23 hours ago, A F said:

We don't have time to wait for Oscar to develop into a powerful player.

Correct, so the presence of May in the mix of Jetta, HIbberd, Frost, Lever, Salem et al will be crucial for 2019/20.

12 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

So you don't think clubs refrain from giving votes to players rumoured to be leaving? I'll agree to disagree and leave it there.

At the end of of the day (or Wednesday, as it is) the actual pick matters little to our trade objectives. If we get 5 as part of the Hogan trade and then use that to get May, we are a significantly better balanced team. IMO we are closer to a flag in 2019 with May than with Hogan, and I rate Hogan highly.

Apart from Lever there is no evidence of it, Kelly, Sloane, Martin all polled well.

May needs a very big pre-season. His best footy was quite some time ago. Does May in, Hogan out make us better, I'm not sure. Pick 5 can be used on a much better player, value for money as with all investing. For eg, I'd rather Harris Andrews with a pick 5 than I would Steven May.

3 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Apart from Lever there is no evidence of it, Kelly, Sloane, Martin all polled well.

May needs a very big pre-season. His best footy was quite some time ago. Does May in, Hogan out make us better, I'm not sure. Pick 5 can be used on a much better player, value for money as with all investing. For eg, I'd rather Harris Andrews with a pick 5 than I would Steven May.

May just needs a new home...one with prospects.....us

 

just throwing this up...as it is the want of trading..  Do we actually know, should we indeed proceed to garnering pick 5 that it's just a straight swap...5 for May ?

I ask this because no where ( to my knowledge ) has the club actually said that. What it has said is we wont be able to do the trade for May. The many seem to just assume  thats all there is to it.. Id be thinking theres some sort of packaging and change or something else.

I dont think we pay 5 for May...but it's necessary in the deal. 

9 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

just throwing this up...as it is the want of trading..  Do we actually know, should we indeed proceed to garnering pick 5 that it's just a straight swap...5 for May ?

I ask this because no where ( to my knowledge ) has the club actually said that. What it has said is we wont be able to do the trade for May. The many seem to just assume  thats all there is to it.. Id be thinking theres some sort of packaging and change or something else.

I dont think we pay 5 for May...but it's necessary in the deal. 

for 5 i'd be expecting something extra to be coming back

Just now, daisycutter said:

for 5 i'd be expecting something extra to be coming back

well as 55 alludes ( i think ) as The KK deal isnt done yet  then maybe its part of this particular equation ?

by this the only part i can put a handle on are   5 out......May and KK in.... there may or may not be ( npi ) extras one way , both ways whatever.. to that scenario.

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

well as 55 alludes ( i think ) as The KK deal isnt done yet  then maybe its part of this particular equation ?

by this the only part i can put a handle on are   5 out......May and KK in.... there may or may not be ( npi ) extras one way , both ways whatever.. to that scenario.

want more than sm + kk for 5, bub. may not worth 5 and kk will go for small change

36 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

want more than sm + kk for 5, bub. may not worth 5 and kk will go for small change

hence my thinking there's other things exchanged 

If we get pick 5 I'd hope we'd look at doing what someone else suggested earlier.

5 + ?? to Adelaide, who want to get ahead of PA in draft order 

8 & 14(?) to us

Give 8 + ?? to GC for May/KK

Take 14 to draft

On 10/10/2018 at 7:11 AM, beelzebub said:

 

Let's work on the basis that the Hogan trade does not happen. Could we offer next year's first round pick for Kade K and Stephen May. I think it would be enough. 

Edited October 15, 20186 yr by Thehardtackler

They'd need more than pick 18....  ?

3 minutes ago, JTR said:

They'd need more than pick 18....  ?

Next years 1st rounder (16-18) and our 2nd rounder this year (32) for May

Can’t beleive we would offer up a top 5 pick for a guy who didn’t finish in GC BnF top 10 last year, and only finished 9th this year.

How does Collingwood satisfy GC if they were to secure May??

1 minute ago, Vineytime said:

How does Collingwood satisfy GC if they were to secure May??

 

They can't and won't.

1 hour ago, olisik said:

Can’t beleive we would offer up a top 5 pick for a guy who didn’t finish in GC BnF top 10 last year, and only finished 9th this year.

In fairness I think he missed a fair few games the year before and also this year.  The bloke is a gun, he is worth every bit of pick 5.

3 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

In fairness I think he missed a fair few games the year before and also this year.  The bloke is a gun, he is worth every bit of pick 5.

not really, pretty consistent no. games last 5 years

• 2013 17
• 2014 19
• 2015 18 
• 2016 17
• 2017 18
• 2018 17

19 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

not really, pretty consistent no. games last 5 years

• 2013 17
• 2014 19
• 2015 18 
• 2016 17
• 2017 18
• 2018 17

If May is available for a full finals campaign, he will be worth the chase.

Unleash May, vandenBerg, Viney, Preuss and our midfield in a Grand Final, and St Johns will need extra staff.

 

 

 

Edited October 15, 20186 yr by faultydet

Would pick 8 get May? Pick 8 and a future 2nd round?

I would love to give pick 5 and 23 to Adelaide for 8 and 13?

Anyone got the numbers as to how many goals he has had kicked on him? Honestly doubt it would be much less then Omac has had kicked on him.

Cannot see a 195cm slow backman beating the Danihers, Browns, Riewoldt which is where we have issues...

Would even prefer to take Patton and slap him back there

14 minutes ago, olisik said:

Anyone got the numbers as to how many goals he has had kicked on him? Honestly doubt it would be much less then Omac has had kicked on him.

Cannot see a 195cm slow backman beating the Danihers, Browns, Riewoldt which is where we have issues...

Would even prefer to take Patton and slap him back there

You genuinely have no idea.

Well done.

8 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

You genuinely have no idea.

Well done.

How many were kicked on Omac this year?

50 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

You genuinely have no idea.

Well done.

How many were kicked on May this year?

1 hour ago, deanox said:

How many were kicked on Omac this year?

 

33 minutes ago, olisik said:

How many were kicked on May this year?

This isn't the complete answer to my question but it's a start.

The following key forwards, who May might play on, have kicked goals on us this year:

R1: Menzel 4.2, 

R2: n/a

R3: Brown 4.1, Waite 3.1

R4: Roughhead 3.1, O'Brien 3.0

R5: Reiwoldt 2.2

R6: Stringer 3.3

R7: n/a

R8: Day 2.2

R9: McKay 2.1

R10: n/a

R11: n/a

R12: Cox 5.1

R13: bye

R14: Westhoff 2.1

R15: McCartin 2.3, Battle 1.2

R16: Cox 2.0

R17: Schache 2.2

R18: Hawkins 7.0

R19: n/a

R20: n/a

R21: Franklin 2.5

R22: Vardy 1.1 

R23: Cameron 1.4

 

Other than Franklin, Hawkins and Cox, no one got off the leash. Hawkins was a result of the midfield. Cox only kicked one goal on OMac, the others were on Gawn, Pedo and Smith. I can't remember who played on Franklin. 

Add better midfield pressure and that improves again. Add Lever back as an interceptor and it helps further. 

Would May have made that much a difference this year?