Jump to content

Featured Replies

18 hours ago, DemonLad5 said:

Mahoney actually said this morning that pick 10 and a FUTURE 2nd round pick was what he thought was more than fair for Lever.

Now we're getting close.

Me being, well , me , would want their future 3rd back as well.

Mahoney is pretty well on the money. Has been on many occasions. A shrewd haggler ;)

 

Jake's dad reads this page, I hope everyone is respectful to Jake and embraces him with open arms. He is going to be 10-12 year back-line general and leader for our back-line. From what I've seen, he'll leave no stone unturned and never give in.

Edited by SFebey

3 minutes ago, SFebey said:

Jake's dad read this page, I hope everyone is respectful to Jake and embraces him with open arms. He is going to be 10-12 year back-line general and leader for our back-line. From what I've seen, he'll leave no stone unturned and never give in.

If he does, I expect he'll be very proud of his son.

99.999% of posters here are absolutely over the moon that he's nominated this club.

 

 
Just now, Ron Burgundy said:

If he does, I expect he'll be very proud of his son.

99.999% of posters here are absolutely over the moon that he's nominated this club.

 

I feel sorry for him if he was treated like crap by the crows players, everyone deserves better than that and they should have supported him anyway.


21 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

If he does, I expect he'll be very proud of his son.

99.999% of posters here are absolutely over the moon that he's nominated this club.

 

I think you should out the other 0.001% of posters

48 minutes ago, Bimbo said:

I think you should out the other 0.001% of posters

I'm trying to eradicate the alphabet avatars.

Image result for BIMBO

1 hour ago, SFebey said:

I feel sorry for him if he was treated like crap by the crows players, everyone deserves better than that and they should have supported him anyway.

Image result for feebee

 
1 hour ago, SFebey said:

Jake's dad reads this page, I hope everyone is respectful to Jake and embraces him with open arms. He is going to be 10-12 year back-line general and leader for our back-line. From what I've seen, he'll leave no stone unturned and never give in.

Well a lot of people are talking him up. Better perform as Watts may not be around to deflect the angst. Dawes copped it and was on similar money if the masses are/were correct. If I had a kid playing afl I sure as shite wouldn't be on a fan forum. We Cray Cray! 


Just now, Gorgoroth said:

Well a lot of people are talking him up. Better perform as Watts may not be around to deflect the angst. Dawes copped it and was on similar money if the masses are/were correct. If I had a kid playing afl I sure as shite wouldn't be on a fan forum. We Cray Cray! 

We still have Oscar so Jake will be fine!

We can't rely on Oscar down back forever. It's in the McDonald genes to roam forward eventually.

I think he's right that players should try to maximise their wage whilst also understanding quality of life is important, as is family, as is injury management, as is development etc. The most money up front isn't always the smartest money.

Same with his take on loyalty. AFL clubs can be very loyal in terms of caring for players post career, looking after families, taking the high road defending players. Loyalty is a key part of business - when you treat people right as a business they keep coming back. Players who do their best for clubs will be rewarded with longer deals, clubs who do their best for players will often see those players happy to stay. He's spot on about when players have no value they'll be moved on, I think it's overplayed as a modern concept, that's been happening in footy for decades.

 

 

On the Lever money issue I think if he plays like a 750k player there won't be any issues. That's every chance of happening.

Prestia was bought to Richmond on big money and people weren't happy mid way through the year but after a solid end to the year and obviously the team success no one is questioning it now.


8 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I think he's right that players should try to maximise their wage whilst also understanding quality of life is important, as is family, as is injury management, as is development etc. The most money up front isn't always the smartest money.

Same with his take on loyalty. AFL clubs can be very loyal in terms of caring for players post career, looking after families, taking the high road defending players. Loyalty is a key part of business - when you treat people right as a business they keep coming back. Players who do their best for clubs will be rewarded with longer deals, clubs who do their best for players will often see those players happy to stay. He's spot on about when players have no value they'll be moved on, I think it's overplayed as a modern concept, that's been happening in footy for decades.

 

 

Oh I don’t know, Jones collected pay cheques for years when he was with Melbourne and was of no value.

Edited by Gorgoroth

7 hours ago, deebug said:

Yer what can you do? Back then he was 12 years old and loved ST, we still have the dog his 17 years old now and still going strong. My son even taught him how to mark a footy and he can also kick a round ball.

 

v

Sounds like the dog could have been handy in the Chris Dawes household.

8 minutes ago, leucopogon said:

Sounds like the dog could have been handy in the Chris Dawes household.

;)

7 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Oh I don’t know, Jones collected pay cheques for years when he was with Melbourne and was of no value.

Seems to me that if you are regarded as good player you are well compensated. If you are perceived with deficiencies, clubs as you would expect, are constantly on about improving the list and you may become  involved with this.

I am also unaware of a completely  happy, pleasant way of  facilitating player movement on all occasions.

Every Melbourne supporter wanted Watts to be a Carey, Pavlich type gun player. ( Every coach pre Goodwin too I suspect)

Instead he  became an okish player over a lengthy period IMO . Good some days , ordinary others ( some when we were really needing him to show up).

Over the top emotion on list management and financial club  mismanagement can wreck clubs. We should understand this better than most.

 I'm happy to support Goodwin, he improved us 20% in his first season.

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Dockett 32 said:

 I'm happy to support Goodwin, he improved us 20% in his first season.

 

 

 

I'm not criticising Goodwin, but you could easily put that 20% down to the recrutiment and development in the previous years.


As much as i liked Goodwins adaptability in games, i often found our initial game plans didn't work and he was forced to change it. When we got going we played well, but we had troubles being consistent all year. I hope it's just a personnel issue and that another pre season with the current team and hopefully Lever as an addition we can move forward.

Edited by MurDoc516

10 minutes ago, sue said:

I'm not criticising Goodwin, but you could easily put that 20% down to the recrutiment and development in the previous years.

Agreed, natural progression too

2 minutes ago, Travis16 said:

Agreed, natural progression too

I see that differently and pretty much semantics.

Goodwin was the conductor of the Orchestra this year and excluding making the finals met expectations.

Where we finished is where we finished. The Coach was Goodwin.

As an aside I suspect the not making the finals might burn in this very competitive beasts, guts and may have a little to do with this thread.

I don't necessarily have a problem with that either

 

Same here. He's done alright to bring in the ex bombers duo but not convinced he is a master coach yet and getting the best out of players. Has time to prove himself.

Our list is good enough to be a finals team and we missed out. Some more good recruiting and we should be challenging for top 4-6.

Watts is made scapegoat but other senior players underperformed too such as Gawn, Garlett was missing in crucial times, Jones output wasn't his usual high standard when he came back too.

4 minutes ago, Dockett 32 said:

I see that differently and pretty much semantics.

Goodwin was the conductor of the Orchestra this year and excluding making the finals met expectations.

Where we finished is where we finished. The Coach was Goodwin.

As an aside I suspect the not making the finals might burn in this very competitive beasts, guts and may have a little to do with this thread.

I don't necessarily have a problem with that either

You don't think a talented young list has natural progression?  Would be pretty difficult for any coach to hinder that, except maybe Mark Neeld....


Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

Featured Content

  • REPORT: St. Kilda

    Hands up if you thought, like me, at half-time in yesterday’s game at TIO Traeger Park, Alice Springs that Melbourne’s disposal around the ground and, in particular, its kicking inaccuracy in front of the goals couldn’t get any worse. Well, it did. And what’s even more damning for the Melbourne Football Club is that the game against St Kilda and its resurgence from the bottomless pit of its miserable start to the season wasn’t just lost through poor conversion for goal but rather in the 15 minutes when the entire team went into a slumber and was mugged by the out-of-form Saints. Their six goals two behinds (one goal less than the Demons managed for the whole game) weaved a path of destruction from which they were unable to recover. Ross Lyon’s astute use of pressure to contain the situation once they had asserted their grip on the game, and Melbourne’s self-destructive wastefulness, assured that outcome. The old adage about the insanity of repeatedly doing something and expecting a different result, was out there. Two years ago, the score line in Melbourne’s loss to the Giants at this same ground was 5 goals 15 behinds - a ratio of one goal per four scoring shots - was perfectly replicated with yesterday’s 7 goals 21 behinds. 
    This has been going on for a while and opens up a number of questions. I’ll put forward a few that come to mind from this performance. The obvious first question is whether the club can find a suitable coach to instruct players on proper kicking techniques or is this a skill that can no longer be developed at this stage of the development of our playing group? Another concern is the team's ability to counter an opponent's dominance during a run on as exemplified by the Saints in the first quarter. Did the Demons underestimate their opponents, considering St Kilda's goals during this period were scored by relatively unknown forwards? Furthermore, given the modest attendance of 6,721 at TIO Traeger Park and the team's poor past performances at this venue, is it prudent to prioritize financial gain over potentially sacrificing valuable premiership points by relinquishing home ground advantage, notwithstanding the cultural significance of the team's connection to the Red Centre? 

      • Thanks
    • 4 replies
  • PREGAME: Collingwood

    After a disappointing loss in Alice Springs the Demons return to the MCG to take on the Magpies in the annual King's Birthday Big Freeze for MND game. Who comes in and who goes out?

      • Thanks
    • 140 replies
  • PODCAST: St. Kilda

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 2nd June @ 8:00pm. Join Binman, George & I as we have a chat with former Demon ruckman Jeff White about his YouTube channel First Use where he dissects ruck setups and contests. We'll then discuss the Dees disappointing loss to the Saints in Alice Springs.
    Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show.
    Listen LIVE: https://demonland.com/

      • Thanks
    • 39 replies
  • POSTGAME: St. Kilda

    After kicking the first goal of the match the Demons were always playing catch up against the Saints in Alice Spring and could never make the most of their inside 50 entries to wrestle back the lead.

      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 318 replies
  • VOTES: St. Kilda

    Max Gawn still has a massive lead in the Demonland Player of the Year award as Christian Petracca, Jake Bowey, Clayton Oliver & Kozzy Pickett round out the Top 5. Your votes please. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 & 1

      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 31 replies
  • GAMEDAY: St. Kilda

    It's Game Day and the Demons have traveled to Alice Springs to take on the Saints and they have a massive opportunity to build on the momentum of two big wins in a row and keep their finals hopes well and truly alive.

      • Clap
      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 907 replies