We aren't going to land shiel without offering him the mother of all contracts and there is no guarentee that even if he agreed to come to us that Jeremy Howe and or first pick would be enough, I think we'd be better off trying to get a couple of blokes from the next Teir down and developing that superstar from within

Howe and our first pick for coniglio and tommlinson??

Fwd options

Lachie Henderson Blues

Liam McBean Tigers

mids

Dion Prestia Suns

Rucks

Jonathan Griffin Dockers

draft guns

Darcy Tucker ...Simon Black type midfielder

Sam Weideman ... agile tall CHF to compliment Jesse Hogan

Henderson is a good Centre Half Back and an average Centre Half Forward.

I still think Josh Kelly and Lachie Whitfield should be our targets.

I understand they are both still in contract, but so was Boyd.

GWS will be under pressure to fit all these players in, they will need to let some go.

The bidding war for Shiel will ensure some promising players will be squeezed out.

conca is a bit like toumpas - too slow, not skilled, insipid.

doesn't have the capacity to really run thru midfield, nor the defensively accountability to play half-back rebound role.

stuck in that awkward position of between being an outstanding junior talent and lacking the ability to convert that to the afl.

wouldn't go near him personally.

Yep I remember it all looks easy when you are only 18. The hardest thing I ever did was play in the seniors (Rugby) at 19 It was like I wasn't prepared for the game at all

I can understand the allure of Howe for some highlights and Garland as a solid medium defender.

Not sure what they would do with Dawes however, he'd be about fifth in line for a forward spot there

good point 'deeko', I was thinking of what we have to offer, & Dawes came to mind as an after thought. your right Dawes would suit other clubs better than the Giants.

Can't imagine watts slotting in up there, but could see him on the Gold Coast.

Wattsy would also go well on the vast spaces over in the West, where his pace & kicking would be very handy.

however Wattsy may come good in RednBlue yet.

Henderson is a good Centre Half Back and an average Centre Half Forward.

& thats why he's ideal as the 2nd forward to Hogan. with another like a Pederson or Frost helping out up forward. it gives us the versatility that will see us in good sted. we would have 2 players who can play 2nd tall forward or tall back, & also help in the ruck.

this allows us to go in with maybe less talls & more quicks.

we need someone like Henderson.

Edited May 28, 201510 yr by dee-luded

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I'm beginning to think that Coniglio might be more gettable than Shiel or Treloar - GWS will put up the mother of all battles to keep those two, which might squeeze out the likes of Coniglio.

The attraction for Coniglio of coming to us is that he's in the first level of on-ballers, not a flanker changing on the ball when the first level need a break.

GWS have so many high draft pick mids that their second tier is enormous. They won't all be content to play second fiddle.

I'm beginning to think that Coniglio might be more gettable than Shiel or Treloar - GWS will put up the mother of all battles to keep those two, which might squeeze out the likes of Coniglio.

The attraction for Coniglio of coming to us is that he's in the first level of on-ballers, not a flanker changing on the ball when the first level need a break.

GWS have so many high draft pick mids that their second tier is enormous. They won't all be content to play second fiddle.

Our first pick will likely be sitting around number 5 which I'd be more than happy to trade for Coniglio. Isn't he good mates with Tyson as well?

I still think Josh Kelly and Lachie Whitfield should be our targets.

I understand they are both still in contract, but so was Boyd.

GWS will be under pressure to fit all these players in, they will need to let some go.

The bidding war for Shiel will ensure some promising players will be squeezed out.

I'd be absolutely stunned if GWS were to let Kelly go.

They really rate him, and I think wrapped him up till about 2017 as soon as they could.

Sloane about to re-sign with Crows

So much for the Saints rumour

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/adelaide-crows/sloane-close-to-deal-with-adelaide-20150528-ghc281.html

I think we still lack some speed and composure through the midfield. With Jones, Vince, Vanders, Brayshaw and Viney we now have a bit of midfield grunt but some breakaway speed from the contest and precision kicking from the middle would be perfect. Maybe look for a Isaac Smith sort of running wingman. I don't know how many/if any are available but Kent is the only one in that mould that we currently have.

& thats why he(Henderson)'s ideal as the 2nd forward to Hogan. with another like a Pederson or Frost helping out up forward. it gives us the versatility that will see us in good sted. we would have 2 players who can play 2nd tall forward or tall back, & also help in the ruck.

this allows us to go in with maybe less talls & more quicks.

we need someone like Henderson.

Frankly we don't need another versatile CHF/CHB type as we already have Pederson, Frost and now Fitzy who fill that role. We are better to focus on adding another mid such as Josh Kelly or Coniglio

I'm beginning to think that Coniglio might be more gettable than Shiel or Treloar - GWS will put up the mother of all battles to keep those two, which might squeeze out the likes of Coniglio.

The attraction for Coniglio of coming to us is that he's in the first level of on-ballers, not a flanker changing on the ball when the first level need a break.

GWS have so many high draft pick mids that their second tier is enormous. They won't all be content to play second fiddle.

are we already giving up on the hard battles?

this attitude is what got us our financial plights. no entrepreneurial spirit. we just raise the drawbridge & keep others away. including our peasant supporters; they leave to go elsewhere, & voila, we are where we are.

smash down that wall & drawbridge, & let people IN. & recruits.

Frankly we don't need another versatile CHF/CHB type as we already have Pederson, Frost and now Fitzy who fill that role. We are better to focus on adding another mid such as Josh Kelly or Coniglio

my goodness me, you must be kidding. we're not playing to be in the vfl, & we are not building for a successful 8th AFL spot, as our ultimate aim... we are building for ongoing success..

Of course we need Henderson.

Edited May 29, 201510 yr by dee-luded

If we can win 8+ games this year and continue to improve, its a validation that the trade, draft and development approach that Roo's and co have put in place is working. So why dump this strategy and join the rest of the league in a bidding war for a big name star?

We should present our case to all potential recruits but continue to be very canny in how we spend our draft currency...

If we're lucky a big name will look across a dozen offers and for some reason ours will appeal, if not we'll content ourselves with another helping of the next Brayshaw, VandenBurg, Frost, Garlett and Lumumba...

The wheel is turning.

Edited May 29, 201510 yr by PaulRB

A very good midfielder. I don't care who just get a good one.

We have one waiting in the wings Petracca and fingers crossed Trengove. If things go our way if we can land 1 more then that 3 in our string 22 for next year.

That light at the end of the tunnel maybe be closer than some think.

A very good midfielder. I don't care who just get a good one.

we need that good midfielder as well, as well as that Henderson. compliments Frost, & Pedo is OK, but not going to help get a flag... it seems at this point anyway. He may surprise further, but more likely he is at his best, or near to it.

now is the right time for us to go hammers & tongs for the mature recruits. we are starting to come out of the dilemma's we have been thru, the list is mostly cleansed from the bruise-less, & the others need further youngish leaders in the 24-25 yr bracket.

our list is pretty weak in the 26 - 28 yr bracket so we will get some hickups in the next 2 - 3 seasons time.

so we requires a couple of good players in the +-25yr olds, & some about 21-22 yrs

.... here are some players to look at come 2015 years end, apparently said to be out of contract at this time? some may be a good fit for us?

no doubt there will be other potential trades amongst still contracted players, still within other clubs lists.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/players-out-of-contract-at-the-end-of-2015.1094897/

Adelaide: Richard Douglas (UFA), Scott Thompson (UFA), Brent Reilly (UFA), Patrick Dangerfield (RFA), Rory Sloane, Cameron Ellis-Yolmen, Luke Brown, Matthew Wright, Mitchell Grigg, Rory Laird, Sam Kerridge, Andy Otten, James Podsiadly, Riley Knight, Kyle Hartigan?, Matt Crouch, Sam Siggins, Rory Atkins, Tom Lynch, Jack Osborne, Sam Shaw, Brodie Martin, Anthony Wilson, Riley O'Brien, Keenan Ramsay, Jake Kelly

Brisbane: Jed Adcock (UFA), Matthew Leuenberger (RFA), Ryan Harwood, James Aish, Rohan Bewick, Brent Staker, Matt Maguire, Jackson Paine?, Matthew Hammelman, Mitch Golby, Billy Evans, Hugh Beasley

Carlton: Andrew Carrazzo (UFA), Chris Judd (RFA), Matthew Kreuzer (RFA), Matthew Watson, Robert Warnock, Cameron Giles, Nick Holman, Lachie Henderson, Mark Whiley?, Dennis Armfield, Andrejs Everitt (trigger clause), Simon White, David Ellard

Collingwood: Sam Dwyer, Brent Macaffer, Matthew Scharenberg, Clinton Young, Nathan Freeman, Lachlan Keefe*, Josh Thomas*, Tony Armstrong, Ben Sinclair, Patrick Karnezis, Paul Seedsman, Adam Oxley, Corey Gault

Essendon: Brent Stanton (UFA), Jason Winderlich (UFA), Dustin Fletcher (UFA), Tom Bellchambers (RFA), Courtenay Dempsey (RFA), Mark Baguley, Alex Browne, Jake Carlisle, Paul Chapman, Lauchlan Dalgleish, Orazio Fantasia, James Gwilt, Will Hams, Elliott Kavanagh, Jake Melksham, Jackson Merrett, Nicholas O'Brien, Tayte Pears, Kurt Aylett, Jake Long, Shaun McKernan, Conor McKenna, Ariel Steinberg

Fremantle: Matthew Pavlich (UFA), Aaron Sandilands (UFA), Ryan Crowley (UFA), Paul Duffield (RFA), Jonathon Griffen, Anthony Morabito, Max Duffy, Matthew De Boer, Tommy Sheridan, Zac Clarke, Hayden Crozier, Matthew Taberner, Michael Apeness, Brady Grey, Alex Pearce

Geelong: Jimmy Bartel (UFA), Andrew Mackie (UFA), James Kelly (UFA), Steve Johnson (UFA), Matthew Stokes (UFA), Corey Enright (UFA), Tom Hawkins (RFA), Billie Smedts, Jake Kolodjashnij, Daniel Menzel, Darcy Lang, Sam Blease, Dawson Simpson?, Hamish McIntosh, Josh Cowan, Jordan Murdoch?, Jed Bews, Jared Rivers, Cameron Guthrie?, Nathan Vardy, Steven Motlop, Josh Walker?, Jared Janson, Michael Luxford, Tom Read, Shane Kersten, Jackson Thurlow, James Toohey, Zac Bates, Cameron Delaney, Mark Blicavs. (Unsure how accurate this is, it seems like way too many out of contract in one year)

Gold Coast: Zac Smith, Andrew Boston, Daniel Gorringe, Rory Thompson, Henry Schade, Charlie Dixon, Clay Cameron, Aaron Hall, Michael Rischitelli, Jesse Lonergan, Josh Hall, Seb Tape, Andrew Raines, Keegan Brooksby, Josh Glenn, Greg Broughton, Tyrone Downie, Louis Herbert, Adam Saad, Jarred Ellis

GWS: Stephen Coniglio, Dylan Shiel, Rhys Palmer, Tomas Bugg, Nathan Wilson, Adam Treloar, Matthew Buntine, Zach Williams, Jacob Townsend, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Dylan Addison, Sam Schulz

Hawthorn: Matthew Suckling, Ben McEvoy?, Taylor Duryea?, Brendan Whitecross, Jonathon O'Rourke?, Brian Lake, David Hale, Ryan Schoenmakers, Will Langford, Jonathon Simpkin, Sam Grimley, Jed Anderson, Alex Woodward, Billy Hartung

Melbourne: Mark Jamar (UFA), Colin Garland (RFA), Daniel Cross, Jack Fitzpatrick, Max Gawn, James Harmes, Jeremy Howe, Jayden Hunt, Max King, Jordie McKenzie, Cameron Pederson, Jimmy Toumpas, Jack Trengove, Aaron Vandenberg, Mitchell White, Dean Terlich

North Melbourne: Drew Petrie (UFA), Brent Harvey (UFA), Michael Firrito (UFA), Scott McMahon (UFA), Nathan Grima, Sam Wright, Kieran Harper, Robbie Tarrant, Aaron Mullett, Bradley McKenzie, Majak Daw, Daniel Currie, Luke McDonald, Trent Dumont, Sam Jacobs, Kayne Turner, Eric Wallace

Port Adelaide: Kane Cornes (UFA), Tom Logan (UFA), Kane Mitchell, Matthew Broadbent, John Butcher, Tom Clurey, Mason Shaw, Jarman Impey, Andrew Moore, Jay Schulz, Mitch Harvey, Jarrad Redden, Brendan Ah Chee, Johann Wagner, Daniel Flynn, Sam Gray, Sam Russell, Nathan Krakouer

Richmond: Chris Newman (UFA), Nathan Foley (UFA), Alex Rance (UFA), Dylan Grimes, Shaun Grigg, Matt Dea, Ricky Petterd, Chris Knights, Kamdyn McIntosh, Ben Lennon, Matthew McDonough, Nathan Gordon, Sam Lloyd, Todd Elton, Taylor Hunt

St. Kilda: Sam Gilbert (UFA), Sam Fisher (UFA), Arryn Sipposs, Dylan Roberton, Farren Ray, Tom Simpkin, Sean Dempster, Lewis Peirce, Spencer White, Darren Minchington, Daniel Markworth, Cameron Shenton, Joseph Baker-Thomas, Jason Holmes, Jack Sinclair, Adam Schneider, Ahmed Saad, Brenton Payne

Sydney: Heath Grundy (UFA), Adam Goodes (UFA), Ted Richards (UFA), Rhyce Shaw, Aliir Aliir, Jordan Foote, George Hewett, Brandon Jack, Kieran Jack, Lewis Jetta, Alex Johnson, Harrison Marsh, Lewis Melican, Sean McLaren, Sam Naismith, Toby Nankervis, Nic Newman, Lloyd Perris, Daniel Robinson

West Coast: Sam Butler (UFA), Scott Selwood, Sharrod Wellingham, Xavier Ellis, Josh Hill, Jamie Cripps, Simon Tunbridge, Dominic Sheed, Malcolm Karpany, Dylan Maine, Tom Barrass, Patrick McGinnity, Fraser McInness, Murray Newman, Rowen Powell, Will Maginness

Western Bulldogs: Matthew Boyd (UFA), Robert Murphy (UFA), Jack Redpath, Jarrad Grant, Mitch Wallis, Fletcher Roberts, Michael Talia, Dale Morris, Liam Picken, Ayce Cordy, Josh Prudden, Sam Darley, Matthew Fuller, Mitch Honeychurch, Daniel Pearce, Roarke Smith, Brett Goodes, Jordan Kelly

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/players-out-of-contract-at-the-end-of-2015.1094897/

Trengove has been extended to 2016 now.

Great post cheers! Um whats (UFA)? (RFA)??

Unrestricted Free Agent, and Restricted Free Agent. Assume the others are out on contract at this stage.

Edited May 31, 201510 yr by Cards13

Yeh, great, let's get in the bargain basement line to buy some more old duds, may eke out the odd win.

.... here are some players to look at come 2015 years end, apparently said to be out of contract at this time? some may be a good fit for us?

no doubt there will be other potential trades amongst still contracted players, still within other clubs lists.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/players-out-of-contract-at-the-end-of-2015.1094897/

Adelaide: Richard Douglas (UFA), Scott Thompson (UFA), Brent Reilly (UFA), Patrick Dangerfield (RFA), Rory Sloane, Cameron Ellis-Yolmen, Luke Brown, Matthew Wright, Mitchell Grigg, Rory Laird, Sam Kerridge, Andy Otten, James Podsiadly, Riley Knight, Kyle Hartigan?, Matt Crouch, Sam Siggins, Rory Atkins, Tom Lynch, Jack Osborne, Sam Shaw, Brodie Martin, Anthony Wilson, Riley O'Brien, Keenan Ramsay, Jake Kelly

Brisbane: Jed Adcock (UFA), Matthew Leuenberger (RFA), Ryan Harwood, James Aish, Rohan Bewick, Brent Staker, Matt Maguire, Jackson Paine?, Matthew Hammelman, Mitch Golby, Billy Evans, Hugh Beasley

Carlton: Andrew Carrazzo (UFA), Chris Judd (RFA), Matthew Kreuzer (RFA), Matthew Watson, Robert Warnock, Cameron Giles, Nick Holman, Lachie Henderson, Mark Whiley?, Dennis Armfield, Andrejs Everitt (trigger clause), Simon White, David Ellard

Collingwood: Sam Dwyer, Brent Macaffer, Matthew Scharenberg, Clinton Young, Nathan Freeman, Lachlan Keefe*, Josh Thomas*, Tony Armstrong, Ben Sinclair, Patrick Karnezis, Paul Seedsman, Adam Oxley, Corey Gault

Essendon: Brent Stanton (UFA), Jason Winderlich (UFA), Dustin Fletcher (UFA), Tom Bellchambers (RFA), Courtenay Dempsey (RFA), Mark Baguley, Alex Browne, Jake Carlisle, Paul Chapman, Lauchlan Dalgleish, Orazio Fantasia, James Gwilt, Will Hams, Elliott Kavanagh, Jake Melksham, Jackson Merrett, Nicholas O'Brien, Tayte Pears, Kurt Aylett, Jake Long, Shaun McKernan, Conor McKenna, Ariel Steinberg

Fremantle: Matthew Pavlich (UFA), Aaron Sandilands (UFA), Ryan Crowley (UFA), Paul Duffield (RFA), Jonathon Griffen, Anthony Morabito, Max Duffy, Matthew De Boer, Tommy Sheridan, Zac Clarke, Hayden Crozier, Matthew Taberner, Michael Apeness, Brady Grey, Alex Pearce

Geelong: Jimmy Bartel (UFA), Andrew Mackie (UFA), James Kelly (UFA), Steve Johnson (UFA), Matthew Stokes (UFA), Corey Enright (UFA), Tom Hawkins (RFA), Billie Smedts, Jake Kolodjashnij, Daniel Menzel, Darcy Lang, Sam Blease, Dawson Simpson?, Hamish McIntosh, Josh Cowan, Jordan Murdoch?, Jed Bews, Jared Rivers, Cameron Guthrie?, Nathan Vardy, Steven Motlop, Josh Walker?, Jared Janson, Michael Luxford, Tom Read, Shane Kersten, Jackson Thurlow, James Toohey, Zac Bates, Cameron Delaney, Mark Blicavs. (Unsure how accurate this is, it seems like way too many out of contract in one year)

Gold Coast: Zac Smith, Andrew Boston, Daniel Gorringe, Rory Thompson, Henry Schade, Charlie Dixon, Clay Cameron, Aaron Hall, Michael Rischitelli, Jesse Lonergan, Josh Hall, Seb Tape, Andrew Raines, Keegan Brooksby, Josh Glenn, Greg Broughton, Tyrone Downie, Louis Herbert, Adam Saad, Jarred Ellis

GWS: Stephen Coniglio, Dylan Shiel, Rhys Palmer, Tomas Bugg, Nathan Wilson, Adam Treloar, Matthew Buntine, Zach Williams, Jacob Townsend, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Dylan Addison, Sam Schulz

Hawthorn: Matthew Suckling, Ben McEvoy?, Taylor Duryea?, Brendan Whitecross, Jonathon O'Rourke?, Brian Lake, David Hale, Ryan Schoenmakers, Will Langford, Jonathon Simpkin, Sam Grimley, Jed Anderson, Alex Woodward, Billy Hartung

Melbourne: Mark Jamar (UFA), Colin Garland (RFA), Daniel Cross, Jack Fitzpatrick, Max Gawn, James Harmes, Jeremy Howe, Jayden Hunt, Max King, Jordie McKenzie, Cameron Pederson, Jimmy Toumpas, Jack Trengove, Aaron Vandenberg, Mitchell White, Dean Terlich

North Melbourne: Drew Petrie (UFA), Brent Harvey (UFA), Michael Firrito (UFA), Scott McMahon (UFA), Nathan Grima, Sam Wright, Kieran Harper, Robbie Tarrant, Aaron Mullett, Bradley McKenzie, Majak Daw, Daniel Currie, Luke McDonald, Trent Dumont, Sam Jacobs, Kayne Turner, Eric Wallace

Port Adelaide: Kane Cornes (UFA), Tom Logan (UFA), Kane Mitchell, Matthew Broadbent, John Butcher, Tom Clurey, Mason Shaw, Jarman Impey, Andrew Moore, Jay Schulz, Mitch Harvey, Jarrad Redden, Brendan Ah Chee, Johann Wagner, Daniel Flynn, Sam Gray, Sam Russell, Nathan Krakouer

Richmond: Chris Newman (UFA), Nathan Foley (UFA), Alex Rance (UFA), Dylan Grimes, Shaun Grigg, Matt Dea, Ricky Petterd, Chris Knights, Kamdyn McIntosh, Ben Lennon, Matthew McDonough, Nathan Gordon, Sam Lloyd, Todd Elton, Taylor Hunt

St. Kilda: Sam Gilbert (UFA), Sam Fisher (UFA), Arryn Sipposs, Dylan Roberton, Farren Ray, Tom Simpkin, Sean Dempster, Lewis Peirce, Spencer White, Darren Minchington, Daniel Markworth, Cameron Shenton, Joseph Baker-Thomas, Jason Holmes, Jack Sinclair, Adam Schneider, Ahmed Saad, Brenton Payne

Sydney: Heath Grundy (UFA), Adam Goodes (UFA), Ted Richards (UFA), Rhyce Shaw, Aliir Aliir, Jordan Foote, George Hewett, Brandon Jack, Kieran Jack, Lewis Jetta, Alex Johnson, Harrison Marsh, Lewis Melican, Sean McLaren, Sam Naismith, Toby Nankervis, Nic Newman, Lloyd Perris, Daniel Robinson

West Coast: Sam Butler (UFA), Scott Selwood, Sharrod Wellingham, Xavier Ellis, Josh Hill, Jamie Cripps, Simon Tunbridge, Dominic Sheed, Malcolm Karpany, Dylan Maine, Tom Barrass, Patrick McGinnity, Fraser McInness, Murray Newman, Rowen Powell, Will Maginness

Western Bulldogs: Matthew Boyd (UFA), Robert Murphy (UFA), Jack Redpath, Jarrad Grant, Mitch Wallis, Fletcher Roberts, Michael Talia, Dale Morris, Liam Picken, Ayce Cordy, Josh Prudden, Sam Darley, Matthew Fuller, Mitch Honeychurch, Daniel Pearce, Roarke Smith, Brett Goodes, Jordan Kelly

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/players-out-of-contract-at-the-end-of-2015.1094897/

This list is out of date by a long way.

Why is this a new thread? Why not merge it with "Targets at seasons end".

This list is out of date by a long way.

well add to it, don't sit & whinge; when someone tries to help. add too it, update it.