Andrew Leoncelli - Hero

[daisycutter 28,663]

7 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Yep, this has all been caused by Christine Nixon.

and rob hulls......and jack watts (for good measure)

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

1 minute ago, Biffen said:

As a law enforcement body we have a brilliant revenue collection service but not very good protection from crims.

That was my point.

Police are more likely to be collecting money than stopping crime.

Is that clear?

They even have a corporate relations sector!!

And God forbid, they have a HR section as well.  Absolute bulltish Biff.  You do the good men and women of the service a gross injustice.  As I said, the issues which currently exist within society, go beyond mere law enforcement

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

Just now, daisycutter said:

and rob hulls......and jack watts (for good measure)

Nope all started with Diamond Jim Tilbrook

[Biffen 12,398]

33 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

That is a societal problem, not a law enforcement issue alone.  As for doing 43 in a 40 zone?  There is a very simple solution to that; don't do it.  Problem solved.  Have to say though, interesting how you conflate a traffic offence with endemic social issues.

Interesting that you can only give the smug police retort of "don't do it" in relation to pi55 taking fines.

Then you pass off ice as a societal issue,police and govt run a massive DV campaign based on a death caused by non policing of an avo.

Far too much crapola about community attitude,thought campaigns,safety,ethnic tolerance ,driving slowly and not much actual stopping serious crime.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

10 minutes ago, Biffen said:

Interesting that you can only give the smug police retort of "don't do it" in relation to pi55 taking fines.

Then you pass off ice as a societal issue,police and govt run a massive DV campaign based on a death caused by non policing of an avo.

Far too much crapola about community attitude,thought campaigns,safety,ethnic tolerance ,driving slowly and not much actual stopping serious crime.

Of course Biff, it is all down to the do-gooder, tree hugging, PC, leftie loonies among us.  See ya later.

[Diamond_Jim 11,968]

11 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Nope all started with Diamond Jim Tilbrook

not my fault mate..... I blame Sir Robert Peel and his Peelers !!

[Biffen 12,398]

3 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Of course Biff, it is all down to the do-gooder, tree hugging, PC, leftie loonies among us.  See ya later.

No- just bad policing covered by spin.

[binman 39,003]

1 hour ago, iv'a worn smith said:

And God forbid, they have a HR section as well.  Absolute bulltish Biff.  You do the good men and women of the service a gross injustice.  As I said, the issues which currently exist within society, go beyond mere law enforcement

And as Ashton has so reasonably said on any number of occasion you can't address societies issues through arrests.

A great example of the problem of the 'law and order agenda' and 'get tough on crime' platitudes is the failure of this government to make the correct policy choice and trial (or god forbid just implement it without a trial, given the evidence of efficacy is crystal clear) a safe injecting facility in Richmond. They are too frighted to be seen as weak on crime so instead leave it up to the police,  paramedics, health services and local residents to deal with the problem of people shooting up in the alleyways and dying in their neighborhood. 

In the 1990s Victoria became one of the first jurisdictions in the world to provide clean and free needles to injecting drug users. Why? Because it was good policy. Leaving aside the moral argument about a communities responsibility to keep its citizens healthy and saving lives it made economic sense. It stopped the spread of HIV in its tracks and dramatically slashed the number of people with Hep C. Both of these diseases are incredibly expensive to treat. In the intervening two decades or so that decision has saved Victoria billions in health care. And for this reason the Needle Exchange model has been adopted in all states and territories in Australia and in hundred of cities around the world, even in many US cities.

It is crazy to think that if proposed now the Needle Exchange program would likely not get up for the same reason that the safe injecting room is not being supported - it is might be seen as not tough on crime and legitmising drug use. Crazy stuff. As an example of the craziness not one government in Australia, labor or Liberal would roll these needle exchange programs back now. To do so would cost them way to much money in increased health costs.  

Edited June 2, 2017 by binman

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

4 minutes ago, Biffen said:

No- just bad policing covered by spin.

Biff for Chief Commissioner

[ding 5,126]

Poor bastards cant take a trick.

I seriously feel for the average copper who has to confront the sh1tbags of society on a day to day basis, only to have complaints filed against them for offending some poor druggie. Seriously, who would wanna be one nowdays when the force had gone from upholding the law to upholding the peace. Command seems FAR more concerned with using wet lettuce leaves when the bloke actually confronting society's dirt would love to pull out his/her batton and smash some of these crims around the head. 

Remember the pics of rows of coppers standing still while having water and (probably) urine thrown over them during the G-something-or-other meeting in Victoria a while back? I would have lost my shyt at management for allowing that to happen. What a great way to destroy your employees morale and confidence in the bosses.

Lets also remember how the front line guys at the Lindt seige fully expected to be blown to bits when they stormed the place but still went in without hesitation when upper management FINALLY got the message that softly-softly wasnt working. Leadership (including the wigs) need a clean out, and a serious rethink of how the law is enforced. 

Until i know what rules the guys were shackled with, i woulnt be criticising anyone involved in this incident.

End rant.

[binman 39,003]

36 minutes ago, ding said:

Poor bastards cant take a trick.

I seriously feel for the average copper who has to confront the sh1tbags of society on a day to day basis, only to have complaints filed against them for offending some poor druggie. Seriously, who would wanna be one nowdays when the force had gone from upholding the law to upholding the peace. Command seems FAR more concerned with using wet lettuce leaves when the bloke actually confronting society's dirt would love to pull out his/her batton and smash some of these crims around the head. 

Remember the pics of rows of coppers standing still while having water and (probably) urine thrown over them during the G-something-or-other meeting in Victoria a while back? I would have lost my shyt at management for allowing that to happen. What a great way to destroy your employees morale and confidence in the bosses.

Lets also remember how the front line guys at the Lindt seige fully expected to be blown to bits when they stormed the place but still went in without hesitation when upper management FINALLY got the message that softly-softly wasnt working. Leadership (including the wigs) need a clean out, and a serious rethink of how the law is enforced. 

Until i know what rules the guys were shackled with, i woulnt be criticising anyone involved in this incident.

End rant.

Are you a real person?

[Mydee 288]

Couldn't one of the moderators move this thread to the non football one or perhaps even close it off.

The thread  was originally written to praise Leoncelli's absolute bravery, and anyone who has seen him play would have expected nothing less.

It has now degenerated into two camps, one lauding our gallant boys in blue and the other thinking that their efforts were reminiscent of the Keystone cops. Both sides seem to be equally ignorant and immoderate.

As in all these cases there no doubt, will be an inquiry into how well  the police conducted themselves as well as the trial of the person who put so many lives at risk.

I hate to be seen as pro censorship but the bravery of Andrew, in particular,  and also the other passengers seems to have been forgotten by people with axes to grind.

[ding 5,126]

9 minutes ago, binman said:

Are you a real person?

Needle exchange programs are only that in name.. I work at a hospital and can tell you that we have not had a single needle exchanged in 2 years. Filthy users drop them where they use them and just come back for fresh supplies. Great for their health, but stuff the innocents who come across the used ones hey?

Edited June 2, 2017 by ding

[Phadraig 760]

The general consensus on cops in Australia stopped me from wanting to be one, a lot of peoples thoughts about them is just gross

[monoccular 16,328]

10 hours ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Nope all started with Diamond Jim Tilbrook

Further back - Dr Don Duffy started it all

[daisycutter 28,663]

1 hour ago, Rafiki said:

The general consensus on cops in Australia stopped me from wanting to be one, a lot of peoples thoughts about them is just gross

what? you can read posters thoughts now? and anyway i haven't seen evidence here of gross comments about cops. quite the contrary. the comments you were referring to presumably were identifiably aimed at the command structure and political overlords. 

[Sir Why You Little 34,765]

42 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

what? you can read posters thoughts now? and anyway i haven't seen evidence here of gross comments about cops. quite the contrary. the comments you were referring to presumably were identifiably aimed at the command structure and political overlords. 

Exactly. I have great respect for the Police

the over lords upstairs are in the spotlight. 

[Phadraig 760]

48 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

what? you can read posters thoughts now? and anyway i haven't seen evidence here of gross comments about cops. quite the contrary. the comments you were referring to presumably were identifiably aimed at the command structure and political overlords. 

Wasnt talking about on here, people have a terrible attitude towards cops among my age group

[daisycutter 28,663]

17 minutes ago, Rafiki said:

Wasnt talking about on here, people have a terrible attitude towards cops among my age group

ok, no probs