Welcome to Demonland: Jake Lever

[beelzebub 23,359]

18 hours ago, DemonLad5 said:

Mahoney actually said this morning that pick 10 and a FUTURE 2nd round pick was what he thought was more than fair for Lever.

Now we're getting close.

Me being, well , me , would want their future 3rd back as well.

Mahoney is pretty well on the money. Has been on many occasions. A shrewd haggler

[SFebes 4,884]

Jake's dad reads this page, I hope everyone is respectful to Jake and embraces him with open arms. He is going to be 10-12 year back-line general and leader for our back-line. From what I've seen, he'll leave no stone unturned and never give in.

Edited October 4, 2017 by SFebey

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

3 minutes ago, SFebey said:

Jake's dad read this page, I hope everyone is respectful to Jake and embraces him with open arms. He is going to be 10-12 year back-line general and leader for our back-line. From what I've seen, he'll leave no stone unturned and never give in.

If he does, I expect he'll be very proud of his son.

99.999% of posters here are absolutely over the moon that he's nominated this club.

 

[SFebes 4,884]

Just now, Ron Burgundy said:

If he does, I expect he'll be very proud of his son.

99.999% of posters here are absolutely over the moon that he's nominated this club.

 

I feel sorry for him if he was treated like crap by the crows players, everyone deserves better than that and they should have supported him anyway.

[deelete my account 1,194]

Mr Lever, are you still married or did you Lever?

[Bimbo 940]

21 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

If he does, I expect he'll be very proud of his son.

99.999% of posters here are absolutely over the moon that he's nominated this club.

 

I think you should out the other 0.001% of posters

[ManDee 7,134]

48 minutes ago, Bimbo said:

I think you should out the other 0.001% of posters

I'm trying to eradicate the alphabet avatars.

[ManDee 7,134]

1 hour ago, SFebey said:

I feel sorry for him if he was treated like crap by the crows players, everyone deserves better than that and they should have supported him anyway.

[SFebes 4,884]

2 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Done - new profile pic

[Gorgoroth 12,948]

1 hour ago, SFebey said:

Jake's dad reads this page, I hope everyone is respectful to Jake and embraces him with open arms. He is going to be 10-12 year back-line general and leader for our back-line. From what I've seen, he'll leave no stone unturned and never give in.

Well a lot of people are talking him up. Better perform as Watts may not be around to deflect the angst. Dawes copped it and was on similar money if the masses are/were correct. If I had a kid playing afl I sure as shite wouldn't be on a fan forum. We Cray Cray! 

[SFebes 4,884]

Just now, Gorgoroth said:

Well a lot of people are talking him up. Better perform as Watts may not be around to deflect the angst. Dawes copped it and was on similar money if the masses are/were correct. If I had a kid playing afl I sure as shite wouldn't be on a fan forum. We Cray Cray! 

We still have Oscar so Jake will be fine!

[MurDoc516 1,526]

We can't rely on Oscar down back forever. It's in the McDonald genes to roam forward eventually.

[McQueen 17,864]

I have no idea if these links will work but Matty Jones has had a bit to say.

https://twitter.com/MDjones00/status/915753364989788160

https://twitter.com/MDjones00/status/915753364989788160

[DeeSpencer 25,687]

I think he's right that players should try to maximise their wage whilst also understanding quality of life is important, as is family, as is injury management, as is development etc. The most money up front isn't always the smartest money.

Same with his take on loyalty. AFL clubs can be very loyal in terms of caring for players post career, looking after families, taking the high road defending players. Loyalty is a key part of business - when you treat people right as a business they keep coming back. Players who do their best for clubs will be rewarded with longer deals, clubs who do their best for players will often see those players happy to stay. He's spot on about when players have no value they'll be moved on, I think it's overplayed as a modern concept, that's been happening in footy for decades.

 

 

[DeeSpencer 25,687]

On the Lever money issue I think if he plays like a 750k player there won't be any issues. That's every chance of happening.

Prestia was bought to Richmond on big money and people weren't happy mid way through the year but after a solid end to the year and obviously the team success no one is questioning it now.

[Gorgoroth 12,948]

8 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I think he's right that players should try to maximise their wage whilst also understanding quality of life is important, as is family, as is injury management, as is development etc. The most money up front isn't always the smartest money.

Same with his take on loyalty. AFL clubs can be very loyal in terms of caring for players post career, looking after families, taking the high road defending players. Loyalty is a key part of business - when you treat people right as a business they keep coming back. Players who do their best for clubs will be rewarded with longer deals, clubs who do their best for players will often see those players happy to stay. He's spot on about when players have no value they'll be moved on, I think it's overplayed as a modern concept, that's been happening in footy for decades.

 

 

Oh I don’t know, Jones collected pay cheques for years when he was with Melbourne and was of no value.

Edited October 5, 2017 by Gorgoroth

[leucopogon 1,519]

7 hours ago, deebug said:

Yer what can you do? Back then he was 12 years old and loved ST, we still have the dog his 17 years old now and still going strong. My son even taught him how to mark a footy and he can also kick a round ball.

 

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Sounds like the dog could have been handy in the Chris Dawes household.

[deebug 1,754]

8 minutes ago, leucopogon said:

Sounds like the dog could have been handy in the Chris Dawes household.

[Dockett 32 1,239]

7 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Oh I don’t know, Jones collected pay cheques for years when he was with Melbourne and was of no value.

Seems to me that if you are regarded as good player you are well compensated. If you are perceived with deficiencies, clubs as you would expect, are constantly on about improving the list and you may become  involved with this.

I am also unaware of a completely  happy, pleasant way of  facilitating player movement on all occasions.

Every Melbourne supporter wanted Watts to be a Carey, Pavlich type gun player. ( Every coach pre Goodwin too I suspect)

Instead he  became an okish player over a lengthy period IMO . Good some days , ordinary others ( some when we were really needing him to show up).

Over the top emotion on list management and financial club  mismanagement can wreck clubs. We should understand this better than most.

 I'm happy to support Goodwin, he improved us 20% in his first season.

 

 

 

[sue 9,102]

13 minutes ago, Dockett 32 said:

 I'm happy to support Goodwin, he improved us 20% in his first season.

 

 

 

I'm not criticising Goodwin, but you could easily put that 20% down to the recrutiment and development in the previous years.

[MurDoc516 1,526]

As much as i liked Goodwins adaptability in games, i often found our initial game plans didn't work and he was forced to change it. When we got going we played well, but we had troubles being consistent all year. I hope it's just a personnel issue and that another pre season with the current team and hopefully Lever as an addition we can move forward.

Edited October 5, 2017 by MurDoc516

[KysaiahMessiah 725]

10 minutes ago, sue said:

I'm not criticising Goodwin, but you could easily put that 20% down to the recrutiment and development in the previous years.

Agreed, natural progression too

[Dockett 32 1,239]

2 minutes ago, Travis16 said:

Agreed, natural progression too

I see that differently and pretty much semantics.

Goodwin was the conductor of the Orchestra this year and excluding making the finals met expectations.

Where we finished is where we finished. The Coach was Goodwin.

As an aside I suspect the not making the finals might burn in this very competitive beasts, guts and may have a little to do with this thread.

I don't necessarily have a problem with that either

[worldwideweb_demon 90]

Same here. He's done alright to bring in the ex bombers duo but not convinced he is a master coach yet and getting the best out of players. Has time to prove himself.

Our list is good enough to be a finals team and we missed out. Some more good recruiting and we should be challenging for top 4-6.

Watts is made scapegoat but other senior players underperformed too such as Gawn, Garlett was missing in crucial times, Jones output wasn't his usual high standard when he came back too.

[KysaiahMessiah 725]

4 minutes ago, Dockett 32 said:

I see that differently and pretty much semantics.

Goodwin was the conductor of the Orchestra this year and excluding making the finals met expectations.

Where we finished is where we finished. The Coach was Goodwin.

As an aside I suspect the not making the finals might burn in this very competitive beasts, guts and may have a little to do with this thread.

I don't necessarily have a problem with that either

You don't think a talented young list has natural progression?  Would be pretty difficult for any coach to hinder that, except maybe Mark Neeld....