Fair enough. And it'll be Jones' last deal, otherwise we're in a world of pain.

If Matt Jones is the 38th best player on our list, I doubt we'll be in a 'world of pain'.

Garland is crucial.

Garlands first half against the Dogs was fantastic. Remains a critical part of this team on and off the field.

I agree with most of that. I would hold off on a Toumpas trade though, we wouldn't get a lot for him. Unless we were offered a first rounder, I just don't see the value in trading Toumpas. Actually the same can nearly be said of Jack Watts. I think Watts is becoming underrated around here. He simply isn't that bad of a player IMO. Can he lift? Yes, and he needs to, but I wouldn't be off loading him for the sake of it.

Right now I wouldn't trade either of them. But they are 2 players who might have currency and might also want out for a fresh start. Toump is out of contract as well.

Pretty sure he signed the one year deal along with Bail and Riley.

Still perplexed on how Jones got 2 years.

Terlich's player profile on the club website says 2 year deal.

I know his 2013 was very good but it's staggering that after his drop off last year they felt necessary to give him 2 more years.

In some ways the Matt Jones deal to the end of 2016 made more sense as it came in January 2014 so after a good first year they thought he'd still be around for 3 more. But it looked overly ambitious then and it certainly is now.

2 players who will now have to be paid out or will in all likelihood be battling away at Casey for most of next year. Hopefully Matt Jones takes some belief from his current ok patch of form and works hard to improve because dead wood on the list is a real downer for everyone else IMO.

I dont think Garland will stay after this season. i think he'll do a Rivers, i found it surprising he asked not to be considered for this years leadership group. I can't see Roos cutting and paying out contracted players, Jones & Terlich will stay

Retired- Jamar
Delist - Garland (FA), Trengove, Bail, McKenzie, Hunt
Trade Options - Howe, Watts, Grimes, Dawes
Rookie Promotion - Vandenberg, Harmes
Rookie Retain - White, King

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I reckon we will persist with Trengove on another short deal, and probably lose garland and Howe

I reckon we will persist with Trengove on another short deal, and probably lose garland and Howe

I would as well but i wouldnt be surprised if he was after a change of scenery.

I wonder if these 2 and 3 years deals were significantly front ended?

We didn't have anyone to pay the salary cap to, so it is easy to front end the contact, pay the cap, save the cash for bigger fish in future years and it is reasonably cheap to pay players out later if needed.

I dont think Garland will stay after this season. i think he'll do a Rivers, i found it surprising he asked not to be considered for this years leadership group. I can't see Roos cutting and paying out contracted players, Jones & Terlich will stay

Retired- Jamar

Delist - Garland (FA), Trengove, Bail, McKenzie, Hunt

Trade Options - Howe, Watts, Grimes, Dawes

Rookie Promotion - Vandenberg, Harmes

Rookie Retain - White, King

He's done it before.

I reckon we will persist with Trengove on another short deal, and probably lose garland and Howe

Is there any reason we can't rookie him? I ask because I've never spent more than 30 seconds looking at the rules around that

Is there any reason we can't rookie him? I ask because I've never spent more than 30 seconds looking at the rules around that

no (rule) reason at all

I hope we look seriously at Tomlinson from he Giants. he will be a gun imo and is probably behind a few in the pecking order at the Giants now.

Ive read through a few posts. I think Mckenzie will be delisted, so will Hunt.

I think harmes may need to show a bit more, I really like him but hes struggling to find consistyency at vfl level. should be ok.

King will be fine, young ruckmen, hes got time.
Cross will only retire if he fades at the end of this yrear. Based on the last 18 months form he has another year in him.

Jamar may retire, see how hes traveling later in the year.

Trenners wont be delisted, we have sat through this foot injury tgis long, we may as well see if he can overcome it at the end of this year.
If he can he has the potential to be a great player.

No way Garland's going anywhere. Bookmark it.

This will be Matt Jones' third season. . correct me if I'm wrong but I thought he signed a two year extension during his first season, which would bring him out of contract at the end of this season?

Also, Trefflich signed a one year deal at the end of last season (which surprised many), so no pay out needed there.

I reckon we will persist with Trengove on another short deal, and probably lose garland and Howe

He's coming from a long way back and it will be hard for him to get back into the midfield with Petracca returning aswell...

Terlich's player profile on the club website says 2 year deal.

I know his 2013 was very good but it's staggering that after his drop off last year they felt necessary to give him 2 more years.

In some ways the Matt Jones deal to the end of 2016 made more sense as it came in January 2014 so after a good first year they thought he'd still be around for 3 more. But it looked overly ambitious then and it certainly is now.

2 players who will now have to be paid out or will in all likelihood be battling away at Casey for most of next year. Hopefully Matt Jones takes some belief from his current ok patch of form and works hard to improve because dead wood on the list is a real downer for everyone else IMO.

don't think they expected the Jetta to come on so quickly last year. since Jettas de-listing & rookying, he has come on as he should have, from the start of his career at a pro club.

Terls is depth for that small defender spot, but with Jetta, & now Salem coming on, games are getting thin for him. but Salem will slowly get into the midfield, in my opinion.

He's coming from a long way back and it will be hard for him to get back into the midfield with Petracca returning aswell...

a fit & firing Trenners, would be fantastic off half back or defensive half forward, with some runs thru the guts.

a fit & firing Trenners, would be fantastic off half back or defensive half forward, with some runs thru the guts.

Again, people have such short memories. A fully fit & firing Trengove would be like having another Tyson, except right-footed, stronger & could run all day.

If he's almost-but-not-quite fit & firing, then it's half-back etc.

Trengove fully fit is top-drawer midfielder. He's not as limited as Scully.

He's coming from a long way back and it will be hard for him to get back into the midfield with Petracca returning aswell...

Exactly who will he replace?

Exactly who will he replace?

You can only compare his best form to the best form of players in the current team.

So he would replace Bail, Matt Jones, Newton and Riley.

The $1M question is whether Trengove will ever play 120 minutes of football let alone return to his best.

Trengove returning to his first two years form would be massive but what are the chances of that ?

You can only compare his best form to the best form of players in the current team.

So he would replace Bail, Matt Jones, Newton and Riley.

The $1M question is whether Trengove will ever play 120 minutes of football let alone return to his best.

Trengove returning to his first two years form would be massive but what are the chances of that ?

Slim and the game has changed since 2011

I think if anyone was going to make it back its Trengove, incredible character and a great leader of the club and I think on that and his potential upside is well worth the risk of another short term deal, be it as a senior list player on less money or a rookie selection.

Way too early for this thread.

Happy to back Roos and PJ and Jason Taylor. Have done OK so far.

IMO it will be a very interesting trade/delist/draft period at the end of this season, more than any other under Roos. Goodwin may also have a greater say in decision making.

There are a number of fringe players that may not continue (regardless of contract status: Bail, MJones, Terlich), Trenner's future will come into play, Garland and Howe stay or go?, Jamar and Cross are getting very close to the end, and then there maybe some trade smokies, such as Watts or Gawn. We all have differing opinions on this.

I suspect we might see 8-9 go. But I would rather we trade for a gun mid (or two) rather than for draft picks. This draft is apparently weak. While Team Roos have got great value from a range of draft selections it's time we landed a big fish. At least one of Shiel, Treloar, Prestia would be an excellent result. Leuie as a FA ruck would be good too.

This time round I'd be happy if we had very few draft picks left after trade period. It would mean we landed a gun mid.