3 hours ago, Adzman said:

I am torn about a Garland and/or Dunn trade. Here is why:

We will lose Grimes. Losing Garland, or Dunn or both thins our depth and leaves us vulnerable. Wagner, Omac, Frost, came out of thin air. If one goes down we are in trouble, or if they struggle to maintain form we are short on options.

On the other side of the coin, those young mentioned players are our future and will be given most game time. This will weaken Dunn and Garlands trade value the following season and also hurt their chances of playing more Afl games elsewhere.

I am going to be bold and suggest if we can find some win wins deals for both Dunn and Garland we take the risk.

One will be covered by Hibberd. Or he will squeeze a player out of the starting 22 who will cover for one of them.

Edited September 8, 20168 yr by Ethan Tremblay

Re Henderson, obviously meant Ricky from the Crows...seeing as he was the one dropped this week.

 

Another H who was dropped was Hrovat. He would be ideal for us - would much prefer to Hartung, and wouldn't mind Hartung on our list but can't see the Hawks letting him him go.

 

It'd be funny if we added four Hs to our side - Hibberd, Henderson, Hrovat, Hartung - in place of some of the Gs in Grimes and Garland...

 

The stuff re Tuohy to the Kangas is gaining legs. North are odd balls.

 

 

I'm not averse to picking up Watson, couldn't care less about Brownlow if he plays fair dinkum for us. Kennedy only better.

1 minute ago, willmoy said:

I'm not averse to picking up Watson, couldn't care less about Brownlow if he plays fair dinkum for us. Kennedy only better.

 

Watson is cooked. He was already a liability in the last season he played.

4 hours ago, DemonAndrew said:

Re Henderson, obviously meant Ricky from the Crows...seeing as he was the one dropped this week.

 

Another H who was dropped was Hrovat. He would be ideal for us - would much prefer to Hartung, and wouldn't mind Hartung on our list but can't see the Hawks letting him him go.

 

It'd be funny if we added four Hs to our side - Hibberd, Henderson, Hrovat, Hartung - in place of some of the Gs in Grimes and Garland...

 

The stuff re Tuohy to the Kangas is gaining legs. North are odd balls.

 

 

Tuohy is a very good footballer, Carlton need draft picks and North seem keen to reload not rebuild. Interesting choice but if they zig where all other clubs zag that might stay as a top 8 team, not sure how they win the flag though.

Hrovat is very similar to Ben Kennedy. Not sure we'd need him. Doesn't use the ball well enough to keep a regular spot.

Hartung would be better for list balance I think. He'd give us an extra outside runner that we really need. 

Henderson would be a great get, but I can't see us adding Henderson and Hibberd with Melksham returning. That's spending a lot of currency on back flankers, unless the belief was Henderson could play as a 3rd tall and I'm not convinced of that.

Noticed Jarrad Lyons from Crows has not yet signed. Seem to remember that MFC was interested in him 2 years ago. Would he be still be a likely candidate to pick up?

Edited September 9, 20168 yr by Optimus D

27 minutes ago, Optimus D said:

Noticed Jarrad Lyons from Crows has not yet signed. Seem to remember that MFC was interested in him 2 years ago. Would he be still be a likely candidate to pick up?

After his breakthrough season this year, I hope we can get him

Had we got him a couple of year ago he may have just been another Ben Newton or Viv Michie

45 minutes ago, Optimus D said:

Noticed Jarrad Lyons from Crows has not yet signed. Seem to remember that MFC was interested in him 2 years ago. Would he be still be a likely candidate to pick up?

I feel we've moved past these sorts of pick ups, if you compare list building to baking a cake, i feel we have most of the cake in place, we just need it to develop, we're now at the stage of looking for icing, or a better cake like Nat Fyfe 

 

26 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

After his breakthrough season this year, I hope we can get him

Had we got him a couple of year ago he may have just been another Ben Newton or Viv Michie

Next year you can replace those names with Bugg and BenKen.

9 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

One will be covered by Hibberd. Or he will squeeze a player out of the starting 22 who will cover for one of them.

Tall defender is needed. We were creamed this year by Reiwldt & Daniher.

5 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Tall defender is needed. We were creamed this year by Reiwldt & Daniher.

Marchbank or Tomlinson come on down...

 

7 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Tall defender is needed. We were creamed this year by Reiwldt & Daniher.

I reckon Mckenzie from the Eagles would be a good fit, not getting a game there and rumoured to be open to a move, was an All Australian a couple of years ago

33 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Tall defender is needed. We were creamed this year by Reiwldt & Daniher.

Weren't most teams to a lesser degree?

I think you notch those matchups to the "Oscar will grow into the role of stopping them in a year or two" category and put more eggs in the midfield and outside runners trade basket tbh

You're not stopping Riewoldt or Daniher without giving up a first round pick (Carlisle?) OR developing your own defending youth. B Grade defenders are on the table because they can't stop big forwards. 

Our defensive performances against Hawthorn and Port Adelaide showed we have a capable defence and Hurley wasn't such a pressing need. It's the turnovers in the middle and midfield leadership that killed our defence in the last two rounds, not the personnel\

Tom and Oscar McDonald and Frost were signed in response to "tall defenders are needed" - I don't know how much taller a forwardline needs to get to have us covered but it's surely not a frequent occurence that warrants adding more defensive depth on the sideline.

Edited September 9, 20168 yr by DominatrixTyson

55 minutes ago, DominatrixTyson said:

Weren't most teams to a lesser degree?

I think you notch those matchups to the "Oscar will grow into the role of stopping them in a year or two" category and put more eggs in the midfield and outside runners trade basket tbh

You're not stopping Riewoldt or Daniher without giving up a first round pick (Carlisle?) OR developing your own defending youth. B Grade defenders are on the table because they can't stop big forwards. 

Our defensive performances against Hawthorn and Port Adelaide showed we have a capable defence and Hurley wasn't such a pressing need. It's the turnovers in the middle and midfield leadership that killed our defence in the last two rounds, not the personnel\

Tom and Oscar McDonald and Frost were signed in response to "tall defenders are needed" - I don't know how much taller a forwardline needs to get to have us covered but it's surely not a frequent occurence that warrants adding more defensive depth on the sideline.

We seem to be in the 'stop them in the middle and we will stop their talls kicking goals" category. It worked against Gold Coast but against the Weagles we lost the game because our defenders were bullied for easy goals. Maybe if OMac can put on 15kgs over summer that may fix the issue...

 

12 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

We seem to be in the 'stop them in the middle and we will stop their talls kicking goals" category. It worked against Gold Coast but against the Weagles we lost the game because our defenders were bullied for easy goals. Maybe if OMac can put on 15kgs over summer that may fix the issue...

I though our forward line was responsible for that loss, they had so many missed shots on goal it was tragic. The Eagles bully every club for easy goals at home, i just chalk that up to the natural order of things. 

I just think we've put faith in the development of McD's & Frost and any defender we get will be only be a depth swap for Garland & Dunn. Any possible move we made to get the A grade player required to stop Riew/Daniher in the year preceeding the growth of our youth, would be to the detriment of other pressing trade needs. 

Edited September 9, 20168 yr by DominatrixTyson

10 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Tall defender is needed. We were creamed this year by Reiwldt & Daniher.

 

10 hours ago, stuie said:

Marchbank or Tomlinson come on down...

 

 

10 hours ago, Abe said:

I reckon Mckenzie from the Eagles would be a good fit, not getting a game there and rumoured to be open to a move, was an All Australian a couple of years ago

Whilst I wouldn't be against McKenzie, Frost was the obvious match up for Daniher earlier in the year, so he hasn't actually had his chance. I'd also expect our zone defence and team defence to improve another step next year.

I think we have the pieces in place, we just need to gain continuity and experience with the game style in attack and defence.

17 hours ago, stuie said:

Marchbank or Tomlinson come on down...

 

Tomlinson staying and Marchbank rumoured to be Blues bound.

On 9/8/2016 at 0:08 PM, Redleg said:

One of the bits from the twitter, said that Miles of Richmond might want out. Interest?

Noticed that Miles finished 6th in Tiger's B & F. Hartlett not even in top 10 in Port B & F.

Not saying we should get Miles, but he isn't the worst player around and will be a fraction of the Hartlett cost.

Yes I know HH is a better player. Just think Miles could be good value.

11 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Noticed that Miles finished 6th in Tiger's B & F. Hartlett not even in top 10 in Port B & F.

Not saying we should get Miles, but he isn't the worst player around and will be a fraction of the Hartlett cost.

Yes I know HH is a better player. Just think Miles could be good value.

 

Do you know what Miles brings to the table?

His skillset mainly consists of winning contested footy at the coalface, but butchering possession. A less-rounded version of Michie. Who would be replace on the ball? Oliver? Jones? Viney?

He thrives (relatively) at Richmond because they are such a soft side.

15 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Noticed that Miles finished 6th in Tiger's B & F. Hartlett not even in top 10 in Port B & F.

Not saying we should get Miles, but he isn't the worst player around and will be a fraction of the Hartlett cost.

Yes I know HH is a better player. Just think Miles could be good value.

In my opinion for the cost vs worth we don't want either.  Miles is a minor upgrade that would steal game time next year from Brayshaw, Oliver and others through the midfield. Hartlett is a highly talented player who rarely has consistent impact on games. Would strongly consider him as a free agent but would not even be close to considering him for the trade required to outside of free agency. 

FWIW some guy on Bigfooty just mentioned that all our list managers are currently at North Port Oval watching the VFL.

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

FWIW some guy on Bigfooty just mentioned that all our list managers are currently at North Port Oval watching the VFL.

I would guess they mean recruiting guys, as there is one List Manager.

Wonder who they are watching?

6 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I would guess they mean recruiting guys, as there is one List Manager.

Wonder who they are watching?

Billy Longer? Speculating

Edited September 10, 20168 yr by DominatrixTyson

3 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I would guess they mean recruiting guys, as there is one List Manager.

Wonder who they are watching?

Simon Goodwin was at Domain on Thursday night

Kelly O'Donnell told me they have somebody at all State footy finals and TAC Cup, assume also that Casey coaching staff will be there scouting

9 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I would guess they mean recruiting guys, as there is one List Manager.

Wonder who they are watching?

Ayce Cordy or Billy Longer?