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WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - CLAYTON OLIVER

Freddy Fuschia
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No, that's an observation.

What's your point ?

The knock on Wines in the draft (on here and elsewhere) was always; no upside, no class, no polish and Toumpas was seen as best available ( If Roos had the final say I think the outcome would have been different). Toumpas was always a smooth mover, looked good, not stilted or mechanical at all. Sorry, I can be a bit obtuse, first and foremost, we no longer recruit players who are not competitive and they usually have second and third efforts. We also seem to now pick players who are well developed in the lower body. For these reasons it wouldn't surprise me if Oliver was picked up, he wont look classy but that's not a term I've heard applied to Viney, Capt Chunk or Brayshaw. I'm pretty sure Clarkson has stated he would want Viney's attitude in every player he ever coached. Oliver appears to have a similar way, certainly Wines does and although Parish doesn't really fit the "build" he appears to have the attitude also. I'm not saying we should take Oliver at 3 but if we did I can understand why.
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    Oliver is strong over the ball but can't or doesn't kick on his left.

    When confronted and forced to use his left he will try and twist and turn out of traffic to get onto his right or get away a handball.

    It worked fine for him in the TAC cup as he can monster over other teens but I question how well he can keep it up against men, and how at times it may slow down or impair a set play.

    Dont think i have ever seen Ollie Wines kick on his opposite foot either.

    And for a matter of fact i have seen Oliver use his left foot on several occasions to get himself out of trouble and its definitely not an awkward style at all in fact its pretty fluent. And thats why i pointed out the touch of class he has in him which many have said he doesn't have.

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    Watts, Scully, Toumpas, Parish

    OR

    Dangerfield, Martin, Wines, Oliver

    You choose which type MFC should pursue.

    McKenzie, Valenti, Stark, Oliver

    OR

    S Burgoyne, Rioli, Deledio, Parish.

    You choose which type MFC should pursue.

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    Your comparision is ridiculous. Those rookie players never had class.

    (shall I say Dangerfield, Martin, Wines,Oliver vs. Nicholson, Evans, Rhys Healy, Cam Johnston). Fu#$@$.

    My point was bonafide top 10 picks. The silk or the competitor. That's the call. That's the point

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    If being a bull is the only prerequisite to being an elite junior AFL midfielder, draft an NRL player.

    Parish though just has to be number 3. For an AFL club.

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    McKenzie was a competitor.

    So Parish 2 time AA v Oliver didn't play a game for Vic Country.

    That's a big call..

    Exactly. Oliver couldn't even get a game for Vic Country.

    I don't get the love.

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    Exactly. Oliver couldn't even get a game for Vic Country.

    I don't get the love.

    The Vic Country stuff is irrelevant. He clearly wasn't the same player when carrying a bit of weight, battling OP and building fitness in the first half of the year.

    Look at these stats:

    http://www.foxsportspulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=197829314&client=1-118-10450-339768-20320221&ocompID=339768

    Second half of the year he's hitting the scoreboard regularly, taking more marks, drastically increasing his kick to handball ratio.

    And after his 2 game stint in the VFL he reels off 3 best on grounds and then two 2nd best on grounds to finish the season.

    I'm not saying I know the answers on whether he's the right pick or not but the Vic Country stuff doesn't bother me at all.

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    Agreed.

    Remember Dangerfield was a punt for the Crows at pick 10. Many had the 17yo Geelong Anglesea boy at 14-20 in his year. "Burst of pace but needs more posessions" !!!!

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    The Vic Country stuff is irrelevant. He clearly wasn't the same player when carrying a bit of weight, battling OP and building fitness in the first half of the year.

    Look at these stats:

    http://www.foxsportspulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=197829314&client=1-118-10450-339768-20320221&ocompID=339768

    Second half of the year he's hitting the scoreboard regularly, taking more marks, drastically increasing his kick to handball ratio.

    And after his 2 game stint in the VFL he reels off 3 best on grounds and then two 2nd best on grounds to finish the season.

    I'm not saying I know the answers on whether he's the right pick or not but the Vic Country stuff doesn't bother me at all.

    Lots of scrubbers win a Morrish Medal.

    This guy leaves me cold.

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    Your comparision is ridiculous. Those rookie players never had class.

    (shall I say Dangerfield, Martin, Wines,Oliver vs. Nicholson, Evans, Rhys Healy, Cam Johnston). Fu#$@$.

    My point was bonafide top 10 picks. The silk or the competitor. That's the call. That's the point

    Riley Dunn, David Trotter, Luke Molan and Clayton Oliver

    OR

    Brett Deledio, Chris Judd, Brendan Goddard and Darcy Parish.

    You choose which type MFC should pursue.

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    Parish being compared to players like Toumpas and even Aish, which hasn't been said on here is completely ridiculous due to his contested ball numbers.

    Parish is probably the 3rd best mid in the draft and Oliver the 5th dependent on people's ratings, but that's how I have it.

    That said, I think Oliver has chance to make a more immediate impact but Parish is a 2-3 year prospect before consistent AFL!!

    Il take either of them though and even both ...

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    Watts, Scully, Toumpas, Parish

    OR

    Dangerfield, Martin, Wines, Oliver

    You choose which type MFC should pursue.

    Petracca, Brayshaw, Salem, Hogan.
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    Your comparision is ridiculous. Those rookie players never had class.

    (shall I say Dangerfield, Martin, Wines,Oliver vs. Nicholson, Evans, Rhys Healy, Cam Johnston). Fu#$@$.

    My point was bonafide top 10 picks. The silk or the competitor. That's the call. That's the point

    Ok then, better not forget Cotchin, Deledio, Macrae, Bartel, Heppell and Polec. All of which you could name next to Parish.

    Then on the contradicting side there's Rich, Palmer, Ellis, X. Clarke, and Sylvia.

    Comparing a U18 prospect in this manner is ridiculous, and the argument is very easy to twist.

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    Your comparision is ridiculous. Those rookie players never had class.

    (shall I say Dangerfield, Martin, Wines,Oliver vs. Nicholson, Evans, Rhys Healy, Cam Johnston). Fu#$@$.

    My point was bonafide top 10 picks. The silk or the competitor. That's the call. That's the point

    Neither are mutually exclusive...

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    based on these highlights, I have made the decision to re-draft Jordie McKenzie at pick 3. smooth as silk on the run and very good goal sneak. highlights don't lie people.

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    based on these highlights, I have made the decision to re-draft Jordie McKenzie at pick 3. smooth as silk on the run and very good goal sneak. highlights don't lie people.

    He loved playing against Brisbane.

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    Both the Dees and Dons have big wraps for this kid. Will need to pull the pin at 3

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    Oliver looks good playing for Murray but I just think its bloody risky to pick a bloke in the top 3 who didnt get selected to play championships

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    Oliver looks good playing for Murray but I just think its bloody risky to pick a bloke in the top 3 who didnt get selected to play championships

    Sound like a university saying it's to risky to take a kid who didn't go to a private school as they had hardship during the entry exam period

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    I've been told we are very interested in Oliver.

    Not my preference, but will take it in my stride if he becomes a Dee.

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    I've been told we are very interested in Oliver.

    Not my preference, but will take it in my stride if he becomes a Dee.

    We will get 2 of Oliver, Parish, Curnow and Weiderman. Essendon the other 2

    Both will take one tall and one mid. So it may depend on the descepency between the 2 miss being bigger then the 2 talls.

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    Oliver looks good playing for Murray but I just think its bloody risky to pick a bloke in the top 3 who didnt get selected to play championships

    He didn't get selected because of OP.

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    Most complete mid in this draft who is available. dont [censored] around and draft him.

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