Dear Essendon,

You still don't know what you injected Michael Hibberd with, stop being a bunch of pricks.

Yours sincerely,

Clint Bizkit

2 hours ago, AngryAtCasey said:

With reports suggesting that James Stewart has nominated Essendon as his club of choice ahead of Carlton, maybe we could get involved seeing as Essendon are playing hardball re: 2nd Round Picks.

For example we send Garland (Patfull replacement) to GWS & Picks 29 & 57 to Essendon

GWS send Stewart to Essendon & Pick 37 back to us.

Essendon send Hibberd to us & Pick 41 to GWS

So for us it's Garland, Picks 29 & 57 out. Hibberd & Pick 37 in.

Essendon it's Hibberd & Pick 41 out.  Stewart & Picks 29 & 57 in.

GWS it's Stewart & 37 out.  Garland & Pick 41 in.

I like the way you think but why exactly are we giving Essendon our pick 57 when they would do the deal for pick 29 alone?

Essendon are smart. I love Dodoro. He doesn't bend until he has to. We should wait it out.

Otherwise, GC still have picks 24 and 26 with 2 first round picks and 2 more to come for Prestia and O'Meara. If we give them our future 2nd rounder and Ess (or Melb) pay the difference with some 4th round picks or 3rd round upgrades then both clubs get what they want. 

3 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Dear Essendon,

You still don't know what you injected Michael Hibberd with, stop being a bunch of pricks.

Yours sincerely,

Clint Bizkit

Yes they do, the players got banned for it, think the deal will be done, think the Lewis deal took over, reckon next years 2nd round unless of course there is one of the mega deals as being posted

4 minutes ago, Abe said:

Essendon are known to be horrible to deal with in trade week which is why i suspect noone has had a crack at pick 1, they overvalue everything.

they need to understand they did the wrong thing by Hibbo and in part caused him to miss 12 months of his career, they owe it to him to not be tools about this, a future second round pick for him given he's missed 12 months is extremely fair. 

Not to mention the 12 months we lost on Melksham for what was generally regarded as an overs premium at the time it was concluded.  Looks like turning in to a who blinks  first exercise.  Is there any possibility we have a quality alternative use in this year's trade period for 29 so that we can present Dodo head with a take it or leave it?  Or are we determined to go to the draft with a 2nd round pick in hand?

It'll happen, once a player and his manager publicly commit to another club, it always gets done.

3 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Yes they do, the players got banned for it, think the deal will be done, think the Lewis deal took over, reckon next years 2nd round unless of course there is one of the mega deals as being posted

That was only one of the things they were injected with. Dank had all sorts of stuff going on including horse drugs, no one knows what went where and which players had what!

3 minutes ago, CBDees said:

I like the way you think but why exactly are we giving Essendon our pick 57 when they would do the deal for pick 29 alone?

Good point. We could probably keep 57 or send it to GWS so they get something else to make it more appealing from their end.

Essendon; OUT - Hibberd & 41. IN - Stewart & 29.

GWS; OUT - Stewart & 37. IN - Garland, 41 & 57.

Melbourne; OUT - Garland, 29 & 57. IN - Hibberd & 37.

Use 37 & 68 at the draft.

I wonder if there's a point where Hibberd's manager says to Essendon. Come on do the deal or we'll go to the grievances tribunal tomorrow and you'll get nothing. Time would be getting tight and he'd end up in the draft and we'd have to get him to do a very high one year contract that no one else would touch ( a la Luke Ball) and then do a two year extension for very little to average it out. 

2 minutes ago, AngryAtCasey said:

Good point. We could probably keep 57 or send it to GWS so they get something else to make it more appealing from their end.

Essendon; OUT - Hibberd & 41. IN - Stewart & 29.

GWS; OUT - Stewart & 37. IN - Garland, 41 & 57.

Melbourne; OUT - Garland, 29 & 57. IN - Hibberd & 37.

Use 37 & 68 at the draft.

I doubt 37 will be good enough for the players we are obviously looking at in the draft. 

Why waste any more time dealing with these pr1cks? There is zero interest in Hibberd from any other club, including Essendon.

We have offered a deal that is probably over the odds given Hibberd's age, his 2016 suspension, and his playing history.

After caving in to Essendon with Melksham last year, I'll be bitterly disappointed if we do the same thing with Hibberd this year.

2 hours ago, AngryAtCasey said:

With reports suggesting that James Stewart has nominated Essendon as his club of choice ahead of Carlton, maybe we could get involved seeing as Essendon are playing hardball re: 2nd Round Picks.

For example we send Garland (Patfull replacement) to GWS & Picks 29 & 57 to Essendon

GWS send Stewart to Essendon & Pick 37 back to us.

Essendon send Hibberd to us & Pick 41 to GWS

So for us it's Garland, Picks 29 & 57 out. Hibberd & Pick 37 in.

Essendon it's Hibberd & Pick 41 out.  Stewart & Picks 29 & 57 in.

GWS it's Stewart & 37 out.  Garland & Pick 41 in.

Probably just me, but I have this automatic reaction against any trade involving Essendon that doesn't result in them being completely done over.

I truly hate Essendon with every fibre of my being.

 

I just needed to get that off my chest. Cheers.

39 minutes ago, Abe said:

Essendon are known to be horrible to deal with in trade week which is why i suspect noone has had a crack at pick 1, they overvalue everything.

they need to understand they did the wrong thing by Hibbo and in part caused him to miss 12 months of his career, they owe it to him to not be tools about this, a future second round pick for him given he's missed 12 months is extremely fair. 

I agree but seriously..."they need to understand they did the wrong thing.... ". Are you kidding. Not about to happen now. 

F*ckin hate the guy but we all wish Dodoro worked for the MFC. What an asset.

3 minutes ago, hemingway said:

I agree but seriously..."they need to understand they did the wrong thing.... ". Are you kidding. Not about to happen now. 

Hahaha wishful thinking

1 minute ago, Brayshaw Self said:

F*ckin hate the guy but we all wish Dodoro worked for the MFC. What an asset.

You spelled "asshat" wrong...

 

We are the ones being the assholes here.

He is worth a second round pick this year but for whatever reason we want to do the Harvey Norman 12 months interest free.

I don't mind us being the assholes.

3 minutes ago, Stretch Johnson said:

We are the ones being the assholes here.

He is worth a second round pick this year but for whatever reason we want to do the Harvey Norman 12 months interest free.

I don't mind us being the assholes.

The last product they sold us took a year to fix.

They can wait a year this time.

I do hope there is still some good faithshown between the paties.

For example if we relented and give them 29 this year then they'll give us something else with Hibberd. Eg Pick 41.

If they accept next years Pick then we should throw Pick 57 their way or someone like JKH or Nibbler.

Also, not doing that deal has meant that they haven't been able to do other deals.

In the past we have done the deals quickly, allowing us to look at trade period as a whole. Essendon have sucked at trading because they have only looked at deals in isolation. Given our desire to do fair deals over last period, I'm happy to back our club's judgement on this at the moment.

6 minutes ago, AngryAtCasey said:

I do hope there is still some good faithshown between the paties.

For example if we relented and give them 29 this year then they'll give us something else with Hibberd. Eg Pick 41.

If they accept next years Pick then we should throw Pick 57 their way or someone like JKH or Nibbler.

That's a little overdoing it. We aren't going to give up a young player we like (even just a little) as steak knives. They won't give up pick 41. But I'm sure both clubs are going through their late picks trying to find a swap to make it work. Or at least have that option open to them.

Our pick 68 for their pick 59 if they do it their way. Our pick 68 for their pick 77 if they do it our way.

I dont mind it but it we blink first then it signals to other clubs that we will relent. I look at GC and this year they have teams falling over themselves to offer overs. These teams know that the nutbrain CEO they have aint going to pander to them. GC are now even knocking back ridiculous overs for players, theyll get double the value than if these players left other clubs. 

5 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

Also, not doing that deal has meant that they haven't been able to do other deals.

In the past we have done the deals quickly, allowing us to look at trade period as a whole. Essendon have sucked at trading because they have only looked at deals in isolation. Given our desire to do fair deals over last period, I'm happy to back our club's judgement on this at the moment.

Yep, this is my impression too.

Last year it suited us to get the Melksham deal done quickly to be able to get others done. Dodo probably thought we caved in easily, but we had a larger purpose. Dodo doesn't do "larger purpose".

This year there's no hurry about the Hibberd deal. We can wait until the last minute if we want to. If they're waiting on 29 for something else, too bad. They either won't get it, or (because we probably really do want Hibberd, whatever it takes) they'll get it with no time to complete their other trades.

I'd hate to have Dodoro at MFC.

32 minutes ago, ProDee said:

The last product they sold us took a year to fix.

They can wait a year this time.

We knew going in that would be the case.

 

I don't think Essendon are doing anything wrong here, they want this year's 2nd we want to give them next year's because we already gave away our 1st this year. Both clubs are trying to get the best deal, no one's being difficult it's just the way it is. 

We may end up giving them next year's 2nd but with a swap of later picks this year or some other sweetener thrown in.

Edited October 18, 20168 yr by Dr. Gonzo