So I can't see this tackling situation playing out any other way than the rules are changed in the offseason so that players are penalised for bringing a player to ground. Hold a player up in the tackle but pin their arms. Then the umpires can/should play more illegal disposals. I also think the ball will spill free more often which will be better for the spectacle anyway.

We can't keep the current system where a player gets a holding the ball free kick on Sunday and 2 weeks on Monday. That's too difficult to understand.

Am I missing something in my over simplification of this?

there is difference between tackling a player and bringing him to ground versus driving him into the ground especially with his arms pinned.

and lets not kid ourselves, there are players still around who deliberately try to hurt a player 

and many supporters still romanticise the notion of physically putting a player out of the game

grundy did more than just bring a player to ground, there was a definite 2nd action where he increased the force and drove him into the turf

9 hours ago, daisycutter said:

there is difference between tackling a player and bringing him to ground versus driving him into the ground especially with his arms pinned.

and lets not kid ourselves, there are players still around who deliberately try to hurt a player 

and many supporters still romanticise the notion of physically putting a player out of the game

grundy did more than just bring a player to ground, there was a definite 2nd action where he increased the force and drove him into the turf

And then there's the tackles where players fall into an oppositions back or drive them forward in a tackle which has resulted in numerous shoulder injuries - two of our own this year in Smith and Kent.

Can't even get a free kick from those, just part of the game.

Ed: and Grundy's second action was a byproduct of Brown trying to stand up in the tackle. He had to increase his effort to execute the tackle.

Edited August 7, 20177 yr by McQueen

25 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Perhaps the one that has claimed a some big scalps this year:  Lewis, Hogan, Houli, Dangerfield, Merrett and I think one or two others. 

Consolation:  that Karma comes their way before too long!  A few years stuck in the middle of the ladder would do nicely

 

20 hours ago, Gipsy Danger said:

It's not Melbourne but Collingwood need to desperately appeal the Brody Grundy suspension for the sake of the game as we know it.

obviously yes protecting the head is important and we all know about the importance of the concussion issue but... 

Grundys tackle was exactly how players have been taught to tackle forever. Pin the arms bring him to ground win the free.

suspending grundy because browns head hit the dirt is a joke.  We're at the point now where players won't be able to tackle out of fear of the tackled player getting hurt and the tackler getting rubbed out.

suspensions should only be handed out for deliberate aggressive acts outside the rules of the game. Not for accidental football incident injuries. It's a contact sport and players will get hurt. They all know and accept the risks.

the afl need to decide if the sport is going to remain a contact sport and sort out the mrp to acknowledge and accept injuries can happen in fair football incidents.

by all means rub out the blokes who punch, deliberately bump, trip, chicken wing, headlock, slander and just downright ignore the rules of the game but don't go after players who play fair and within the rules just because someone got hurt.

I 100% agree with this.

The MRP is farcical and their decisions are so inconsistent it isn't even funny any longer.

Why is it that Grundy tackles Brown, who is knocked out accidentally, and he cops 2 weeks.

Then Reiwoldt falls into the back of J Smith, who's shoulder is dislocated, and that is just play on?

They are basically saying you can do the same thing, one you break their leg, the other they are knocked out, and that determines the result of your sanction.

The system is broken and needs to change.

The other thing is that the game goes so fast you can't just tell a player to tackle but not pin both arms. That's just ridiculous.

14 hours ago, layzie said:

The other thing is that the game goes so fast you can't just tell a player to tackle but not pin both arms. That's just ridiculous.

pinning the arms is fine, no need to change. driving a player with force into the turf is not fine

7 hours ago, daisycutter said:

pinning the arms is fine, no need to change. driving a player with force into the turf is not fine

Logically that makes sense. I think the MRP just worries that if both arms are pinned the player being tackled can't break their fall.

A little unsure about the driving force thing though because surely not all of these injuries are from deliberate slings. 

2 hours ago, layzie said:

Logically that makes sense. I think the MRP just worries that if both arms are pinned the player being tackled can't break their fall.

A little unsure about the driving force thing though because surely not all of these injuries are from deliberate slings. 

doesn't have to be a 'sling', that is just one method of force. watch grundy, he was already bringing him to ground when he had a second effort and increased his force at a time brown was defenceless resulting in the concussion. the question of brown maybe attempting to kick the ball is irrelevant, even if he was aware of it which i doubt. i don't believe the damage was incidental/accidental because of the undue force, even if it was a split second decision (as was bugg;s). there is too many players having their heads slammed into the turf

How TF does Ollie Wines get off for an elbow to the head??

And Toby Greene. Fined for shoving a boot into the face of Dalhaus.

They really are brazen and deplorable at the MRP

7 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

How TF does Ollie Wines get off for an elbow to the head??

I agree. If Langdon had stayed down concussed Wines would have gotten 4 weeks. Jumped off the ground, chose to bump when he had other options, and was very, very late.

I hate how much the 'chance' of an injury is playing into decision making. It means the action isn't being outlawed, and it's what makes the MRP look irrational.

ollie should go and buy a tattslotto ticket whilst his luck holds

12 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

How TF does Ollie Wines get off for an elbow to the head??

And Toby Greene. Fined for shoving a boot into the face of Dalhaus.

They really are brazen and deplorable at the MRP

wines is a brownlow shot, clearly

nothing in the greene boot to the face for mine

Wines is as lucky as Melksham was.

mrp lottery

At first I thought the Greene one was horrific. I still think its slightly careless, I don't feel its necessary to fully extend the leg like a ballerina to protect yourself but the free kick was probably all that was needed.

5 minutes ago, layzie said:

At first I thought the Greene one was horrific. I still think its slightly careless, I don't feel its necessary to fully extend the leg like a ballerina to protect yourself but the free kick was probably all that was needed.

Players are protected from front on contact though so this was pretty bad in my view.

18 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Players are protected from front on contact though so this was pretty bad in my view.

Well yeah that is true and I find it kind of weird how few people in the media are talking about that. 

anyone hear about salem and his hit?

8 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

anyone hear about salem and his hit?

two weeks down to one with a guilty plea

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

Wines is as lucky as Melksham was.

mrp lottery

Totally agree there, what a joke.

FFS Wines is lucky. Deserved min 2 weeks. 

2 hours ago, DemonAndrew said:

nothing in the greene boot to the face for mine

Have to disagree on that. The potential for major damage to the face from a straightening (let's call it just short of a kick) leg, studs out, should have meant Greene with his record, sitting out a minimum of 2 to 3 weeks. I may be wrong, but in soccer if a player tackles studs out, isn't it an instant red card, which I assume means a holiday for at least the following week?... why should it be any different in the AFL?

5 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Have to disagree on that. The potential for major damage to the face from a straightening (let's call it just short of a kick) leg, studs out, should have meant Greene with his record, sitting out a minimum of 2 to 3 weeks. I may be wrong, but in soccer if a player tackles studs out, isn't it an instant red card, which I assume means a holiday for at least the following week?... why should it be any different in the AFL?

Can't work it out either.   It was a high fend off which was reckless and caused injury.

 

Toby Greene's action was deliberate and outside of the rules. I reckon it was two weeks, he is a nasty dirty player. He is skilful enough he knew exactly what he was doing. Maybe people need to be coached on how to play this leg out tactic. A bit of lateral pressure to the knee from a fist would be fair, might make Greene think twice.

As I am still scarred by the 2000 GF, if we play GWS in the finals we smash him off the 1st bounce legal or not legal. I know this is a terrible thing to say but I truly think Greene is a dog of the 1st order. He is as lethal as Mitchell, Lewis Hodge have ever been.

Wines, a bit cheap, needed a week.