14 minutes ago, McQueen said:

The Hawks are going to fall off the cliff next year.. They have zero A grade mids on the list once Hodge, Mitchell, Lewis and Burgoyne retire.

Strange choice for O'Meara.

 

 

They are all going around again next year Stevie. Might not be next year. They will bring in O'Mera who what do you know (like Burgoyne) his knee will bounce back, maybe Mitchell, then next trade period bring in some others and keep on playing finals footy. They need a fwd, without Roughy they have not been the same team.

On 18/08/2016 at 10:17 AM, Stretch Johnson said:

A fit O'Meara could take us from possible finalist to possible flag chance.

Sometimes you need to play the percentages and others you need to pull the trigger. 

Must have a close look at him.

 

Why, how many times have you seen him play in the last 2 years?  Being a top draft pick doesn't necessarily equate to being an instant star, we as a club should know that

7 minutes ago, AngryAtCasey said:

Freo trade Pick 3 to GWS for McCartny & Pick 7

Freo trade Pick 7 to Hawthorn for Hill & Pick 14 or 16 (dependent on if they loose this week or next week)

Hawthorn trade Pick 7 & Langford to Gold Coast for O'Meara

Hawthorn trade 2017 1st Round Pick & Schoenmakers to Sydney for Mitchell plus a 2nd or 3rd Round Pick in either draft.

Sadly I can see it happening.

Delete this post immediately before someone from Hawthorn sees it Angry!

 

Just now, Satyriconhome said:

Why, how many times have you seen him play in the last 2 years?  Being a top draft pick doesn't necessarily equate to being an instant star, we as a club should know that

Winning the Rising Star gives you an ok chance though...

 

24 minutes ago, Abe said:

If the Suns think he's worth two top 10 picks then i will be very interested to see what the Hawks think they have to give up for him.

How do they (the Hawks) do it. The trade blows ones mind but then you move to salary cap for a top team full of top grade players.

Amazing !!

Don't forget that, with Hawthorn's age profile, most of their older players cost them nothing in the salary cap. Like Geelong, they take advantage of the Veterans allowance, which allows a huge chunk of their wages to fall outside the salary cap. That means Mitchell, Hodge, Lewis, etc. cost them very little.

And as for them "falling off a cliff," unfortunately Geelong showed this year that you can prolong the inevitable by topping up with a few handy midfielders.

O'Meara is just as good as Dangerfield when fit, and far younger.

1 hour ago, SaberFang said:

It's sad that it's come to this, but I have to agree. Hawthorn will still end up picking him up for pick ~13-15 or so, which is an absolute bargain if he ever gets healthy.

I think they will offer players to GC and a pick.

18 minutes ago, AngryAtCasey said:

Freo trade Pick 3 to GWS for McCartny & Pick 7

Freo trade Pick 7 to Hawthorn for Hill & Pick 14 or 16 (dependent on if they loose this week or next week)

Hawthorn trade Pick 7 & Langford to Gold Coast for O'Meara

Hawthorn trade 2017 1st Round Pick & Schoenmakers to Sydney for Mitchell plus a 2nd or 3rd Round Pick in either draft.

Sadly I can see it happening.

Hill is not worth pick 7; Freo will get McCartney now for next to nothing & Langford is not worth a first rounder (GCS want two for O'Meara); are the only issues I see here.

Sydney will want picks, not Schoenmakers, and Hawthorn's late first round pick is probably not low enough. Plus with O'Meara, I cannot see Hawthorn affording both.

Edited September 13, 20168 yr by ickey_11

This really grinds my gears.

I am actually surprised that Hawthorn are into him, the due diligence on his injury recovery must be positive, they are not a team to take risks with recruiting    still wait and see though

I think I am almost at the stage of trading my life-long hatred of anything Carlton, with an emerging hatred for all things Hawthorn. I hope they fall off the cliff very hard very soon and they do a Richmond - no finals for 2 decades, or at least only losing ones. 

2 minutes ago, ickey_11 said:

Hill is not worth pick 7; Freo will get McCartney now for next to nothing & Langford is not worth a first rounder (GCS want two for O'Meara); are the only issues I see here.

Sydney will want picks, not Schoenmakers, and Hawthorn's late first round pick is probably not low enough. Plus with O'Meara, I cannot see Hawthorn affording both.

Agree Hill is not worth Pick 7, that's why there would be another 1st Rounder coming with him.  Hawthorn have already said they want a 1st Round Pick & Freo have no 2nd Rounder to try and use.

Also agree Langford is not worth a 1st Round Pick, but a mature midfielder & Pick 7 is probably a lot closer to currency for O'Meara given he hasn't been on the park in 2 years.  Two top 10 picks is dreaming.

As for Sydney, they're desperate for tall defenders & a 1st Round Pick to go with him is what they would want one would think.

6 minutes ago, SaberFang said:

Don't forget that, with Hawthorn's age profile, most of their older players cost them nothing in the salary cap. Like Geelong, they take advantage of the Veterans allowance, which allows a huge chunk of their wages to fall outside the salary cap. That means Mitchell, Hodge, Lewis, etc. cost them very little.

And as for them "falling off a cliff," unfortunately Geelong showed this year that you can prolong the inevitable by topping up with a few handy midfielders.

O'Meara is just as good as Dangerfield when fit, and far younger.

No, this is no longer correct - http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-08/new-veterans-rule-put-all-clubs-on-a-level-playing-field

 

13 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

How do they (the Hawks) do it. The trade blows ones mind but then you move to salary cap for a top team full of top grade players.

Amazing !!

You know, the media will immediately say that happens because the Hawks players play for less. Oh and yes, I grew 3 feet taller yesterday and then flew around the back yard.

5 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

I am actually surprised that Hawthorn are into him, the due diligence on his injury recovery must be positive, they are not a team to take risks with recruiting    still wait and see though

They do take risks 'Sat', think Garlett...very much a risk that didn't pay off.

There were another couple but I can't remember names.

Not all they touch turns to gold.

I think they are punting now, at the end of an era and not a lot of currency apart from the destination factor.

They haven't been game enough to make the big calls, going for one more flag might have just tipped them over.

I don't see Mitchell (Sydney version) as a saviour of their midfield, to me he is a vanilla kick getter and not much more. O'Meara fit is a jet but as we've seen with Trenners, 2 years out is a big ask.

Hopefully out of it this Friday night, straight sets and then the on the slide.

Edited September 13, 20168 yr by rjay

5 minutes ago, faultydet said:

You think the AFL would have intervened?

No, it would never have escalated that far.

It was pure speculation and nothing else.

 

40 minutes ago, AngryAtCasey said:

Freo trade Pick 3 to GWS for McCartny & Pick 7

Freo trade Pick 7 to Hawthorn for Hill & Pick 14 or 16 (dependent on if they loose this week or next week)

Hawthorn trade Pick 7 & Langford to Gold Coast for O'Meara

Hawthorn trade 2017 1st Round Pick & Schoenmakers to Sydney for Mitchell plus a 2nd or 3rd Round Pick in either draft.

Sadly I can see it happening.

I don't think there's any player that comes out and says where they want to go that's not already been in touch with the destination club to see if it can be done and if they're interested.

I just hope that GCS dig their heels in on O'Meara like GWS did with McCarthy.

Mind you, the PSD is a pointless tollgate for these players who state they will only play at their preferred destination club because preceeding clubs won't waste a pick on them.

The whole system is flawed.

10 minutes ago, rjay said:

They do take risks 'Sat', think Garlett...very much a risk that didn't pay off.

There were another couple but I can't remember names.

They also traded for Shaun Burgoyne, who supposedly had bone on bone in his left knee.  His knee woes were well documented at the time.

3 minutes ago, CP5 said:

They also traded for Shaun Burgoyne, who supposedly had bone on bone in his left knee.  His knee woes were well documented at the time.

Do you think a fair bit of mayonnaise was put on Burgoynes and possibly now JO'M knee troubles to assist in the negotiating?

3 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Do you think a fair bit of mayonnaise was put on Burgoynes and possibly now JO'M knee troubles to assist in the negotiating?

Are you suggesting that the Hawks wouldn't play it straight down the line, be sneaky even?

Edited September 13, 20168 yr by Redleg

16 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Are you suggesting that the Hawks wouldn't play it straight down the line, be sneaky even?

Pretty sure the practice is rife amongst several clubs.

 

Hawks can have him. Injury is a serious concern. Not worth the risk IMO. Not only won't O'Meara be the player that he was before injury, but it is highly likely he will break down again (and because of this injury). If talks break down between GC and Hawthorn, I hope we don't entertain O'Meara. We don't need to take the risk.

37 minutes ago, McQueen said:

I don't think there's any player that comes out and says where they want to go that's not already been in touch with the destination club to see if it can be done and if they're interested.

I just hope that GCS dig their heels in on O'Meara like GWS did with McCarthy.

Mind you, the PSD is a pointless tollgate for these players who state they will only play at their preferred destination club because preceeding clubs won't waste a pick on them.

The whole system is flawed.

It's all bluff, most players won't sit out a year or more if they don't like the club that drafted them.

54 minutes ago, CP5 said:

They also traded for Shaun Burgoyne, who supposedly had bone on bone in his left knee.  His knee woes were well documented at the time.

and drafted Ryan Burton most recently.

44 minutes ago, AngryAtCasey said:

Agree Hill is not worth Pick 7, that's why there would be another 1st Rounder coming with him.  Hawthorn have already said they want a 1st Round Pick & Freo have no 2nd Rounder to try and use.

Also agree Langford is not worth a 1st Round Pick, but a mature midfielder & Pick 7 is probably a lot closer to currency for O'Meara given he hasn't been on the park in 2 years.  Two top 10 picks is dreaming.

As for Sydney, they're desperate for tall defenders & a 1st Round Pick to go with him is what they would want one would think.

If Hawthorn are not going to get pick 7 for Hill, then how does this deal work then??