11 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

I'm glad you acknowledged the fact that i50 was 'delivered poorly' but, it was, in fact, an absolute disgrace 

So TMac must be playing in a different forward line to Watts. Perhaps he is just really really lucky each week. 8 marks and 8 tackles shows he works his butt off regardless of how the team is going ensuring that his poor games are never really that poor.

And that there is exactly right. If you can have it so your poor games aren't complete honkers then you're an elite player. Jack on the other hand 

7 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

So TMac must be playing in a different forward line to Watts. Perhaps he is just really really lucky each week. 8 marks and 8 tackles shows he works his butt off regardless of how the team is going ensuring that his poor games are never really that poor.

Different type of forward

14 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

So TMac must be playing in a different forward line to Watts. Perhaps he is just really really lucky each week. 8 marks and 8 tackles shows he works his butt off regardless of how the team is going ensuring that his poor games are never really that poor.

You realise 6 of those marks were probably taken in defence? Garlett, Pedo, Watts and Tmac kicked a combine total of 3 goals from those inside 50s so I reckon there's more of a story on the entries and the structure. Watts kicked 1 and set up 2 directly. Where's the thread for Pedo or Garlett?

Its basic but get a guy up into the ruck or around the footy and your away - We have got the mix wrong and need to play Wiederman Wattsy Perderson Tmac Maxy and drop a small . Tmac Watts and Wed can all ruck ( weeds timing is natural) Watts Tmac have proven speed and can play attacking wing back roles as well . get these guys involved and on a windy day . 

25 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Different type of forward

Irrelevant. Watts s the only senior player to be poor 3 weeks in a row.

14 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

You realise 6 of those marks were probably taken in defence? Garlett, Pedo, Watts and Tmac kicked a combine total of 3 goals from those inside 50s so I reckon there's more of a story on the entries and the structure. Watts kicked 1 and set up 2 directly. Where's the thread for Pedo or Garlett?

You can't be serious. Garlett kicked 3 last week and 2 the week before after flying interstate and back during the week. Pedo is a back up  and had his 1st game back. Again,  Watts is the only senior player to be poor 3 weeks in a row. 

3 hours ago, dieter said:

T'would seem to me, the whole team needs to find some form, elsewhere or not.

You can't drop the whole team. Stop wriggling. Jack is front of the queue when it comes to names that need to be dropped.

He is playing like someone who believes he will be traded.

1. I called for him to be traded 3 seasons ago.

2. the only reason watts has lasted is because of all of the new coaches we've had over the years thought they could put some aggressiveness in him.

3. So many people on this board have defended Watts for years because they defend all melbourne players but Watts plays such a soft brand of football that it probably has an effect on those around him.

4. Also, IF we play finals football, the intensity of finals footy would make watts even more insignificant than he already is.

People think im harsh on Watts, which I am, but i'm not as harsh on Melksham and Harmes which cop a lot on this board. both these guys crack in every week! 

 

 

15 hours ago, rjay said:

A poorly structured team...

Pedo was ok when Max was out but with him and Tommy Mac forward it doesn't work.

So, the Watts question. He needs to be the relief ruck, it gives him a sense of urgency and has played his best footy playing this way.

Pedersen works as a first choice (out of necessity) break-even ruckman who then becomes an extra midfielder that likes to float forward.

He doesn't work in any other role for mine.

14 hours ago, dimmy said:

 

Would have to agree with these comments. Bit difficult for any of our fwds in the 1st half because we bombed.it in all the time !! No brains in the midfield.

Petracca and Oliver need to kick more .

Petracca & Oliver probably also need teammates who are working harder to create an option to kick to, or more switched on so they are doing it when they should be (not thinking about it when it's too late).

McCartney said it all when he reportedly spoke pregame about players resetting to their default when under stress.

We've seen it consistently with Watts earlier in the season. I think he just needs a recalibration (along with a few others).

The return from injuries of many of our players has not been managed as well as you'd like, maybe due to circumstances.

He`s had 3 really poor games coming back from injury, I think we can all agree on that. 

Talk of him being traded after 3 poor games, however, is just laughable. Drop him sure, but trade him.....you`ve got to be kidding!

His form prior to injury was as good as he`d played in his career.

17 hours ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Yeah he's another one.

I feel Jeff G & JW are  barometers of the quality of ball going into fwd line.  If the ball is just bombed in these  blokes do not get a look in. When we move the ball well Watts is the player who really delivers the ball well and connects well and makes good decisions. (Yes, I do not think he had a good day today and his style does not meet the bash and crash criteria of some but he is the link man and he cannot get the ball when it is 40 feet above his head...

Petracca is still learning but he will become a quality "fwd controller"

JW would get ripped apart in September if we were lucky enough to make it

I thought QB after Half Time, but that was another false dawn

Big Job Goody ahead of you

18 hours ago, Redlagged said:

Yes, I know he's the perennial whipping boy. And I have been a supporter of his for as long as I care to remember. But he has been shocking the last 3 weeks, during a crucial period for the club. It's now 150 games plus. I have no idea of his contract status and situation. He has three more weeks. Either they're very good, or it really is time for him - and the club - to move on.

To be fair you should open a post on Garlett and Pedersen also.  The forwards weren't to blame, the delivery to them is horrible 

27 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

JW would get ripped apart in September if we were lucky enough to make it

I thought QB after Half Time, but that was another false dawn

Big Job Goody ahead of you

Not if our midfield delivered the ball like they should. Melbourne has the lowest scoring efficiency for forward 50 entries in the league. Even Buddy Franklin would hit new lows playing in our forward line. The butchering of the ball is our ultimate downfall.

The blokes out of form, no doubt about it, but do we really need to single him out yet again?  Plenty in our side at the moment who are struggling.  

55 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

JW would get ripped apart in September if we were lucky enough to make it

I thought QB after Half Time, but that was another false dawn

Big Job Goody ahead of you

Would he?  How do you know that?  

29 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

The blokes out of form, no doubt about it, but do we really need to single him out yet again?  Plenty in our side at the moment who are struggling.  

Would he?  How do you know that?  

1 arm tackles don't cut it in September

5 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

1 arm tackles don't cut it in September

Such a predictable answer. 

Give the bloke a chance to play in September before you judge his performance in it. 

13 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Such a predictable answer. 

Give the bloke a chance to play in September before you judge his performance in it. 

With performances like yesterday we won't be playing in September and don't deserve to

19 hours ago, dieter said:

Boys, boys, boys. So quick to judge, so quick to forget the great things he's done this year, so quick to forget he was out injured, quick to point out he's lost some touch, but so has the team. Forwards always cop the brunt of the poor form of the so-called deliverers. What more does Watts have to do to prove to you men of no good will that he has bled for this club, that he's in the trenches fighting for his team?

Not buying it.

Top forwards like Riewoldt of St Kilda go and get the ball from the back line when its not coming in as often as they like.

Our own Jesse Hogan and garlett do it to get into the game.

JW just doesn't want to or can't will himself into a game.

 

Being out of touch is one thing, but you can't defend some of the defensive efforts, especially late in the second quarter.

For those two reasons, he needs to go back to the VFL and get the necessary touch and intensity.

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

With performances like yesterday we won't be playing in September and don't deserve to

Performances we are more than capable of rectifying, not to mention the fact we are still well and truly in the hunt.  It's not as if we're two games adrift.  I know it's not in your genetic makeup to have some faith, but you should try it sometime WYL.  You might like it.

He hasn't taken a clean ball in the games since returned from injury. It's not yesterday game on its own. It may be good for jack to have a break. I'm certain it would be good for MFC. This year he has currency. Just look at the manic contest today between eagles and saints. I can't see jack watts willing himself to stand up in a game like that. Yes he played hard a few times earlier this year but it isn't enough.