The show on Saturday mornings, Off the Bench on SEN (which is made by Crocmedia, not SEN) is just drivel.

You can tell Dr Turf is uncomfortable on this show as he has more class than that.

...but it's not nor pretending to be a footy show. It is a show of drivel with a little of sport thrown in occasionally.

Agree - shouldn't it be Crock Meida?

The only thing ruining the game for me is Dwayne Russell.

The rest I can overlook.

He is just awful and hasn't shown any sign of improvement

what is killing the game for me at the moment or at least reducing my enjoyment of the game is the new electronic signage around the ground. It relentlessly pours out advertising and slogans for the home team. On Friday night viewing the game from the Northern side at least for the first quarter was almost unbearable to the eye. What is particularly annoying is that it goes on continuously during game time. Not even any relief at half-time with the sound of announcements making discussion almost impossible. Headache materail and just another example how these things distract from the game.

Yes - looking across the ground from the first level it is just so intrusive, and pointless. I wouldn't have the slightest idea of what is being advertised. Just irritating.

And I have been on about the audio intrusions at the breaks for a long time - spoils the ambience of the game. Sounds more and more like American basketball every year. I had hoped that with Vlad leaving, the man who wants to Americanize every aspect of our game, it may have improved...but it hasn't.

The only thing ruining the game for me is Dwayne Russell.

The rest I can overlook.

Me too - Dwayne Russell is worse than McAvaney - and I thought that was impossible.

Sick to death of watching this game getting hijacked by off field matters were all the pre game & footy shows taking up the majority of air time.... We watch these shows to hear about the opinions from experts on actually on field performances etc..

The media is obsessed with controversial matters to a point were there are press conferences on every issue........I understand these matters are serious etc but they need to stop giving these idiots air time & fuelling it!

Yep - what about Richmond Classified (aka Footy Classified) - last night more than half the "show" was about Richmond apparently giving some team a walkover on Friday night - apparently all that "other" team had to do was run out on the field?? Led by C Wilson going on and ond on and on and on with Lloyd and Hutchison in support - G Lyon didn't help. Who was the other team and did they have to do anything else to win - what an insult - HELLO Garry. Then all the Clarko stuff - sure ideally he wouldn't have been there - but if those yobbos knew anything about the Battle of Britain - 1987 - The Oval - just ask Ian Aitken what Clarko is capable of - enough said. Caro has to thrive on this stuff as she doesn't know anything about the game ON THE FIELD!!

I blame the smartphones.Off field incidents have been happening since day one but most went unrecognized until these days where sensational footage gets lapped up by the media.

There is a line of thought that not knowing or reporting an incident is better then telling the truth.

I do not follow that line of thinking.

To me, its all about how an incident is handled by the sporting body which tells me if the sport is clean or dirty.

Sadly IMO the AFL has a long way to go before it can claim to be a fair, clean and family friendly competition.

Is there any decent footy TV show? they all seem a waste of time, particularly with so much stuff on the net these days most of which satisfy the needs. I am just not watching anything anymore only vision of the games.

Theres not a lot on TV full stop. Only I've really enjoyed was the British version of Sherlock Holmes which was 3 movie length episodes a year drawn out over 3 years.

Watch the TV Series of "Fargo"

So much better than anything on TV!!

Sick to death of watching this game getting hijacked by off field matters were all the pre game & footy shows taking up the majority of air time.... We watch these shows to hear about the opinions from experts on actually on field performances etc..

The media is obsessed with controversial matters to a point were there are press conferences on every issue........I understand these matters are serious etc but they need to stop giving these idiots air time & fuelling it!

I listen to a lot of this dribble, but don't take it too seriously. Behind a lot of these agendas - are money driven intentions. From the 'fabricated' stories churned out by the media, right down to the overreaction of domestic violence, there will always be groups willing to push an agenda - if it is financially beneficial to them. The moral crusaders (white knights) amongst the media who have an opinion on EVERYTHING - are the same guys going through bins, not fact checking, and making up stories with no actual basis to them. On the weekend in the paper, I think I even read a Mick Malthouse after game interview that wasn't even done by him, a few years ago I'd of nearly fallen of my chair, these days I am not surprised one bit.

what is killing the game for me at the moment or at least reducing my enjoyment of the game is the new electronic signage around the ground. It relentlessly pours out advertising and slogans for the home team. On Friday night viewing the game from the Northern side at least for the first quarter was almost unbearable to the eye. What is particularly annoying is that it goes on continuously during game time. Not even any relief at half-time with the sound of announcements making discussion almost impossible. Headache materail and just another example how these things distract from the game.

I totally agree, ive spoken to many people who think its abhorrent. The electronic signage is highly contrasting even clashing colors changing many times per minute and is so distracting its very hard to watch the game. I wonder what the players association thinks?? Sometimes it changed 2 or 3 times whilst players were taking set shots....a lot of behinds were scored also.

that must be why i don't bother watching - lol

One of the reasons why radio is so much better than TV is that you can watch it upside down and it doesn't change the experience.

By the way, this thread is a crock. Off field issues are not killing the game at all.

I found this article from Chris Judd very interesting:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/chris-judd-risk-of-random-abuse-becomes-pay-day-for-onlookers-with-smartphones-20150428-1muzqz.html

Gives a considered perspective we don't often get - that of the players. One of the best articles I've ever read from a footy player.

One of the reasons why radio is so much better than TV is that you can watch it upside down and it doesn't change the experience.

By the way, this thread is a crock. Off field issues are not killing the game at all.

you're right it's not killing the game

but it is killing to some degree one's enjoyment of the game

you're right it's not killing the game

but it is killing to some degree one's enjoyment of the game

Not mine. Two things affect my opinion: The onfield performance of my team and the quality of games played by other teams in neutral games.

Gerard Whateley is a good reasoned voice amongst a F...L...O...G of commentators......(did I just invent a new collective noun?)

Watch the TV Series of "Fargo"

So much better than anything on TV!!

Thanks 'SWYL', must have a look...

Thanks 'SWYL', must have a look...

show 1 out of 10 is probably the best "Opener" i have ever seen in a TV Series.

I had to go out when it finished. I was to pumped to sleep!

show 1 out of 10 is probably the best "Opener" i have ever seen in a TV Series.

I had to go out when it finished. I was to pumped to sleep!

The 2 best I've seen to date for openers, are the monologue 'why America is not the greatest country in the world' The Newsroom...and the West Wing, POTUS bike accident and Sam with the call girl etc.

I'm looking forward to checking out 'Fargo', have seen some shorts and it looked good. Thanks again.

what is killing the game for me at the moment or at least reducing my enjoyment of the game is the new electronic signage around the ground. It relentlessly pours out advertising and slogans for the home team. On Friday night viewing the game from the Northern side at least for the first quarter was almost unbearable to the eye. What is particularly annoying is that it goes on continuously during game time. Not even any relief at half-time with the sound of announcements making discussion almost impossible. Headache materail and just another example how these things distract from the game.

I honestly hardly even noticed it, was just like white noise in the background.

I found this article from Chris Judd very interesting:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/chris-judd-risk-of-random-abuse-becomes-pay-day-for-onlookers-with-smartphones-20150428-1muzqz.html

Gives a considered perspective we don't often get - that of the players. One of the best articles I've ever read from a footy player.

Good article. I agree with a lot of Judd's sentiments; but I think that if you're "lucky" enough to be a bystander to an unusual event like the Chris Judd one, you should be able to record that event and distribute footage of it for more than just the price of a gulp of air. You had the awareness to recognise that people would be interested, and wherewithal to go out and distribute it. It's people who try to coordinate these events for profit that should be ostracised.

Melbourne supporters whinging about the AFL, TV advertising and gambling - the irony is thats the only things keeping the MFC alive.

Melbourne supporters whinging about the AFL, TV advertising and gambling - the irony is thats the only things keeping the MFC alive.

I suggest you first look up how much money Collingwood gets from the AFL. Once you've done that, you can also go and join another club's forum as well. We support the Dees here.