The more i think about Aaron VandenBerg the more i think how amazing it is that a bloke can come out of the NEAFL and adjust to the Tempo of AFL with absolutely no issue, he was seriously sharp in round 1,

i think that's a reflection of the quality of training and coaches we have, but also of Aaron as a player, some of our blokes have taken quite a long time to adjust in the past.

I think it is a reflection of Aaron.

It is also a reflection of our list that he could go past so many, so quickly.

It is also a reflectiojn that he is not an 18yr old kid, has a big mature body, and has been playing in the NEAFL for the last couple of years against the reserves from the Swans, Giants, Suns and Lions, so has seen what it takes to be on an AFL list

how tall is a forward line ment to be????

[Pedersen], Dawes, Hogan, and Watts are all pretty tall, aren't they? Don't think that's a lot?

It is also a reflectiojn that he is not an 18yr old kid, has a big mature body, and has been playing in the NEAFL for the last couple of years against the reserves from the Swans, Giants, Suns and Lions, so has seen what it takes to be on an AFL list

Terlich, Matt Jones, Michie, McKenzie are now behind him.

That was swift...

Terlich, Matt Jones, Michie, McKenzie are now behind him.

That was swift...

That's also because the short answer is he has more talent.

Terlich, Matt Jones, Michie, McKenzie are now behind him.

That was swift...

I love this phrase, Vandenberg got his chance, took it, and at the moment is in the team, all the ones you mentioned above did the same, we had one last year who came in as a mature recruit and played really well for the first couple of games and was enthused to the hills on here, remind me where he is now?

Hopefullly Vanders can maintain his form and stay in the 22

Why wouldn't you have Riley in in the Wet at the G against the Swans. Not even an emergency he must have really pi885d Roos off at some stage

Can people stop going on about Riley. There are question marks on his disposal and his fitness. He does one thing well. As we're seeing, that's not enough.

Some odd comments on these pages. More than a few pushing their personal barrows, irrespective of the reality.

Happy with the changes, the new ins have earned it, and it would seem that the outs have earned it as well.

That's also because the short answer is he has more talent.

than probably ALL of them !!

There is conjecture about big Pencil, but we have to give him game-time to see if he can make an impression. I think we will suffer at centre bounce so he will have to show some flair around the game. Well at least run and controlled aggression. Despite Gawn's poor form he also needs to be given a chance in future games. Jamar is yesterdays man and not part of the future so we need to challenge the other two to see if they are up to it.

Grimes and Michie are stiff given other decisions or non-decisions. They would be pretty disappointed. Part of me doesn't like it, part of me does. Michie is presumably being punished for his game last week to send a clear message to him to lift his work rate and defensive game, In regard to Grimes, I have the feeling that Roos and Co have decided that Grimes is not part of their future plans given the development of others down back whereas they see a few others......you know what I mean.......still as an important part of their future plans.

how tall is a forward line ment to be????

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Goodes

I love this phrase, Vandenberg got his chance, took it, and at the moment is in the team, all the ones you mentioned above did the same, we had one last year who came in as a mature recruit and played really well for the first couple of games and was enthused to the hills on here, remind me where he is now?

Hopefullly Vanders can maintain his form and stay in the 22

VanDemon shits all over those other blokes. Terlich, M Jones and Mckenzie only got consistent games because we were a basket case and our list was one of the worst in AFL history.

They would not have got a game at any other club

Roos on Jamar:

"We spoke to Mark this morning and said, 'We're not unhappy with they way you've been playing but it's hard to do it week in, week out'," Roos said on Friday.

"His concentration levels have got to be enormous. You've got to get to 80, 90 stoppages and then in between stoppages you've got to be active.

"It's probably as much about the position now, it's just a really tough role.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-08/ruck-by-committee-forces-demon-mark-jamar-down-to-vfl-

Edited May 8, 201510 yr by Young Dee

Roos on Jamar:

"We spoke to Mark this morning and said, 'We're not unhappy with they way you've been playing but it's hard to do it week in, week out'," Roos said on Friday.

"His concentration levels have got to be enormous. You've got to get to 80, 90 stoppages and then in between stoppages you've got to be active.

"It's probably as much about the position now, it's just a really tough role.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-08/ruck-by-committee-forces-demon-mark-jamar-down-to-vfl-

Interesting but Roos still only wants to play 1 ruckman.

Will be watching Spenc with interest to see what he gives around the ground. I do like his mongrel and attack on the contest. From the pre-season reports he is as fit as he has ever been. he is 5cm taller than Jamar and 3kg heaveier and 6 yrs younger.

Jamar doesn't give much around the ground and at best mullifies the centre clearance work so its a great chance for Spence to show his improvement.

reckon Pederson late out and Riley in

Interesting but Roos still only wants to play 1 ruckman.

Will be watching Spenc with interest to see what he gives around the ground. I do like his mongrel and attack on the contest. From the pre-season reports he is as fit as he has ever been. he is 5cm taller than Jamar and 3kg heaveier and 6 yrs younger.

Jamar doesn't give much around the ground and at best mullifies the centre clearance work so its a great chance for Spence to show his improvement.

Well said

Jamar does well for his size but is smaller than many key forwards

Well said

Jamar does well for his size but is smaller than many key forwards

Smaller then many key forwards? I assume your referring to his weight

Do you think Roos works in isolation ? From all reports he is one of most collaborative coaches in the competition. You don't think this is discussed with coaching panel and at selection - it is just an Abbott "captains pick" ?

The way he has talked about the use of the sub in the past has been him stating he doesn't like it and doesn't really use it well. I've taken that as his choice as senior coach when it has been used.

Roos on Jamar:

"We spoke to Mark this morning and said, 'We're not unhappy with they way you've been playing but it's hard to do it week in, week out'," Roos said on Friday.

"His concentration levels have got to be enormous. You've got to get to 80, 90 stoppages and then in between stoppages you've got to be active.

"It's probably as much about the position now, it's just a really tough role.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-08/ruck-by-committee-forces-demon-mark-jamar-down-to-vfl-

If this was true, why play him at Casey, I smell a platitude, out of contract, out of form, been a good battler for the club, Roos should have identified the ruck position as a matter of urgency, now we are caught out as usual, with nobody in the bleachers.

Bet they sign Wolf Minston next year.

If this was true, why play him at Casey, I smell a platitude, out of contract, out of form, been a good battler for the club, Roos should have identified the ruck position as a matter of urgency, now we are caught out as usual, with nobody in the bleachers.

Bet they sign Wolf Minston next year.

Casey have Gawn and Fitzy listed so he may only play 50% game time or play in the goal square.

While our ruck stocks aren't that promising I would rather us look at fixing up other areas first (might be able to find someone mature cheaply - Stefan Martin)

Edited May 8, 201510 yr by Young Dee

The way he has talked about the use of the sub in the past has been him stating he doesn't like it and doesn't really use it well. I've taken that as his choice as senior coach when it has been used.

He doesn't like it, I'm not sure that means he doesn't use it well. He's talked with 'bomber' about how it can be difficult and they both agree (pretty much all senior coaches do) but it's more to make his point that it should be gone.

Can one of the Watts haters tell me who's replacing him in the lineup once he's dropped?

Bernie Lomax

If this was true, why play him at Casey, I smell a platitude, out of contract, out of form, been a good battler for the club, Roos should have identified the ruck position as a matter of urgency, now we are caught out as usual, with nobody in the bleachers.

Bet they sign Wolf Minston next year.

Given some of the concerns on this thread I'm not sure anyone here has been following Spencer's development. He has been carefully developed over the past several years. He has grown physically, in confidence, in aggro and in skills. During his last stint in the seniors he played some good footy until injured. Ross acknowledged this at the time, so he has clearly been viewed as the replacement ruck.

Let's just see what he has to offer.

The language is ass especially in the wrong hands. Like me.

'An' ass, I think you'll find.

'An' ass, I think you'll find.

Nah, that's Stuie.

Nah, that's Stuie.

Glad to tee that one up for you!