FA & Trade Whispers

[markc 975]

2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Blues looking to add Marchbank, Pickett, Stewart and Palmer from GWS for pick 5.

They are the second home of unwanted Giants. Top of the beanstork.

will that make them the Greater western blues yet ??

[Redleg 41,428]

Just now, markc said:

will that make them the Greater western blues yet ??

Palmer's disposal is atrocious. I believe if Stevie played instead of Palmer, GWS would have made the GF.

It was another bit of luck for the Dogs in the finals.

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

4 minutes ago, markc said:

will that make them the Greater western blues yet ??

I must admit i wonder if it's SOS protecting his own bacon a bit, he selected the majority of these players at high picks and his hit% was extremely low, getting them to the Blues and into an AFL team makes him and them look a little better. 

[Redleg 41,428]

22 hours ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

I can reveal tonight the following... Jordan Lewis will be at Melbourne in 2017. Tom Rockliff is 90 per cent over the line and Chris Dawes has been delisted and that will be announced tomorrow. Don't ask me to name specific sources of info, as I'd be betraying trust, but since the riddler has returned ...let me me indulge him..The Lewis news comes from a sauce closer than the man's dog.. The dawes news is from the main door...and the main door told me about Rockliff. Happy Monday 'Landers...We are gonna get what we want ..

You seem to have avoided any anger from the masses.

[Redleg 41,428]

2 minutes ago, Abe said:

I must admit i wonder if it's SOS protecting his own bacon a bit, he selected the majority of these players at high picks and his hit% was extremely low, getting them to the Blues and into an AFL team makes him and them look a little better. 

Not if you are a Blues fan.

[Yokozuna 1,004]

40 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I didn't mean swapping Richards for Garland, just that if they lose Richards, that maybe we could get them interested in Garland. They took Laidler and improved him at his 3rd club.

Realistically they would have no interest though.

 Sorry, misunderstood you, but I agree, would be happy if they took Garland, and happy for him if he got a go and improved!

[binman 43,762]

8 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Palmer's disposal is atrocious. I believe if Stevie played instead of Palmer, GWS would have made the GF.

It was another bit of luck for the Dogs in the finals.

Agree. He was a liability. Ironic that gws got johnson in at leastvin part because of his experience in finals and he gets himself rubbed out with some misguided physical palaver. Potentially cost them a gf win

[Redleg 41,428]

Just now, binman said:

Agree. He was a liability. Ironic that gws got johnson in at leastvin part because of his experience in finals and he gets himself rubbed out with some misguided physical palaver. Potentially cost them a gf win

That's what Leon Cameron and the players would be thinking.

[titan_uranus 25,043]

Missing a few days of Demonland at this time of year means missing roughly 70 pages of posts.

I have no idea how or why Gawn's name is in this thread.

Ditto Tippett. Awful player.

[DeeSpencer 26,081]

11 minutes ago, Abe said:

I must admit i wonder if it's SOS protecting his own bacon a bit, he selected the majority of these players at high picks and his hit% was extremely low, getting them to the Blues and into an AFL team makes him and them look a little better. 

I don't think so. I just think Carlton's list is/was in a terrible state and he's going with talent he knows how well and can get cheap. He wasn't on Carlton's side when he sold them lemons in Jaksch and Whiley and the 4 for 1 deal last year worked pretty well. Phillips and Plowman were worth it. 

I also think his hit % was pretty good. They overdrafted some key defenders and outside pace once they had the forwards and ball winners locked in. They've also had a number of guys injured just as every club does, it just so happens that so many of their players are highly ranked juniors that they've had injuries from that group.

If Palmer goes to Carlton then I think it will be a salary cap dump which is an unusual deal for an AFL club. Carlton will take Palmer and his salary and in return get the players they do want from GWS - Marchbank, Pickett - cheaper.

[ILLDieADemon 804]

I heard something on SEN today about our trade with Kurt Tippet was hold up somethings. Has anyone else heard something like that.

Or maybe I heard to wrong, I was driving at the time.

[Bay Riffin 1,479]

43 minutes ago, Abe said:

I must admit i wonder if it's SOS protecting his own bacon a bit, he selected the majority of these players at high picks and his hit% was extremely low, getting them to the Blues and into an AFL team makes him and them look a little better. 

but if they fail a second time on his watch, its a mistake of monumental proportions.

[Adam The God 30,407]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Blues looking to add Marchbank, Pickett, Stewart and Palmer from GWS for pick 5.

They are the second home of unwanted Giants. Top of the beanstork.

That is outrageous. They're stockpiling some bloody average players. SOS was very hit and miss at GWS and now his ego is getting the better of him, sweeping up all the scraps that he originally picked, determined to make them work at Carlton. They really are poorly run. They wreak of 'Old Boys Club' down there.

[The Backyard Charizard 1,202]

2 minutes ago, A F said:

That is outrageous. They're stockpiling some bloody average players. SOS was very hit and miss at GWS and now his ego is getting the better of him, sweeping up all the scraps that he originally picked, determined to make them work at Carlton. They really are poorly run. They wreak of 'Old Boys Club' down there.

Which makes Rnd 22, 2016 all the more painful 

[Adam The God 30,407]

1 hour ago, Abe said:

I must admit i wonder if it's SOS protecting his own bacon a bit, he selected the majority of these players at high picks and his hit% was extremely low, getting them to the Blues and into an AFL team makes him and them look a little better. 

Yep, completely agree, mate. Ego written all over this.

[Adam The God 30,407]

14 minutes ago, KrazyJay said:

Which makes Rnd 22, 2016 all the more painful 

We'll get them next year.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,088]

3 minutes ago, A F said:

We'll get them next year.

Doubt it.  We're still slow and their coach is still building their team around running their asses off.  The Blues and Saints will both get us by banging the ball away from stoppages and then outrunning us on the outside. Lewis isn't going to help us in the pace department. 

[Adam The God 30,407]

13 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Doubt it.  We're still slow and their coach is still building their team around running their asses off.  The Blues and Saints will both get us by banging the ball away from stoppages and then outrunning us on the outside. Lewis isn't going to help us in the pace department. 

Nah, we'll get them. Stop Cripps, stop Carlton. Particularly now that Gibbs is leaving. They've already got a laughable midfield that will become even weaker. Cripps is a gun, Murphy is a B grader and then...

[daisycutter 29,738]

1 hour ago, binman said:

Agree. He was a liability. Ironic that gws got johnson in at leastvin part because of his experience in finals and he gets himself rubbed out with some misguided physical palaver. Potentially cost them a gf win

no doubt about it. and it was interesting how little flack he received over it. probably because the melbourne press didn't want an all sydney final and the dogs were such an emotional pull at the time. stevie was a lucky boy. 

[SaberFang 7,151]

Becoming very, very clear to me that Silvagni has no idea what he's doing. When you consider the amount of busts GWS had with their ludicrous first round concessions, it's mindboggling they've still leapfrogged into the top 4 (and an indictment on just how many concessions they've had).

[Moonshadow 17,677]

1 hour ago, TheoX said:

To be a 'destination club' a really good young player needs to nominate us

You mean like Dom Tyson?

Edit. And you're aware Hibberd is only 26?

Edited October 17, 2016 by Moonshadow

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

1 hour ago, TheoX said:

To be a 'destination club' a really good young player needs to nominate us

Jesse Hogan.

 

[DeeSpencer 26,081]

2 hours ago, A F said:

That is outrageous. They're stockpiling some bloody average players. SOS was very hit and miss at GWS and now his ego is getting the better of him, sweeping up all the scraps that he originally picked, determined to make them work at Carlton. They really are poorly run. They wreak of 'Old Boys Club' down there.

I think they'll trade Gibbs and get all those ex GWS players for pick 13 plus something else from the Crows in the Gibbs deal. 

Trading out Yarran, Henderson and Menzel worked perfectly last year. Gibbs and Touhy are far more reliable players but you have to give something to get something when rebuilding and they just have very little to offer up.

They are adding average players because their list is rubbish and it's better to clear it out aggressively than hold on to battlers who are so bad they aren't even recognisable names. I wish GWS were around to dump 4 for 1 deals on when our list was a complete mess in 2012-2014. Instead we end up keeping Matt Jones, Terlich, Newton, Spencer, Michie, Bail types on for years. Guys like Kerridge, Wright, Sumner, Lamb at least offer fresh faces and able bodies.

They had 4 top 20 or so picks last year (3 of them were talls) plus Plowman. If I'm right they'll have pick 5, Marchbank and Pickett coming in this year. They've gone a long way to securing the spine which is a long term investment that usually doesn't show immediate results. If they get long term results from Weitering, Marchbank, Plowman, backline trio, Kreuzer/Phillips ruck, Curnow and McKay forward then they've got years to add midfielders. They'll probably start with pick 5 this year and get a very nice talent. The experienced B + C grade mids can provide the support for the young talls to develop and then once that happens it's easy to throw mids in.

[Skuit 10,031]

On 10/16/2016 at 10:25 PM, A F said:

To me, the possible recruitment of any of these guys would signal we're keen to fast track our success. Go for A graders and go for experience. It's a bold, but still thought out strategy.

We would love to have two A graders and an elite kicking B grader into our squad. As of 2016, we have Gawn as our only A grader, Jones on the cusp and a bunch of the young guys like Viney and Tyson ready to take the step into that next bracket too.

So from the end of 2016, where we have one A grader, all of a sudden with natural improvement, 2017 could see us have six A graders in Viney, Tyson, Lewis, Rockliff, Gawn and even Jones with that experience supporting him. And if Jetta can rise once more, he'll be an A grader for mine too.

But without the injection of Hibberd's experience and kicking skills in our back six; without the experience, decision-making, disposal and leadership of Lewis in our midfield; as well as Rockliff's experience, ball-winning ability and goal-kicking ability in our midfield and forwardline, we don't make the same level of progress. These guys will take the pressure of all those already at the club and allow them to rise even further.

If it comes to fruition, I think it will have been an inspired recruiting period, along with whoever Taylor manages to snare in the national draft - and all of this from a starting position of pick 26.

We're a serious football club off the field these days and I love it. It won't be long before we're a serious club onfield too. Hopefully starting next year.

You're usually up this time of night AF. Without a doubt this is a serious fully-fledged tilt at the 2018/19 flag. The contracts give an idea of that themselves. Everyone key to the immediate future is signed up till around then. Beyond that? Pretty much every team that has sustained success in recent times has had some minor edge over such a tight comp - father/sons - priorities - or cap space. Geelong and the Hawks have managed dynasties through salary sacrifices.

I think Jackson and Roos sat down with one simple question - how do we make the MFC relevant again? Success. But what about sustained success? We plot a four-five year plan to a flag while instilling discipline, unity, loyalty and giving a taste of success and then hope for the best in terms of the cap and potential sacrifices.

Everything else has been measured to perfection. Get young talent in early at the expense of future picks or super-elite talent (extra development for a year and to form a core group growing together). And then top it it with A-graders with a window within that tilt  before clearing them out for spots and cap-space. Plug gaps with currency in the interim.

No doubt about it - we've targeted 18/19 to break the hoodoo - and in a wildly different path than the Doggies. 

[Adam The God 30,407]

7 hours ago, Skuit said:

You're usually up this time of night AF. Without a doubt this is a serious fully-fledged tilt at the 2018/19 flag. The contracts give an idea of that themselves. Everyone key to the immediate future is signed up till around then. Beyond that? Pretty much every team that has sustained success in recent times has had some minor edge over such a tight comp - father/sons - priorities - or cap space. Geelong and the Hawks have managed dynasties through salary sacrifices.

I think Jackson and Roos sat down with one simple question - how do we make the MFC relevant again? Success. But what about sustained success? We plot a four-five year plan to a flag while instilling discipline, unity, loyalty and giving a taste of success and then hope for the best in terms of the cap and potential sacrifices.

Everything else has been measured to perfection. Get young talent in early at the expense of future picks or super-elite talent (extra development for a year and to form a core group growing together). And then top it it with A-graders with a window within that tilt  before clearing them out for spots and cap-space. Plug gaps with currency in the interim.

No doubt about it - we've targeted 18/19 to break the hoodoo - and in a wildly different path than the Doggies. 

Not last night, mate. Wanted to get up for the 6am Liverpool kick off.

I reckon there's probably a lot of truth to your theory, although I think the club is backing itself to be in the top 4 and challenging by the time those contracts are up. Obviously it'd be great to win it, but it'll also be easier to retain players when we're up there.

Edited October 17, 2016 by A F