2 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

Dawes blah blah blah....

Dawes bleat bleat bleat.....

Dawes is REQUIRED to give a chop out to Hogan, Watts and our small forwards.

Let it go.

He had a bad day......everyone does.

He's also REQUIRED to have the skills and fitness to play in the AFL. If you think he's a required player we'll always be destined for 6-8 wins

2 minutes ago, Je Roos Salem said:

He's also REQUIRED to have the skills and fitness to play in the AFL. If you think he's a required player we'll always be destined for 6-8 wins

He had a bad day.

It happens.

I'll trust the FD on this one, rather than listen to the poisonous vitriol coming from 'supporters'.

15 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

The entire panel of On The Couch has just written Dawes off.  Was singled out as being the primary player that now must make way for the future as we can now not possibly play finals. 

But wait, I'm sure in the true spirit of  Demonland everyone on that Panel is a know nothing, has been [censored]. Oh well, best we ignore them and continue with this waste of space Dawes. 

Well if Jason Dunstall and Jonathan Brown said it then they clearly have no idea because Mumbo Jumbo said he is a required player.. 

1 minute ago, jumbo returns said:

He had a bad day.

It happens.

I'll trust the FD on this one, rather than listen to the poisonous vitriol coming from 'supporters'.

It worries me you think it was just "a bad day" 

7 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Well if Jason Dunstall and Jonathan Brown said it then they clearly have no idea because Mumbo Jumbo said he is a required player.. 

Well, if you think he's gone, plus Dunstall and Browny say it, that's it.....I'm sold!

Rofl.

7 minutes ago, JV7 said:

It worries me you think it was just "a bad day" 

Why? He'll get better.

Important to our structures and FD think so, too.

If he gets dropped, he gets dropped - but, in my personal humble opinion, he plays his role.

Just now, jumbo returns said:

He had a bad day.

It happens.

I'll trust the FD on this one, rather than listen to the poisonous vitriol coming from 'supporters'.

Have the FD commented on him recently? 

Also, this was more than just a bad day, the kind of groaning from the crowd implied that we're done with him

1 minute ago, Je Roos Salem said:

Have the FD commented on him recently? 

Also, this was more than just a bad day, the kind of groaning from the crowd implied that we're done with him

And the misgivings from my Collingwood mates - but, he is important.

There's no-one ready yet.

He just doesn't fit any more.Any blind man can see that.The team has gone past him,as it has with Garland and Dunn.

 

Just now, jumbo returns said:

Why? He'll get better.

Important to our structures and FD think so, too.

If he gets dropped, he gets dropped - but, in my personal humble opinion, he plays his role.

Because if you have watched Dawes for the past 4 years you'd be able to count on one hand the amount of games his actually played well. Like I said earlier, if his role is to jog around, drop marks, miss kicks & literally offer nothing then yeah his playing his role. I just can't see how anyone could watch him and be satisfied with what his dishing up... His 28 not 21, he won't get better. His best football which was mediocre at best is behind. Time for us to move on with Hulett & Weideman... It would be best for all parties if he made the call & said his body isn't up to it anymore. 

3 minutes ago, JV7 said:

Because if you have watched Dawes for the past 4 years you'd be able to count on one hand the amount of games his actually played well. Like I said earlier, if his role is to jog around, drop marks, miss kicks & literally offer nothing then yeah his playing his role. I just can't see how anyone could watch him and be satisfied with what his dishing up... His 28 not 21, he won't get better. His best football which was mediocre at best is behind. Time for us to move on with Hulett & Weideman... It would be best for all parties if he made the call & said his body isn't up to it anymore. 

He's had some good games - you're bitter based on Saturday's performance.

My vote is for him to stay in.

Hulett and Weeds are the future, but not next week.

Copped a fair spray ' On the Couch' from Jonathon Brown. Made the point he is very immobile, can't make a decision and doesn't do enough. Given we are not going to play finals so time to look elsewhere. I concur.

What the fk would Dunstall and Browny know? Couple of hack forwards who could barely get a game at lowly clubs. They are dead set wrong...

FMD.

30 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Well, if you think he's gone, plus Dunstall and Browny say it, that's it.....I'm sold!

Rofl.

Yeah your right.. Only a couple of ex spud forwards who talk complete drivel and no idea what they on about.. pfft..

My god you are seriously delusional.. Watching you continue to dig yourself a bigger hole is actually quite sad.

Edited July 4, 20169 yr by dazzledavey36

Used to think he provided on field leadership

Used to think he provided 'structure'

Used to think he could be a foil/decoy for Hogan

Used to think he could do the ruck work inside the forward 50

Used to think he could be 'useful'

Not any more - his time is up - cut our losses at seasons end and cut him loose

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Yeah your right.. Only a couple of ex spud forwards who talk complete drivel and no idea what they on about.. pfft..

My god you are seriously delusional.. Watching you continue to dig yourself a bigger hole is actually quite sad.

It's an opinion. Settle down....

I'm enjoying the debate.

And Browny and Dunstall have to say something....

Like I said, the future looks good, but the replacements aren't ready...yet.

I've had enough of this guy. He is finished, offers almost nothing, can't mark a freaking ball, and is using up a spot in the team I'd rather was going to youth (especially now any small chance of finals is well and truly finished).

i'd rather have dunny brush at chf than dawes, despite the fact that that would only be an interim solution until someone else was ready

apart from his poor form, his injury record would suggest he won't last the season out, so what is the point

I know Hogan recently said he was enjoying playing with Dawes but I really hope that's just in the sense it takes a larger defender away from him, Dawes as a player adds very little to the side IMO. I'm definitely one that says Pedo over Dawes, I wouldn't say Dunn over Dawes though. Pedo is just a goer and is not going to get any better but I think he adds more flexibility and for me has played more games of value in the last 12-18 months than Dawes has. 

I hope he is moved on at the end of the year, and if he isn't he should be on basically the smallest amount we can get him for. Failed trade for sure.

I don't think I'd go so far as calling it a failed trade. Anyone who thought he was going to be a messiah had obviously never seen him play at Collingwood. His best ever goal haul in a season was 30 in a premiership team no less. He was never going to win games off his own boot, he was acquired to give a young inexperienced team some structure. The fact it was expensive to get him is an utter irrelevance as it at no stage prevented us from re-signing a player we wanted to keep or acquiring a player we were chasing.

All that being said, I don't think he has deserved his spot for more than a season now. Pedo is a battler, but he has been superior for two seasons in pretty much every statistical category and is capable of relief rucking a few minutes each quarter. And now that finals are no longer an overly realistic target, we sacrifice little by giving both Hulett and Weideman a taste. Roos and co have seen fit to experiment with the AFL's least read tall defender for most of the season, I see no reason why they can't give the two young KPFs a taste at varying stages.

14 hours ago, daisycutter said:

anyone who can stand upright 

Brilliant. Top points for hilarity.

Cloke is struggling to get a game in the firsts, in a lesser team. He is 1000% better than Dawes. Shouldn't surprise anyone that Dawes place is being questioned. 

5 hours ago, Pitchy said:

Cloke is struggling to get a game in the firsts, in a lesser team. He is 1000% better than Dawes. Shouldn't surprise anyone that Dawes place is being questioned. 

Trade Dawes for Cloke? No, we have enough rubbish from Colonwood. 

21 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Trade Dawes for Cloke? No, we have enough rubbish from Colonwood. 

That's not even close to what he was suggesting.

Ignoring all the carry on, sadly Dawes was worth $2mil over 4 years to us at the stage we acquired him.