Oliver and Petracca are the future of this club.  We have seen what bad player management and development did to our kids in the past.  See Watts.  Thankfully he survived being bastardised in the past and is now repaying the faith.  I am confident in the way our Football Dept. is managing the kids.  Short term pain for long term gain.  We will get there

16 minutes ago, CBDees said:

Leading goal kicker yesterday along with Watts might be just one reason. Vanders and Watts were our only multiple goal kickers with 3.2 each. If Vanders hadn't played we would have lost to the Suns! Him and Watts each kicked three times the score of our only other (three) solo goal kickers.

and vanders should have had another shot on goal just after watt's final goal.....bloody blind maggots

On 5/8/2016 at 1:28 PM, Clint Bizkit said:

Oliver makes Melbourne a better team, it's rare that you can say that about any young player in any team.

Hence after 36 possesions is a must inclusion against the in and under Hawks! Harmes to make way!

Patience everybody.

For now Jones, Tyson, Viney and Brayshaw are the first picked inside mids.

Vince, M Jones and Stretch play on the wings. Harmes is doing a job at half back.

Anyone else has to play predominantly half forward. Kent, Petracca and Vanders are better at that.

That's 11 of 22. The other 11 are 1 ruck, 4 forwards, 6 defenders.

Now you can shuffle Vanders to a tall forward spot meaning we are undersized, Vince to half back and maybe Brayshaw to a wing and create room for Oliver to play on ball, but he still has to run out 60 or 70% of the game and make sure he's covering the ground. And yeah his clearance work and ball use in traffic is fantastic, but he wasn't getting many kicks at AFL level so it's hard to see if his kicking was developing. He also struggled to use his left hand handball. That was early in the year when he was fresh and was carrying a decent amount of muscle. 

He needs to improve his running and build muscle to last him through the year next year. Flogging him in to the ground now won't help that. We've seen that with Brayshaw.

3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Patience everybody.

For now Jones, Tyson, Viney and Brayshaw are the first picked inside mids.

Vince, M Jones and Stretch play on the wings. Harmes is doing a job at half back.

Anyone else has to play predominantly half forward. Kent, Petracca and Vanders are better at that.

That's 11 of 22. The other 11 are 1 ruck, 4 forwards, 6 defenders.

Now you can shuffle Vanders to a tall forward spot meaning we are undersized, Vince to half back and maybe Brayshaw to a wing and create room for Oliver to play on ball, but he still has to run out 60 or 70% of the game and make sure he's covering the ground. And yeah his clearance work and ball use in traffic is fantastic, but he wasn't getting many kicks at AFL level so it's hard to see if his kicking was developing. He also struggled to use his left hand handball. That was early in the year when he was fresh and was carrying a decent amount of muscle. 

He needs to improve his running and build muscle to last him through the year next year. Flogging him in to the ground now won't help that. We've seen that with Brayshaw.

Clarry is a better player than Brayshaw!

1 minute ago, picket fence said:

Clarry is a better player than Brayshaw!

Since he's come back in the last 3 weeks Brayshaw has been averaging 21 disposals, 10 kicks, 7 tackles, 73 supercoach points and getting better by the game.

Oliver averaged 18 disposals including 5 kicks, 4.5 tackles, 65 supercoach points.

I love Clarry, and I think he'll probably end up a better player than Brayshaw, but right now Brayshaw is contributing pretty well and holding his spot and I don't want to see Oliver having 2nd year blues like Brayshaw did this year because he was too tired by the time preseason started to build on next year.

3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Since he's come back in the last 3 weeks Brayshaw has been averaging 21 disposals, 10 kicks, 7 tackles, 73 supercoach points and getting better by the game.

Oliver averaged 18 disposals including 5 kicks, 4.5 tackles, 65 supercoach points.

I love Clarry, and I think he'll probably end up a better player than Brayshaw, but right now Brayshaw is contributing pretty well and holding his spot and I don't want to see Oliver having 2nd year blues like Brayshaw did this year because he was too tired by the time preseason started to build on next year.

Fair enough!! but I reckon Clarry's in and under is more dynamic and clearance breaking than Brayshaws!

In KC's review of Saturday's game, he  stated that he thought Oliver has grown since he was drafted. I saw him at the G at half time standing next to Liam Hulett and he didn't look to be much shorter. I'm predicting that by the time he matures and fills out he's going to be a midfield monster.

I watched the 2nd quarter on the Demon website and Oliver was very impressive.  I'd have him back in the side in a heartbeat.

15 hours ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Oliver and Petracca are the future of this club.  We have seen what bad player management and development did to our kids in the past.  See Watts.  Thankfully he survived being bastardised in the past and is now repaying the faith.  I am confident in the way our Football Dept. is managing the kids.  Short term pain for long term gain.  We will get there

 

I'm happy for Oliver to continue getting 35+ possessions at VFL level as he irons out his weaknesses/deficiencies while there.
I don't want our young players learning that being good at one or a few things means you can get a game without having to be a rounded player that does the hard things too.
No room in this side for any more Jordan Gysberts...

Clarry Choo Choo is going to tear Hawks a new one! With Gus and Viney, Chunky and Dom, this game will be the closest of the Round I'm tipping an upset Win Hawks overdue for a loss.

Bugg to wear Mitchell, Our mids to run RIOT!! Go Chooch!

 

Edited August 5, 20168 yr by picket fence

How about the one handed pick up and give off in one motion in the last...

We haven't had a player like this before.

 

On 04/08/2016 at 8:08 PM, picket fence said:

Clarry Choo Choo is going to tear Hawks a new one! With Gus and Viney, Chunky and Dom, this game will be the closest of the Round I'm tipping an upset Win Hawks overdue for a loss.

Bugg to wear Mitchell, Our mids to run RIOT!! Go Chooch!

 

Picket Fence or Nostradamus?   

His hands in close are the best in the AFL.

Thank you, Jason Taylor.

Seriously, what a gun.

It's not just his hands which are incredible, it's his decision making. He seriously picks the best option everytime.

Just now, Clint Bizkit said:

His hands in close are the best in the AFL.

Thank you, Jason Taylor.

23 disposals, and a team leading 11 tackles and 8 clearances.  Against Hawthorn. In a win. Turned 19 two weeks ago. 

The kid is special indeed

Picket is always right.

Redheaded Simon Black

What I liked is he had a poor first quarter but fought back in the best way possible. 

On ‎4‎/‎08‎/‎2016 at 8:08 PM, picket fence said:

Clarry Choo Choo is going to tear Hawks a new one! With Gus and Viney, Chunky and Dom, this game will be the closest of the Round I'm tipping an upset Win Hawks overdue for a loss.

Bugg to wear Mitchell, Our mids to run RIOT!! Go Chooch!

 

Nostradamus

 

Well done to the FD for sticking to their guns and allowing him to work on his game at VFL level.  Clearly paid us back in spades today.

1 hour ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Redheaded Simon Black

Black is a poor mans Clarry. 

Guts, lots of guts as a first year player to get up after the Rioli bump and the very next contest he was in over it again and got the clearance. Gun!

He's my favourite player already. His second quarter was huge. It was great to see him kicking more day too. He's a really good kick and if he can add more balance with handball to kick ratio he will be seriously good. Loved him smashing into the Hawks players and tackling like a maniac. 

Whether it was a fair bump or not (leaning towards not, in today's game) it was a [censored] huge bump, and I suspect lesser players would have struggled to get up from a hit like that. 

Yet this beast comes out in the next quarter and puts his stamp on the game. Bloody brilliant. 

Some of his dish-offs are ridiculous. They're like hawthorn ones, but they're actually handballs not throws.