FB: Jetta Dunn Garland
HB: Melksham T McDonald Salem
C: Vince Tyson Stretch
HF: Petracca Hogan Watts
FF: Garlett Dawes Kent
R: Gawn Jones Viney

INT: Brayshaw, vandenBerg, Trengove, Bugg

Depth (in order of call up):
DEF: Frost, Lumumba, White, Grimes, O McDonald, Terlich
MID: Michie, Neal-Bullen, Kennedy, Newton, M Jones
FWD: Pedersen, Harmes, Kennedy-Harris, King, Hunt
RUCK: Spencer

He's definitely gotten better and he gives us some sublime moments but it can't be denied that his overall contribution is still way too far and in-between. There is no doubt whatsoever though that his mistakes get heavily magnified, as they do for Dawes, and formally Toumpas. It's the DL whipping boy syndrome.

Yes I agree he can go missing at times, but I reckon with a stronger overall team this year he will look a lot better on the field. Because hopefully our better overall ball use will improve and he will have the ball fed to him a lot better. I also reckon that there is some dislike amongst the players for Jack Watts as he consistently gives good leads and is ignored, don't know whether just poor decision making or there is truly something wrong, don't actually know what it is all about but hopefully it is fixed because he offers a lot. Will be consistent best 22 by the end of 2016.

FB: Jetta Dunn Garland

HB: Melksham T McDonald Salem

C: Vince Tyson Stretch

HF: Petracca Hogan Watts

FF: Garlett Dawes Kent

R: Gawn Jones Viney

INT: Brayshaw, vandenBerg, Trengove, Bugg

Don't think that is far off. Perhaps Lumumba for Stretch (bigger bodied and giving concessions for the injury we recently found out Lumumba carried through year).

Also think Pederson offers more than Dawes, however, the powers that be seem to see it the other way.

I have had a look at the games played of the team you listed, which I think will be close, and compared it to the top four from 2015 as they played in the prelim finals. Results show just how lacking we are in experience, but that points to good times ahead if we can keep the group together. Also says west Coast are looking like the most likely of this bunch to have sustained success for the next 5 years or so with a big bunch of 100-150 gamers coming through, that may well be us in another 4 years or so (hopefully sooner).

Games MFC HFC FFC WCE NM

0-50 14 1 1 4 4

51-100 2 4 7 4 3

101-150 4 6 9 10 6

151-200 2 3 0 4 4

200+ 0 8 5 0 5

That is very interesting to look at. But I believe that is why Lumumba has to get a game he adds experience no one else has. Even though he has lost that yard of pace that he used to have at Collingwood (could be because of injury) he is still really damaging off half back and I think with more support from others he will be able to create the over lap run we desperately need. Because of lot of times throughout the year he would turn on the jets and break away but because we are quite slow of half back no one would be able to run with him to create that run and drive from half back. Something Western Bulldogs do really well. Same with NM, WCE, and FFC. If we can generate that run it will give Hogan more one on ones and jeffy more chances to run into open goals and will make us a heavily improved football side.

Edited October 23, 20159 yr by Daily Dose of Demons

I'm hopeful that Hunt can have a full pre-season. I know the family and the word was that Roos was grooming him for a HBF prior to a recurrence on his back problem. Has been given a 12 month contract. One issue may be a lack of height across that line unless Lumumba plays.

He's been given a 12 month contract? Are you sure? Do you mean a rookie contract or a full contract?

I'd rookie him, but I understand his potential so wouldn't gripe too hard if its full.

That is very interesting to look at. But I believe that is why Lumumba has to get a game he had adds experience no one else has. Even though he has lost that yard of pace that he used to have at Collingwood (could be because of injury) he is still really damaging off half back and I think with more support from others he will be able to create the over lap run we desperately need. Because of lot of times throughout the year he would turn on the jets and break away but because we are quite slow of half back no one would be able to run with him to create that run and drive from half back. Something Western Bulldogs do really well. Same with NM, WCE, and FFC. If we can generate that run it will give Hogan more one on ones and jeffy more chances to run into open goals and will make us a heavily improved football side.

Agreed, Maybe shift Salem to the wing and Lumumba onto a HBF. Takes out one 0-50 and adds a 200+. With that changes it looks as follows (I stuffed the formatting and it didn't pick up N Jones as 200+, hence there are now 2 in that category).

MFC HFC FFC WCE NM

0-50 12 1 1 4 4

51-100 2 4 7 4 3

101-150 4 6 9 10 6

151-200 2 3 0 4 4

200+ 2 8 5 0 5

FB: Jetta Dunn Garland

HB: Melksham T McDonald Salem

C: Vince Tyson Stretch

HF: Petracca Hogan Watts

FF: Garlett Dawes Kent

R: Gawn Jones Viney

INT: Brayshaw, vandenBerg, Trengove, Bugg

Depth (in order of call up):

DEF: Frost, Lumumba, White, Grimes, O McDonald, Terlich

MID: Michie, Neal-Bullen, Kennedy, Newton, M Jones

FWD: Pedersen, Harmes, Kennedy-Harris, King, Hunt

RUCK: Spencer

This is the side I agree with the most.

However, Lumumba will replace Stretch on the wing.

I would upgrade him in a heartbeat... I reckon he could really be something.

I agree with you here.Let's hope he gets an upgrade.

He's been given a 12 month contract? Are you sure? Do you mean a rookie contract or a full contract?

I'd rookie him, but I understand his potential so wouldn't gripe too hard if its full.

12 month contract ie his contract has been extended. My guess is that Roos likes his pace and disposal.

This is the side I agree with the most.

Any side with Dawes in it cant be taken seriously

Any side with Dawes in it cant be taken seriously

If anyone's the expert on not being taken seriously...

Dawes will be picked when fit. Get used to it like I have.

anyone can edit wikipedia Nasher, so don't believe everything you see there.

The MFC site has the correct spelling (you'd expect). Then again, you may just be trying to get a ride out of me?

I'm not winding you up mate. He was quoted on the MFC website during the year thay that is how he spells it. Believe me, I'm anal about spelling people's names right and wouldn't spell it like that unless I was sure.

Ed:

http://m.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-01-16/day-4-hot-dees-train-hard-on-camp

A handful of players in rehab have also endured a tough session, including new rookie Aaron vandenBerg (note the spelling he spells his surname with a lower case v and a capital B all one word).

I like the look of 200cm Max King. He's a forward/ruck. Played 8 games for Casey this year kicking 13 goals and taking 30 marks (15 contested). In fact, he's a really good mark and has neat kicking skills for a tall.

He's not quite ready. 1-2 years. Plays all of next year as a 20 year old.

Callum Sinclair came from Port, is 26 and has played 29 games. Sydney were very keen to take him off West Coast's hands. Like King, he's not a number one ruck, but more a forward/ruck.

It can take a while, but Max is tracking exceptionally well.

I honestly forgot about King when I posted. I think he's a good chance to debut next year. Still very raw looking but has good goal sense. Could be a third rookie list success story for us. Whether it's him or not we will need a 3rd goal kicker in 2016 if we're gonna get anywhere, a decent target whether it be Watts, Pedersen or Dunn

If anyone's the expert on not being taken seriously...

Dawes will be picked when fit. Get used to it like I have.

This thread is 'best 22' not 'most likely 22' though...

Dawes will be picked when fit. Get used to it like I have.

Not anymore.

It is Goodwins team now and he will shape the team for the big takeover.

Dawes will be on the scrapheap.

By the way, not having to think who the sub will be is amazing.

It's really good news for young players. Debuting as the sub particularly gave them no chance to prove themselves

Not anymore.

It is Goodwins team now and he will shape the team for the big takeover.

Dawes will be on the scrapheap.

Agree. He took ages to show any sort of form last season and I don't think we can wait for him to find form/fitness, we simply have to pick a disciplined team who can do the fundamentals and get a score on the board. Dawes drops marks and regularly shanks kicks and it was evident from the R2 GWS game that his mind wasn't on the job

This thread is 'best 22' not 'most likely 22' though...

You can um and ah over Pedo v Dawes but it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. It's a hole in the side that needs to be filled.

For the time being, Hogan likes playing with Dawes and he's first choice. You can place Pedersen there but it won't change the fact that Dawes is clearly ahead in the pecking order.

Edited October 23, 20159 yr by P-man

12 month contract ie his contract has been extended. My guess is that Roos likes his pace and disposal.

Interesting is true.. that now leaves Viv Michie as the only out of contract player.

Not anymore.

It is Goodwins team now and he will shape the team for the big takeover.

Dawes will be on the scrapheap.

Ok, mate.

2016 Rd 1 - if Dawes is fit he is playing for the Dees.

But continue thinking that Goodwin doesn't like him with zero evidence.

Wattsy on the HFF.....most damaging player going around!

Wattsy on the HFF.....most damaging player going around!

Not sure if serious...

Not sure if serious...

You know I love Wattsy, DD...I think he'll be very, very damaging next year.

Demons

FB: Jetta Dunn Garland

HB: Melksham TMac Salem

C: Tyson Vince Brayshaw

HF: Kent Pedersen Petracca

FF: Garlett Hogan Watts

R: Gawn Jones Viney

Int: Bugg, Frost, vandenBerg, Kennedy

Casey

FB: White OMac Terlich

HB: Lumumba Grimes

C: Stretch ANB Michie

HF: Harmes Dawes JKH

FF: Smith King Hunt

R: Spencer Trengove Newton

Int: MJones,

Wattsy on the HFF.....most damaging player going around!

I reckon he will sit himself out for round 1