in our control.  Poor discipline and leadership.  Tigers have both in spades.

Rich have had injuries to their ruckman and #1 forward and managed to win (as we did).

All in all I just can't agree that injuries and the resultant tiring of young players account for the significant difference in performance by the two teams.

Did anybody see where the lid went?

5 minutes ago, The Reverend said:

Did anybody see where the lid went?

Ive got a spare

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

Ive got a spare

Yeah, my wife said, "Don't throw that away, you'll need it one day!" But I ignored her, didn't I? I wouldn't mind having it back now just in case a miracle happens and I can throw it away again. 

48 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Maybe.  But that does not account for the gap in their performance and ours.

My view of Richmond's success with injuries/young players tiring, is they have players with the accurate skills to play a fast flowing game which we don't.  This is less physically demanding on their young players.  Our game plan is based around crash and bash. 

They have also been smarter -  we have lost almost as many games of our hardened players from suspension as we have to injury.  Our suspensions are as much to blame for the pressure on the younger kids as the injuries.  That was entirely in our control.  Poor discipline and leadership.  Tigers have both in spades.

Rich have had injuries to their ruckman and #1 forward and managed to win (as we did).

All in all I just can't agree that injuries and the resultant tiring of young players account for the significant difference in performance by the two teams.

I wouldn't argue that it's a significant difference, but our kids are being asked to play different roles than theirs.  Players like Rioli and Bolton, for example, are given less physical roles to play or play a less physical brand of football.  Oliver and Petracca, as an example, play a totally different role within our side.  At their age it takes it's toll.

Suspensions have certainly played a part, and something that could have been easily avoided, but the role that our younger players are given has had a factor in the last month.  The beauty of it is that we still have time to turn it around.

money makes the world go round

34 minutes ago, The Reverend said:

Yeah, my wife said, "Don't throw that away, you'll need it one day!" But I ignored her, didn't I? I wouldn't mind having it back now just in case a miracle happens and I can throw it away again. 

I only lifted the lid...

Have lids from past seasons. They all fit. You're welcome to one 

As they say

You can get divorced.

Change careers.

Change your religion.

Change your name.

Even change your sex these days.

But you cant change the team you support.

Damn it: