Sandringham v Casey Demons

[Drunkn167 5,093]

13 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Keilty has had a very good month of form, in the bests for the third straight week I think.

What position/role is he playing? Give us the rundown plz @Drunkn167

So after training as a Key Defender all pre-season, Dec was kinda thrown into the deep end, having to play a Ruck-Forward role for the majority of the first half of the year. He did alright, but nothing spectacular, all while slowing building up is craft.

For the past month and a half or so he's been primarily thrown back down as a KPD, with stints in the Forward and Ruck when required. I think now that's he is settled into the position he was originally playing when he got drafted, he's really been able to step up to the plate. Yesterday was probably his best game I've ever seen him play. Under constant duress, he stood up time and time again to take a number of crucial marks in defence, run through and get some good rebound 50's and won the majority of his one-on-one contests. 

All game, Weideman had 2, 3 or even 4 defenders on him so in the 3rd quarter Plapp threw Keilty forward to try and relieve the pressure Sam was getting, where he took an impressive contested mark about 20m on a 45 degree angle and slotted the goal.

I think that ability, to be half way through a game and then go and play in a completely different position and then step up to have an impact is exactly what the MFC saw in him last season and a big reason why he was picked up, as a versatile developing player.

But he's recent form has been pretty damn great, he is still pretty sure he needs another pre-season in him before he really starts to get to his best footy, but from what I've seen from the Melbourne Coaching staff is they reward form, and Keilty might just be a chance at a senior game this year if Melbourne need to rest a KPP.

Edit: Also yesterday, because Casey were only down to 2 rotations after the first quarter and a half, he ran himself into the ground. I think it finally clicked with him that kind of work effort is what is required to really make it on the big stage

Edited August 6, 2017 by Drunkn167

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32 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

So after training as a Key Defender all pre-season..........the first quarter and a half, he ran himself into the ground. I think it finally clicked with him that kind of work effort is what is required to really make it on the big stage

You're in a unique position on here and it's a credit to you that you've been balanced in your reports on Dec's performances rather than looking through "bro" coloured glasses. It's good for you (and him) that you can now give him a decent write up. I and I guess many others have appreciated getting your perspective on Casey's efforts this year. Good stuff 

[old55 23,568]

I live near TBO so the Sandringham away game is my best chance to see Casey play.

Some observations.

With a very strong NW blowing diagonally to the Beach Road pocket at the Sautner end, it was a very scrappy contested game with a continuous rolling maul, a lot of turnovers and skill execution was rare.  

Sandringham were well on top for the first 2 and half quarters, their extra men back in the first quarter were very effective outnumbering Casey forwards and intercept marking, Marshall and Pierce are big boys who marked well in windy conditions.  Casey were 4 goals down at half time - 4 goals to 8, and 3 players down - Smith, Spencer and (I think) James Munro - apologies to James if I'm wrong.  

The start of the third quarter Casey failed to get on top and when Sandy kicked their second goal for the quarter half way through it was 6 goals to 10 and looking bleak for Casey.  Dec kicked a goal midway through the quarter, there is really great spirit and belief at Casey and the boys really got around him and kicked the next 3 goals to be a point behind at 3 quarter time - each of these goals was strongly celebrated and that seems to be a team theme.

At 3 quarter time Justin Plapp encouraged the team to write a memorable story and there was general belief among the players (but not me).  The focus was on the "money ball" - I'm not sure what that is, but he mentioned it 4 or 5 times.   I don't blame Earl for leaving at 3 quarter time, it looked like how far the Zebras - I actually moved to the northern end of the ground to enable a quick getaway myself and was able to enjoy the Casey action there in the final quarter.

Sandy seemed to think it was just going to happen and Casey really lifted around the ball.  Mitch King had an influence at the stoppages.  Weid took two strong contested marks and Scott, Fritsch and Ferriera were dangerous around goal when finally matched up 1:1.  Sandy got their noses in front about 20 minutes in but in an incredible effort Casey kicked the final 2 goals to win a great victory.  Plapp really has the team playing with belief, spirit and cohesiveness and it's a great credit to him.

Melbourne listed players:

Gus Brayshaw: Was playing free across a half-back until midway through the 2nd and I thought was ineffective, he didn't get much interception at all but did land one bone crunching tackle on a Sandy player in quarter one.  Went onto the ball midway through the second and immediately got his hands on it.  He was a ball magnet at the stoppages and I expect his handball numbers to be high.  It was hot in the kitchen and he would have gained a lot of confidence concussion-wise from getting through a fierce test.  He's an inside/outside midfielder and half-forward and half-back don't suit him.  If he comes into the MFC side that's where he needs to play to get involved.

Billy Stretch: Got a lot of the ball in the heat and tried to be creative and run the ball up into the wind.  He's a smart player who works hard on his game.

Dec Keilty: As Drunkn said, he played very well, especially intercept marking and contested marking down back and kicked a nice goal when thrown forward to spark the Casey revival.  He's got some ground skills too and is definitely a prospect worth investing in.

JKH: He was very busy at the stoppages and got a lot of the ball.  He's evasive so can get into some space.  He's small so that works against him at AFL level.  It's hard to see him permanently in the midfield but I think he's could play the Neville Jetta role and maybe apprentice there.  I'd keep him on the list because ANB had a similar year last year and has shown improvement.

Ben Kennedy: Also worked hard inside and is genuinely a tough customer.  Kicked a superb long goal at the start of the 3rd from the wrong pocket with the wind and for a left footer.  We need developing depth players but I have JKH ahead of him.

Sam Weideman: It was a very difficult day for marking forwards.  Was manned up against 3 or 4 Saints giants when we had the wind and could not get a run at it in the 1st.  In the 2nd I think it only went inside our 50 once and Fritsch kicked a goal.  Sam was rucking in the back half in this quarter part of the time.  He was better in the 3rd and took a couple of marks and kicked a goal.  In the last he was instrumental in the win when finally 1 out against the Zebra defenders.  He took 2 strong marks, crumbed a Hulett contest to handball off for a nice goal and got a free for holding in a marking contest because he was making the defenders nervous.  He missed that shot but he is generally a beautiful kick with the best action since Garry Lyon.  It was great that he fought on and didn't drop his head and really contributed on what could have been a dirty day for him.

Dion Johnstone: He played in the centre square and wing and got his hands on a few nice clearances.  He's an aggressive player and gave away a 50 at one stage, but I like his hardness.  He's small too but there's some ball finding quality there to work with.

Mich King: Had to shoulder the ruck load when Jake went off injured and struggled up to 3 quarter time.  In the last quarter he too was instrumental in the victory, he got his hands on the tap outs or at least broke even.  Followed up with a crucial centre clearance which were like gold into the wind and also got forward and took a good contested mark.  It's the kind of match that could be the making of his belief.

Jack Trengove: He's a leader and was very good at the quarter time huddles with his guidance and advice.  But I think unfortunately his AFL career is over, he just doesn't have a point of difference.

Joel Smith: Stood on the shoulders of the pack on a kick-in - really right up there like his dad, but landed badly and was in a lot of pain when stretchered off.  Hope he makes a good recovery, he has many AFL attributes - size, speed, courage and leap.  He'll make it.

Liam Hulett:  I was bullish about Liam when he joined us last year but he has struggled.  He played deep forward and really made a contest but was unable to get his hands on it much.  It was tough conditions but unfortunately he seems to lack AFL level class.

Jake Spencer: Went off injured in the 2nd and was in the tracksuit - I'm not sure what the injury was.  Jake needs to be able to dominate the contest against a player like Jason Holmes and he wasn't able to.  I think he'll be at another club next year.

There's no clear elevations to the MFC side that will make a huge difference.  Gus was very good but he needs to play in the guts to excel and I don't see a slot for him there yet .  It will come with Lewis and Vince coming towards the end, or sooner if we have an injury or suspension.  As some have posted, I think he needs more confidence building at Casey.  Billy was very good too and is a class above VFL level, he'll make it as a player but he's not going to make a huge impact at AFL level yet, he just needs to continue to work hard on his game which no doubt he will.  Dec was great but I think he's better playing back and I don't see him forcing his way in there just yet, he can continue to develop and build confidence and really dominate at VFL level.  Weid is the most likely elevation IMO even though he had 3 quiet quarters he has some AFL level chops.

Edited August 6, 2017 by Fifty-5

[DeeZone 9,833]

Thanks KC, drunken167, Fifty-5 and all other posters a great win for Casey, thanks for your feed back always welcomed by us die hard Dee Supporters. Go Casey, Go Dee's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kumamoto_Ken 1,531]

Thanks for the write-ups guys. Very informative for those of us interstate that can't see Casey live or on the telly (when they're shown).

Much appreciated.

[FireInTheBennelly 4,072]

A question for those who were at the game. Did anyone see the injury to Pencil, or was he potentially 'put away' for next week against the Saints? I know it's unlikely, but I haven't been able to find any information on an injury.

[Drunkn167 5,093]

8 minutes ago, FireInTheBelly said:

A question for those who were at the game. Did anyone see the injury to Pencil, or was he potentially 'put away' for next week against the Saints? I know it's unlikely, but I haven't been able to find any information on an injury.

He copped a decent knock to the ribs in a ruck contest. Would've hurt like hell but hopefully it's nothing too serious

[Demonland 72,178]

The stats

 

Angus Brayshaw 1 behind 16 kicks 18 handballs 34 disposals 6 marks 5 tackles 117 dream team points 

Liam Hulett 1 goal 1 behind 6 kicks 6 disposals 2 marks 1 tackles 33 dream team points

Dion Johnstone 1 behind 10 kicks 14 handballs 24 disposals 1 mark 56 dream team points 

Declan Keilty 1 goal 9 kicks 3 handballs 12 disposals 6 marks 3 tackles 66 dream team points 

Ben Kennedy 1 goals 15 kicks 16 handballs 31 disposals 5 marks 4 tackles 109 dream team points

Jay Kennedy-Harris 19 kicks 24 handballs 43 disposals 3 marks 9 tackles 147 dream team points

Mitch King 4 kicks 3 handballs 7 disposals 2 marks 6 tackles 24 hit outs 66 dream team points

Joel Smith 2 kicks 3 handballs 5 disposals 2 marks 18 dream team points [injured]

Jake Spencer 4 hit outs 4 dream team points [injured]

Billy Stretch 1 behind 9 kicks 13 handballs 22 disposals 2 marks 9 tackles 97 dream team points

Jack Trengove 1 behind 8 kicks 16 handballs 24 disposals 1 marks 4 tackles 73 dream team points

Sam Weideman 1 goal 1 behind 5 kicks 4 handballs 9 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 3 hit outs 55 dream team points

 

 

[whatwhat say what 22,749]

those numbers from jkh are ridiculous

[FireInTheBennelly 4,072]

56 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

He copped a decent knock to the ribs in a ruck contest. Would've hurt like hell but hopefully it's nothing too serious

Ok, thanks Drunkn.

[Drunkn167 5,093]

9 hours ago, Demonland said:

The stats

 

Angus Brayshaw 1 behind 16 kicks 18 handballs 34 disposals 6 marks 5 tackles 117 dream team points 

Liam Hulett 1 goal 1 behind 6 kicks 6 disposals 2 marks 1 tackles 33 dream team points

Dion Johnstone 1 behind 10 kicks 14 handballs 24 disposals 1 mark 56 dream team points 

Declan Keilty 1 goal 9 kicks 3 handballs 12 disposals 6 marks 3 tackles 66 dream team points 

Ben Kennedy 1 goals 15 kicks 16 handballs 31 disposals 5 marks 4 tackles 109 dream team points

Jay Kennedy-Harris 19 kicks 24 handballs 43 disposals 3 marks 9 tackles 147 dream team points

Mitch King 4 kicks 3 handballs 7 disposals 2 marks 6 tackles 24 hit outs 66 dream team points

Joel Smith 2 kicks 3 handballs 5 disposals 2 marks 18 dream team points [injured]

Jake Spencer 4 hit outs 4 dream team points [injured]

Billy Stretch 1 behind 9 kicks 13 handballs 22 disposals 2 marks 9 tackles 97 dream team points

Jack Trengove 1 behind 8 kicks 16 handballs 24 disposals 1 marks 4 tackles 73 dream team points

Sam Weideman 1 goal 1 behind 5 kicks 4 handballs 9 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 3 hit outs 55 dream team points

 

 

Man these stats always seem a little dodgy to me. I swear Dec had 7 or 8 disposals in the first quarter alone but finished with only 12!? Yeah nah, I might watch next weeks game with the sole purpose of writing down a couple of players stats and comparing them to what gets released 

[SFebes 4,884]

Keilty is not the answer, yet. Weideman is the future and next in line. I'd rather get games into Weideman than Keilty TBH.

[old55 23,568]

Good news:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-07/demons-season-over-but-ok-news-on-knee

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That's fantastic news, it gives him a season that he would otherwise have missed.  Given he's a player who hasn't come through the normal pathway he needs as much football as he can get.  Missing a season with an ACL would have been dreadful.

Great news in my book.

[Willmoy1947 4,086]

15 hours ago, Drunkn167 said:

He copped a decent knock to the ribs in a ruck contest. Would've hurt like hell but hopefully it's nothing too serious

Any chance Ben Ken to play last game 167?

 

[What 18,810]

38 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

Good news:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-07/demons-season-over-but-ok-news-on-knee

Awesome, he will be cherry ripe for preseason.

Imagine our opponents trying to pass the impenetrable wall of Jake Lever and Joel Smith next season,.... good luck!

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On 05/08/2017 at 0:25 PM, KC from Casey said:

Hi VP. Barry is my old man and he, together with a few old codgers who used to frequent Beach Road Oval, taught me everything I know. 

Unfortunately, although he used to enjoy the odd drink (and there was always a plentiful supply flowing from the social club) his medical condition makes drinking even more hazardous for him than back in the day.

He and my mum, Mavis, reconciled a few years ago (after the accident he had with the lawn mower) and they upped stumps and retired to the Gold Coast where they live in a nice aged care facility not far from the Yatala prison where mum can visit her brothers.

The ground here has lots of memories but it's not like it was in the old days.

Sorry to hear of Barry's situation KC, wish him all the best from me.

As ever, appreciate your efforts as I did your Dad's. 

[Drunkn167 5,093]

4 hours ago, willmoy said:

Any chance Ben Ken to play last game 167?

 

Kenno has been playing some good footy. Pretty surprised he hasn't had any senior games this year. 

Hes a good chance to come into the side I think

[Demonland 72,178]

SECOND WIND by KC from Casey

If embattled Demon coach Simon Goodwin is looking for answers on the vexing question of how his charges should handle windy conditions, he could do worse than consult his colleague Justin Plapp at Casey. 

Plapp's Casey Demons were well and truly under the pump by half time at Trevor Barker Beach Oval on Saturday after Sandringham dominated the opening two quarters, mastering the windy conditions to hold a 28 point lead. Yet it was the visitors who triumphed in the end by 10 points despite the fact that they trailed by a point at the final break with three players already out of the game through injury and facing the prospect of 30 minutes kicking directly in the face of a wicked north wind. 

Early in the game, the Demons struggled to adapt to the windy conditions. They did manage the opening two goals to Bayley Fritsch and James Munro to lead by 13 points a mere six minutes into the game but they were then stopped dead in their tracks by the determined Zebras who played extra men down back, bottled up play in the defensive pockets and turned the game into a scrappy affair making it difficult to score even with the aid of the wind.

A late goal to Angus Scott just before the quarter time siren helped the home side to a 15 point lead but Sandy took little time to whittle away the deficit. They kicked the next six goals before Bayley Fritsch dribbled one through at the 30 minute mark but a goal just before the half time siren gave them a big lead.

Ben Kennedy was quick off the mark early in the third term, followed by one from Liam Hulett but when the Zebras responded with two goals of their own, they still led by 27 points with half the quarter gone.

It was at this point that the entire complexion of the game changed. First, a great pack mark from Declan Keilty in the goal square, followed up with a goal lifted the team spirits and suddenly long, direct kicking for goal became the order of the day. Ben Giobbi, Will Collis and Sam Weideman all kicked long goals and the scores were level. Sandy kicked a late point to lead by a point at the final siren.

The opening two goals of the final quarter were crucial. They went to Scott and Fritsch and Casey now held a two goal lead before Sandringham fought back with two of their own. Despite the fact that the Demons had lost Joel Smith, Jake Spencer and James Munro and their rotations were limited, they dug into their reserves of energy and from that came goals to Scott and Ferreira to sew up a famous 10 point victory. 

Jay Kennedy-Harris' 40 plus possession game was enormous while Angus Brayshaw and Billy Stretch were all class with their ability to find the football. Young ruckman Mitch King was important in the ruck contests while Fritsch and Scott were both damaging around the goals to set up the win.

A win at home next week against the Northern Blues should just about seal another place for Casey

Peter Jackson VFL 2017

Casey Demons 3.3.21 4.3.27 10.7.67 14.9.93

Sandringham 1.0.6 8.7.55 10.8.68 12.11.83 

Goals 

Casey Demons Fritsch Scott 3 Collis Ferreira Giobbi Hulett Keilty Kennedy Munro Weideman 

Sandringham Cook Holmes Lonie Rich 2 Bailey Battle Long Phillips  

Best 

Casey Demons Stretch Brayshaw Keilty Kennedy Kennedy-Harris Fritsch

Sandringham Lonie Long Weickhardt

Statistics
 
Angus Brayshaw 1 behind 16 kicks 18 handballs 34 disposals 6 marks 5 tackles 117 dream team points 
Liam Hulett 1 goal 1 behind 6 kicks 6 disposals 2 marks 1 tackles 33 dream team points
Dion Johnstone 1 behind 10 kicks 14 handballs 24 disposals 1 mark 56 dream team points 
Declan Keilty 1 goal 9 kicks 3 handballs 12 disposals 6 marks 3 tackles 66 dream team points 
Ben Kennedy 1 goals 15 kicks 16 handballs 31 disposals 5 marks 4 tackles 109 dream team points
Jay Kennedy-Harris 19 kicks 24 handballs 43 disposals 3 marks 9 tackles 147 dream team points
Mitch King 4 kicks 3 handballs 7 disposals 2 marks 6 tackles 24 hit outs 66 dream team points
Joel Smith 2 kicks 3 handballs 5 disposals 2 marks 18 dream team points [injured]
Jake Spencer 4 hit outs 4 dream team points [injured]
Billy Stretch 1 behind 9 kicks 13 handballs 22 disposals 2 marks 9 tackles 97 dream team points
Jack Trengove 1 behind 8 kicks 16 handballs 24 disposals 1 marks 4 tackles 73 dream team points
Sam Weideman 1 goal 1 behind 5 kicks 4 handballs 9 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 3 hit outs 55 dream team points

The Development League team booked its finals place in the historic last season of this competition with an emphatic 49-point win over Sandringham. Yillber Zijai impressed with four goals for the Demons.

AFL Vic Development League 2017

Casey Demons 3.3.21 7.9.51 11.10.76 15.14.104

Sandringham 3.2.20 3.2.20 7.5.47 8.7.55

Goals 

Casey Demons Zijai 4 Di Pasquale 3 Briggs Byers Cox Foote Gardiner Hillard Lefau Vander Haar

Sandringham Smith 5 Cathcart Iudica Pavlou

Best 

Casey Demons Zijai Freeman Byers Lovett Di Pasquale Johnston

Sandringham Iudica Verma Hooy Thompson Smith Butler

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

On 06/08/2017 at 7:39 AM, rjay said:

No, you've missed the thrust of your own post 'Dappa' and that's about selecting Brayshaw this week.

I suggest this would not be a great idea and have given examples of other players brought in too early...I think we have for want of a better word panicked at the selection table this season. We haven't shown any faith in our depth players and rushed the "stars" in too early.

The selection of Hannan has nothing to do with selecting Brayshaw. Brayshaw is a known and has shown he can play at the level but given his history he needs time.

Hannan was a left field selection, Brayshaw would be in my mind a dumb selection.

Of course this is just my opinion and the selectors may go with him and he may have a blinder.

Trouble is they can't...Jack has given 1 quarter and struggled since.

Oh for God's sake. Come on rjay, yo're better then this. Are you really going to come on here and tell someone what the thrust of their own post was about? Have we really gotten to that stage? 

I'll spell it out again. I DIDN'T say every selection has been a success. I DIDN'T say playing players too early has been either a positive or a negative. Said nothing about the early playing of players, in fact. There again you've misunderstood completely.

The selection of Hannan has everything to do with Goody's habit of picking guys out of the blue, that noone on here saw coming. I never claimed Brayshaw being selected was the same or even comparable. You did that all by yourself.

Jeez this place is depressing when the experienced posters misuse the quote button. It's not intended as a facility to ignore a poster's thoughts and transmit your own. You can do that without quoting. If you're gonna insist on involving me, then the first thing you have to do is read. THEN respond. Is that good and simple for you? I'm COMPARING Goodwin's strategy of selecting unexpected players... and when he's done THAT (NOT when he's selected unfit players, as you've suggested), I've shown above that it's worked well. Certainly better than conventional "demonland" selection would have you believe.

Sure. You don't want Brayshaw in. Great. Sensational. I don't care. I do want Brayshaw in, as I think it's good for the club and most importantly gets the kid into some pressure footy before the season is out, and takes some pressure off him in terms of his future. I'm NOT too worried about the 22 and making a drastic improvement to the side. I don't think we have too many more shots to fire in terms of selection.

I'm also bemused by the fact that people think he's somehow more at risk playing in the AFL than he is in the VFL. The risk is comparable. If he's in form, and he is, then he should be considered. And if Goody's recent interviews are to be believed, he is being considered. Also factor in that if there's one thing we need it's outside run and decision making. In his first season his footy IQ was great. We could use a bit of that.

 

[rjay 24,921]

8 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Oh for God's sake. Come on rjay, yo're better then this. Are you really going to come on here and tell someone what the thrust of their own post was about? Have we really gotten to that stage? 

I'll spell it out again. I DIDN'T say every selection has been a success. I DIDN'T say playing players too early has been either a positive or a negative. Said nothing about the early playing of players, in fact. There again you've misunderstood completely.

The selection of Hannan has everything to do with Goody's habit of picking guys out of the blue, that noone on here saw coming. I never claimed Brayshaw being selected was the same or even comparable. You did that all by yourself.

Jeez this place is depressing when the experienced posters misuse the quote button. It's not intended as a facility to ignore a poster's thoughts and transmit your own. You can do that without quoting. If you're gonna insist on involving me, then the first thing you have to do is read. THEN respond. Is that good and simple for you? I'm COMPARING Goodwin's strategy of selecting unexpected players... and when he's done THAT (NOT when he's selected unfit players, as you've suggested), I've shown above that it's worked well. Certainly better than conventional "demonland" selection would have you believe.

Sure. You don't want Brayshaw in. Great. Sensational. I don't care. I do want Brayshaw in, as I think it's good for the club and most importantly gets the kid into some pressure footy before the season is out, and takes some pressure off him in terms of his future. I'm NOT too worried about the 22 and making a drastic improvement to the side. I don't think we have too many more shots to fire in terms of selection.

I'm also bemused by the fact that people think he's somehow more at risk playing in the AFL than he is in the VFL. The risk is comparable. If he's in form, and he is, then he should be considered. And if Goody's recent interviews are to be believed, he is being considered. Also factor in that if there's one thing we need it's outside run and decision making. In his first season his footy IQ was great. We could use a bit of that.

 

No mate...all I'm saying is give Brayshaw some time. I don't believe it is a good move to rush him in just yet.

Apart from the concussion issues his form was poor at AFL level early in the season and even on the weekend at Casey according to those at the game it wasn't until he came into the midfield that he fired. Those positions aren't open to him in the senior team.

Like JKH he plays his best football as a mid and neither give us much anywhere else.

All the rest are side issues.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

6 minutes ago, rjay said:

No mate...all I'm saying is give Brayshaw some time. I don't believe it is a good move to rush him in just yet.

Apart from the concussion issues his form was poor at AFL level early in the season and even on the weekend at Casey according to those at the game it wasn't until he came into the midfield that he fired. Those positions aren't open to him in the senior team.

Like JKH he plays his best football as a mid and neither give us much anywhere else.

All the rest are side issues.

No mate. You didn't just say give Brayshaw some time. That's what you're saying NOW. You see the difference?

OK now we're talking... "Apart" from concussion issues... the issues that he's past enough now to be playing and getting 30+ touches at VFL level. If he comes back round 1 next year, or this week... I don't imagine he's going to do any better at the VFL. You can't really.

And yes, his AFL form wasn't too good. Like I say though, neither was JKH, neither was Hannan. Both came in and had an impact (JKH less so). So... getting back to my original point... Brayshaw, this week... would be a left field selection.

I'm not too sure about that. I heard different too, that he was coming off the back line a bit and he cleaned up.

I'm not absolutely convinced we don't need help in the midfield. Against the Giants we were smashed by pace. Saints have that as a strength. Tracca is quick off the mark but his top speed aint too high. I wouldn't mind seeing him play a whole game forward again like he did earlier in the season. Hunt's been up the ground too. Send him back full time so he can find more of the ball again. I think we can squeeze him in. A lot depends on what they do with Maynard as well. I feel like he's earned a second week, but boy we've got a lot of in and unders playing as in and unders. 

[rjay 24,921]

8 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

No mate. You didn't just say give Brayshaw some time. That's what you're saying NOW. You see the difference?

 

On 05/08/2017 at 10:00 PM, rjay said:

 

 

It's about time rational thinking held up...

...and no they usually haven't worked. Hogan struggled, Max has struggled, Smith struggled, JKH was not up to it & anyone with an once of insight can see that Viney has no power in his foot at the moment and is struggling.

Leave Brayshaw at Casey for another game or 2 and if he holds his form & we look a chance at finals then maybe bring him back for the last game...maybe.

Look back to the start of this season & Brayshaw struggled, really struggled. He needs more time, we've rushed too many back into the AFL team too early.

Um...the thrust of all that I was saying is give Brayshaw some time...

[Drunkn167 5,093]

Highlights of the game-

https://youtu.be/82cl2Oe_cQQ

[old55 23,568]

Justin Plapp's match report:

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2017-08-10/vfl-player-review-round-16