Wattsy would also go well on the vast spaces over in the West, where his pace & kicking would be very handy.

You can do well in the mining industry I here as well. He'd probably go best in administration tho he doesn't like to get dirty.

We aren't going to land shiel without offering him the mother of all contracts and there is no guarentee that even if he agreed to come to us that Jeremy Howe and or first pick would be enough, I think we'd be better off trying to get a couple of blokes from the next Teir down and developing that superstar from within

Howe and our first pick for coniglio and tommlinson??

well if we want to build a great engine room, we have to get these types, & gut runners.

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the problem is we go after players when they have already blossomed... instead of getting them when they are into their careers, but a bit home sick... early on.

look back at Boak, Danger, & others... we could have shown real interest & zest for them about 5 yrs back, when they were homesick, but lucky for them we didn't, at that time.

now we are in better hands managing the list, we should be into trades heavily for talent wanting to come home.

.... here are some players to look at come 2015 years end, apparently said to be out of contract at this time? some may be a good fit for us?

no doubt there will be other potential trades amongst still contracted players, still within other clubs lists.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/players-out-of-contract-at-the-end-of-2015.1094897/

Adelaide: Richard Douglas (UFA), Scott Thompson (UFA), Brent Reilly (UFA), Patrick Dangerfield (RFA), Rory Sloane, Cameron Ellis-Yolmen, Luke Brown, Matthew Wright, Mitchell Grigg, Rory Laird, Sam Kerridge, Andy Otten, James Podsiadly, Riley Knight, Kyle Hartigan?, Matt Crouch, Sam Siggins, Rory Atkins, Tom Lynch, Jack Osborne, Sam Shaw, Brodie Martin, Anthony Wilson, Riley O'Brien, Keenan Ramsay, Jake Kelly

Brisbane: Jed Adcock (UFA), Matthew Leuenberger (RFA), Ryan Harwood, James Aish, Rohan Bewick, Brent Staker, Matt Maguire, Jackson Paine?, Matthew Hammelman, Mitch Golby, Billy Evans, Hugh Beasley

Carlton: Andrew Carrazzo (UFA), Chris Judd (RFA), Matthew Kreuzer (RFA), Matthew Watson, Robert Warnock, Cameron Giles, Nick Holman, Lachie Henderson, Mark Whiley?, Dennis Armfield, Andrejs Everitt (trigger clause), Simon White, David Ellard

Collingwood: Sam Dwyer, Brent Macaffer, Matthew Scharenberg, Clinton Young, Nathan Freeman, Lachlan Keefe*, Josh Thomas*, Tony Armstrong, Ben Sinclair, Patrick Karnezis, Paul Seedsman, Adam Oxley, Corey Gault

Essendon: Brent Stanton (UFA), Jason Winderlich (UFA), Dustin Fletcher (UFA), Tom Bellchambers (RFA), Courtenay Dempsey (RFA), Mark Baguley, Alex Browne, Jake Carlisle, Paul Chapman, Lauchlan Dalgleish, Orazio Fantasia, James Gwilt, Will Hams, Elliott Kavanagh, Jake Melksham, Jackson Merrett, Nicholas O'Brien, Tayte Pears, Kurt Aylett, Jake Long, Shaun McKernan, Conor McKenna, Ariel Steinberg

Fremantle: Matthew Pavlich (UFA), Aaron Sandilands (UFA), Ryan Crowley (UFA), Paul Duffield (RFA), Jonathon Griffen, Anthony Morabito, Max Duffy, Matthew De Boer, Tommy Sheridan, Zac Clarke, Hayden Crozier, Matthew Taberner, Michael Apeness, Brady Grey, Alex Pearce

Geelong: Jimmy Bartel (UFA), Andrew Mackie (UFA), James Kelly (UFA), Steve Johnson (UFA), Matthew Stokes (UFA), Corey Enright (UFA), Tom Hawkins (RFA), Billie Smedts, Jake Kolodjashnij, Daniel Menzel, Darcy Lang, Sam Blease, Dawson Simpson?, Hamish McIntosh, Josh Cowan, Jordan Murdoch?, Jed Bews, Jared Rivers, Cameron Guthrie?, Nathan Vardy, Steven Motlop, Josh Walker?, Jared Janson, Michael Luxford, Tom Read, Shane Kersten, Jackson Thurlow, James Toohey, Zac Bates, Cameron Delaney, Mark Blicavs. (Unsure how accurate this is, it seems like way too many out of contract in one year)

Gold Coast: Zac Smith, Andrew Boston, Daniel Gorringe, Rory Thompson, Henry Schade, Charlie Dixon, Clay Cameron, Aaron Hall, Michael Rischitelli, Jesse Lonergan, Josh Hall, Seb Tape, Andrew Raines, Keegan Brooksby, Josh Glenn, Greg Broughton, Tyrone Downie, Louis Herbert, Adam Saad, Jarred Ellis

GWS: Stephen Coniglio, Dylan Shiel, Rhys Palmer, Tomas Bugg, Nathan Wilson, Adam Treloar, Matthew Buntine, Zach Williams, Jacob Townsend, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Dylan Addison, Sam Schulz

Hawthorn: Matthew Suckling, Ben McEvoy?, Taylor Duryea?, Brendan Whitecross, Jonathon O'Rourke?, Brian Lake, David Hale, Ryan Schoenmakers, Will Langford, Jonathon Simpkin, Sam Grimley, Jed Anderson, Alex Woodward, Billy Hartung

Melbourne: Mark Jamar (UFA), Colin Garland (RFA), Daniel Cross, Jack Fitzpatrick, Max Gawn, James Harmes, Jeremy Howe, Jayden Hunt, Max King, Jordie McKenzie, Cameron Pederson, Jimmy Toumpas, Jack Trengove, Aaron Vandenberg, Mitchell White, Dean Terlich

North Melbourne: Drew Petrie (UFA), Brent Harvey (UFA), Michael Firrito (UFA), Scott McMahon (UFA), Nathan Grima, Sam Wright, Kieran Harper, Robbie Tarrant, Aaron Mullett, Bradley McKenzie, Majak Daw, Daniel Currie, Luke McDonald, Trent Dumont, Sam Jacobs, Kayne Turner, Eric Wallace

Port Adelaide: Kane Cornes (UFA), Tom Logan (UFA), Kane Mitchell, Matthew Broadbent, John Butcher, Tom Clurey, Mason Shaw, Jarman Impey, Andrew Moore, Jay Schulz, Mitch Harvey, Jarrad Redden, Brendan Ah Chee, Johann Wagner, Daniel Flynn, Sam Gray, Sam Russell, Nathan Krakouer

Richmond: Chris Newman (UFA), Nathan Foley (UFA), Alex Rance (UFA), Dylan Grimes, Shaun Grigg, Matt Dea, Ricky Petterd, Chris Knights, Kamdyn McIntosh, Ben Lennon, Matthew McDonough, Nathan Gordon, Sam Lloyd, Todd Elton, Taylor Hunt

St. Kilda: Sam Gilbert (UFA), Sam Fisher (UFA), Arryn Sipposs, Dylan Roberton, Farren Ray, Tom Simpkin, Sean Dempster, Lewis Peirce, Spencer White, Darren Minchington, Daniel Markworth, Cameron Shenton, Joseph Baker-Thomas, Jason Holmes, Jack Sinclair, Adam Schneider, Ahmed Saad, Brenton Payne

Sydney: Heath Grundy (UFA), Adam Goodes (UFA), Ted Richards (UFA), Rhyce Shaw, Aliir Aliir, Jordan Foote, George Hewett, Brandon Jack, Kieran Jack, Lewis Jetta, Alex Johnson, Harrison Marsh, Lewis Melican, Sean McLaren, Sam Naismith, Toby Nankervis, Nic Newman, Lloyd Perris, Daniel Robinson

West Coast: Sam Butler (UFA), Scott Selwood, Sharrod Wellingham, Xavier Ellis, Josh Hill, Jamie Cripps, Simon Tunbridge, Dominic Sheed, Malcolm Karpany, Dylan Maine, Tom Barrass, Patrick McGinnity, Fraser McInness, Murray Newman, Rowen Powell, Will Maginness

Western Bulldogs: Matthew Boyd (UFA), Robert Murphy (UFA), Jack Redpath, Jarrad Grant, Mitch Wallis, Fletcher Roberts, Michael Talia, Dale Morris, Liam Picken, Ayce Cordy, Josh Prudden, Sam Darley, Matthew Fuller, Mitch Honeychurch, Daniel Pearce, Roarke Smith, Brett Goodes, Jordan Kelly

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/players-out-of-contract-at-the-end-of-2015.1094897/

how is it that the threads are merged but the key to the 2015 out of contracts post, gets lost in the depths of that merger? this post is the key to being able to see at a glance who most of the players un-contracted are.

so this post should be attached to the very first post, so its easy to access.

Realistic targets off of that OOC list would include.

Jacob Townsend, Matt Buntine, Andrew Moore, and Nathan Gordon.

Of those, I would be specifically targeting Buntine and Moore, then would settle on the other 2.

That would be a good start, I think it's practical.

Outside of those, we'd have to pay massive overs.

This trade season, the key will be - patience. Allow the chips to fall as they may, then pick up the scraps.
I think players like Townsend, Buntine, Corr, and others, could be forced out for cheap towards the back end of the trade period.

Whatever the case, MFC have to do what other clubs aren't doing. If MFC chases a big time player, it will have to be Kelly, Whitfield, or someone with scope to improve.

It is unlikely we will prize out Treloar, Shiel, Dangerfield or Sloane. But, Kelly and Whitfield are - what Shiel and Treloar were coming into last trade period.

But, IMO, that is all fairly ambitious, and I'd be happy to settle with Buntine, Moore, Townsend or Gordon.

Another target that might come into calculations is Tomlinson.

Realistic targets off of that OOC list would include.

Jacob Townsend, Matt Buntine, Andrew Moore, and Nathan Gordon.

Of those, I would be specifically targeting Buntine and Moore, then would settle on the other 2.

That would be a good start, I think it's practical.

Outside of those, we'd have to pay massive overs.

This trade season, the key will be - patience. Allow the chips to fall as they may, then pick up the scraps.

I think players like Townsend, Buntine, Corr, and others, could be forced out for cheap towards the back end of the trade period.

Whatever the case, MFC have to do what other clubs aren't doing. If MFC chases a big time player, it will have to be Kelly, Whitfield, or someone with scope to improve.

It is unlikely we will prize out Treloar, Shiel, Dangerfield or Sloane. But, Kelly and Whitfield are - what Shiel and Treloar were coming into last trade period.

But, IMO, that is all fairly ambitious, and I'd be happy to settle with Buntine, Moore, Townsend or Gordon.

Another target that might come into calculations is Tomlinson.

Sorry, Ding....no way!

Cannot stay on the park - Gumbletonesque like.

Big, big no....if we can snare a come home player from Port, I'd rather go for Aaron Young....

Thanks Nasher, easier to follow for everyone.

We might have targets but why TF would they want to come here?

We might have targets but why TF would they want to come here?

We will win between 6-8 games, showing clear signs of improvement and that, along with a big contract, may do it.

We will win between 6-8 games, showing clear signs of improvement and that, along with a big contract, may do it.

The contract bit I can believe, the rest, well....

I don't think we will win more than 2014, maybe 5 at most. Sorry Adam.

Edited May 31, 201510 yr by Moonshadow

Let's revisit this in a few months, mate.

Must be bold like the Dogs were with Tom Boyd and open the cheque book for a blue chip midfielder.

While the jury is out on Boyd, they at least went out and made a big play to fill a gaping long term hole in their lineiup

We need to do the same.

Edited May 31, 201510 yr by hogans_heroes

Must be bold like the Dogs were with Tom Boyd and open the cheque book for a blue chip midfielder.

While the jury is out on Boyd, they at least went out and made a big play to fill a gaping long term hole in their lineiup

We need to do the same.

Look at how it helped Carlton.

Opening your cheque book and giving up everything for a player doesn't work. The Blues tried it with Judd and it netted them a couple of finals appearance and now on the back end a whole lot of pain on the way. We would have one gun player but miss out on a number of other options, in the end building a side that is unable to challenge for a flag but can finish in the lower half of the 4.

The only way to build a premiership side is to draft well and trade smart. Roos knows this so I'm confident he will bring in more talent this off season but no way will he give up everything for one player.

Will Hoskin-Elliott has re-signed with GWS.

He was one of the ones expected to walk.

i dont think its the case of simply opening a chequebook for the benefit of ONE player its the loosening of the wallet in oder to pay overs for 2-3 to come to us. They wont otherwise. GWS is getting a sniff of finals. We only get that if we're down wind of someone !!

Look at how it helped Carlton.

I think a Judd-like trade for an established star could be a mistake.

I'd much rather a tested budding talent that essentially saves us a couple of years development, and has exposed form but is not yet the finished article.

Much like the Dom Tyson deal.

I'd throw the kitchen sink at Whitfield. I'd be trying to tempt Prestia or Coniglio.

Put in a call to James Aish. 2-4 years in should be the aim.

You can do well in the mining industry I here as well. He'd probably go best in administration tho he doesn't like to get dirty.

No chief Traffic pointer is more his go

Opening your cheque book and giving up everything for a player doesn't work. The Blues tried it with Judd and it netted them a couple of finals appearance and now on the back end a whole lot of pain on the way. We would have one gun player but miss out on a number of other options, in the end building a side that is unable to challenge for a flag but can finish in the lower half of the 4.

The only way to build a premiership side is to draft well and trade smart. Roos knows this so I'm confident he will bring in more talent this off season but no way will he give up everything for one player.

your just guessing that 'x' player in his 3rd or 4th season, will get $M1.5 mill a year.... nothing ventured nothing got.

this is the sort of thinking that has kept us down... too many over-conservative types have wrung this club, over the last few decades, & this is another reason why e'd stole the best location for a footy development dept', from under our own noses. We had no go in us at all. & look how the pies have traveled since.

........ we have to wake up in the coffins we've been asleep in, & rise up & take the game on... we haven't been dead, we've been hiding. & copping plenty.

arise the Demons.

No chief Traffic pointer is more his go

all the weak kneed types, all lineup behind one another, but none have any real go, or ticker; they all just push one another forward, & say you go.

all watts's & gysbert types.

No chief Traffic pointer is more his go

all the weak kneed types, all lineup behind one another, but none have any real go, or ticker; they all just push one another forward, & say you go.

all watts's & gysbert types.

Wonder if we are on of the cubs? Hed make an awesome pairing with Jesse, but he has the WADA stuff hanging over his head

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-01/rivals-showing-a-lot-of-interest-in-bomber-jake-carlisle

Wonder if we are on of the cubs? Hed make an awesome pairing with Jesse, but he has the WADA stuff hanging over his head

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-01/rivals-showing-a-lot-of-interest-in-bomber-jake-carlisle

Id put him in the backline to be honest, and replace dunn/fitzpatrick.. AA full back playing forward.. he is only average up forward, but at 200cm he is exactly what id want back there.

Wonder if we are on of the cubs? Hed make an awesome pairing with Jesse, but he has the WADA stuff hanging over his head

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-01/rivals-showing-a-lot-of-interest-in-bomber-jake-carlisle

We have heard the rumour of being interested in him in the past.

Goodwin & McCartney provide strong links.

brisbane is the one throwing big coin at him.

alex rance's moves could impact everything. he stays with the tiggas, he goes on holidays for a year, he walks from the tiggas - all could have massive impact on other trading options. richmond will be screaming bloody murder if they lose him as we lost chip, simply as he wasn't in the top 10 paid players in his out-of-contract year.

the big difference is that we planned for chip to go. richmond's defence is built around rance.

Id put him in the backline to be honest, and replace dunn/fitzpatrick.. AA full back playing forward.. he is only average up forward, but at 200cm he is exactly what id want back there.

Sure he is more proven at CHB than as a KPF, but he would be better than Dawes playing forward. No harm in having a quality swing man either.

I'd see Tomlinson as more gettable though, even though he is smaller. He'd be easier to complete a successful trade too, as Essendrug are notorious to deal with.