11 hours ago, Delusional demon 82 said:

Ok keen to get everyone's thoughts on where we will finish and why ( could analyse the rest but let's focus on the mighty dees) at the end of home and away 

for me it's 5th spot , with around 15 - 16 wins 

i like your optimism but I'm thinking 13 wins and making 7 or 8.

Interesting that almost everyone thinks the Hawks are on the way down.

My secret formula is forecasting 14 wins in 2017. Seeing as it predicted 11.5 wins last year, my secret formula doesn't work.

1 hour ago, leave it to deever said:

i like your optimism but I'm thinking 13 wins and making 7 or 8.

Interesting that almost everyone thinks the Hawks are on the way down.

That is because we beat them and subliminally we all think if we can beat them then they must be pretty bloody average. It also explains why no-one on here rates Richmond 

1.WEST COAST

2.BULLDOGS

3.GWS

4.SYDNEY

5.ADELAIDE

6.GEELONG

7.ST KILDA

8.MELBOURNE

9.HAWTHORN

10.COLLINGWOOD

11.PORT ADELAIDE

12.RICHMOND

13.FREMANTLE

14.GOLD COAST

15.NORTH MELBOURNE 

16.BRISBANE

17.ESSENDON

18.CARLTON

West Coast vs GWS grand final.

I think the expirance WC has added to there list is flying under the radar in Melbourne, in my eyes this has made them a serious chance for the flag this year. 

I prodict Hawthorn will do a Geelong type rebuild and miss the 8 this season to be in a better position for then draft the sling shot back into the 8 in 2018.

Edited March 4, 20178 yr by ILLDieADemon

12 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

3rd

Always so negative

This team fears no one.

Paul Roos, I thank you for building such a competitive list. 

Edited March 4, 20178 yr by jumbo returns

st Kilda at etidome--can't remember when we last won there against them !

V carlscum that's a worry !

Geelong at etidome theres another worry !

Freo at mcg theres a chance

Tiges at mcg Hardwicks gunna let em do their own thing on their own home ground. Whose gunnagrab  martins push off arm ?

V essundrug @ etiddome theres another worry

Who was it that said we had a favourable draw ?

if you don't win most of your first 6 your already out of the finals !!!

We should be fighting for one of the lower spots in the eight.  I think any better than that is overly optimistic. 

I am with you puntkick.I have had my hopes dashed too often in the recent past.Consequently I can't see passed the 1st game,

Given our pre-season form (not a great indicator I realize) and provided we have a halfway decent run with injuries, I am now confident we shall make the eight.

That's about as much optimism as I can manage ATM.

12 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

This team fears no one.

Paul Roos, I thank you for building such a competitive list. 

Jason Taylor.

14 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Jason Taylor.

you could name a few, but definitely a team effort

and who put the team together? 

1. GWS

2. Sydney 

3. Meth Coast 

4 . Bulldogs 

5.Adelaide

6. St Kilda 

7. Hawthorn 

8. Dees

9. Geelong 

10. Suns 

11. Collingwood 

12. Essendon 

13. Fremantle 

14. Richmond 

15. North

16. Port Adelaide 

17. Carlton 

18. Brisbane 

Premiers GWS

Chas- Treloar 

Coleman:Buddy 

Rising Star -Ainsworth 

 

 

1. GWS

2. Adelaide

3. Sydney

4. Bulldogs

5. Geelong

6. St Kilda

7. Hawthorn

8. Melbourne

9. Richmond

10. North

11. West Coast

12. Collingwood

13. Essendon

14. Gold Coast

15. Port Adelaide

16. Brisbane

17. Fremantle

18. Carlton

Since we are talking ladders here, I've been looking for a ladder predictor where you go through doing all the tipping and it generates a ladder. The AFL has taken theirs down (well i can open the page and see a very nice blank page) does anyone know of another around the place? Makes it a bit easier to place some teams when you actually go through their fixtures

There is no way we will not improve above all other teams by at least 15% on our last years form.. 5th or 4th is a distinct possibility... finishing outside the eight is not on. Nor will it be expected or accepted by the Team...

On 3/4/2017 at 0:03 PM, Wells 11 said:

I feel a need to be realistic here. Lets look at the top teams. Hawthorn, Swans, Dogs, West coast, Geelong, Adelaide, Giants. Something massive would have to happen to get those guys out of the top 7 positions. Huge Home ground advantage for 5 of them. Even the teams in so called decline ( Geelong, Hawthorn) have topped up with free agency....and I cant see them falling very far,  if at all. But lets say one or even TWO of them has an unexpected crash somehow. I cant imagine that happening but its possible. 

So, if we say optimistically that that is the top 5 - 7 ( that I doubt we will be breaking into)  then its a bun fight between St Kilda, Melb, Collingwood, Richmond, North, Power and (I hate to say it) Essendon for the last 1 -3 positions. Stkilda will be expecting to get there no doubt, Power would be expecting that too, Collingwood always expects and is a always a possibility. Essendon with so many guns back etc cant be discounted. North and Richmond less likely but they wouldn't be considering themselves out of it either. 

I can see a crazily close  season with teams regularly knocking off teams above them. If plenty goes right and we win the close ones Im gonna say 7th. If not 10th. 

I like the way you think but disagree on a few teams. My thinking is it only takes a drop off of a few percent to come down the ladder, I think Hawthorn will have that, I think they will be somewhere in 7-10th. West Coast I am not convinced on, their home ground advantage is massive but they weren't great last year, the are vulnerable to vanishing from contention very easily, and Adelaide to me just don't sit right, they had a great year last year but I just have a gut feeling it may be a one off. I am also not hugely convinced by the cats, they are too reliant on too few. 

That leaves the Swans, Dogs, and Giants as clearly in the top 8. If we improve by a few percent, and the others drop by a few percent we could be right in the mix for top 4. 

Realistically not all of what I have said will happen, maybe not any of it, and other teams will also improve, so I think we will end up in 6th. 

My full ladder;

1 - GWS. Far too many quality players to not finish top and the team seems to have clicked.

2 - Sydney - Were scary good with a very young team on the field last year, will be near the top for a while, aren't free kicks from the academies a great thing! (I have no issue with academies, they are great, I have a big issue with the ease of access to this talent for a few teams)

3 -Adelaide - Not convinced, no idea why as they play well and win, I just can't see it. Have put them here because the fact I can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.

4 - Geelong - Will do well with the top players playing. 2 injuries to key people and wont make the finals. Imagine them if Selwood and Dangerfield both went down for the season!

5 - Western Bulldogs - Had a great finals series but are not infallible or that great. A bit like the Hawks in 08, weren't the best team of the year but won the choccies.

6 - Melbourne - Easier draw than last year sees us jump the saints.

 7- St Kilda - Had an easy draw last year, a tougher one this year, will improve and I see them on par with us in lots of ways.

8 - West Coast - Very fragile away from home. 

9 - Collingwood - Will be better, but I don't think they have the fire power or defense to win enough. Bucks to stay, club to fall to wooden spoon by 2020.

10 - Hawthorn - Will lake speed and poise from those who have left and those left who are very good are getting old. 

11 - North Melbourne - No more old men, but what is left?

12 - Essendon - Will run out of puff and find out that of the 12 banned players who are returning only a few of them are actually best 22.

13 - Richmond - Just not that great. Hardwick gone by round 18

14 - Gold Coast - are the big unknown. They have the talent but is the culture fixed?

15 - Port Adelaide - I get the feeling of disharmony and/or big headedness in that group, no idea why and nothing to back it up.

16 - Freo - Can't see them climbing back up, they are too old. Ross will survive somehow but will be gone next year

17 - Brisbane - Just no good. (think us a few years back)

18 - Carlton. Jungle drums to beat for Bolton by years end (which would be the wrong move so it is guaranteed to happen at Carlton)

First to admit this will probably be miles from the actually round 23 ladder, especially as it is all based on gut feel. I do notice I have us playing the Saints in round 1 of the finals, at least it would be at the G as there wouldn't be any clash of finals there that weekend!

Doggies to maintain. Saints to beat us, but us to finish higher. Hawks & Eagles to falter. Dons to tire. Port to stay mediocre. Freo to fail.

 

Dogs

GWS

Swans

Crows

Cats

Dees

Saints

West Coast

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Hawks

Dons

Port

Pies

Freo

Lions

Richmond

Suns

North

Blues

On 04/03/2017 at 10:13 AM, DemonAndrew said:

8-15 wins, somewhere btw 5-15 on the ladder.

i think we're heading for another up-and-down season in what should be a super-even year for a host of teams who might make finals depending upon injuries and form.

Don't stick your neck out at all?

On 04/03/2017 at 10:13 AM, DemonAndrew said:

8-15 wins, somewhere btw 5-15 on the ladder.

i think we're heading for another up-and-down season in what should be a super-even year for a host of teams who might make finals depending upon injuries and form.

Somewhere between 0 and 22 wins.  btw 1-18 on the ladder.  

Someone had to do it surely?

On 4/3/2017 at 8:21 PM, Skuit said:

My secret formula is forecasting 14 wins in 2017. Seeing as it predicted 11.5 wins last year, my secret formula doesn't work.

Use more yeast and more sugar.

46 minutes ago, demon-4-life said:

Somewhere between 0 and 22 wins.  btw 1-18 on the ladder.  

Someone had to do it surely?

Oh, why stop there?

Disqualified and dropped to the VFL.

can i make my predictions after round 11?

I'm thinking us, the Saints and West Coast to finish on the same amount of wins meaning final 7-8-9 placings will come down to percentage.

Sorry, but I think the overall 'opinion' of this thread is a bit optimistic.