Adelaide v Melbourne POST MATCH DISCUSSION - ROUND 3

[G-max 154]

Anyone know what happened to Frost?

Poor form from Fox Sports not finding footage of the incident. I would have liked to see footage of the foot injury.

[joeboy 3,010]

The sad thing is that Watts , seemingly playing without heart , is miles better than anyone from Casey who could possibly take his place in the team.

[Samael 560]

I loved the Sporting Globe!

I worked in a milk bar in those days as a youngster and there would have 30 to 40 people every Saturday night, waiting for the final Herald and the SG to arrive!

Halcyon days

Could not sell the pink paper if Collingwood lost. Used to get great tips if they won.

[Lucifers Hero 37,524]

Is Dunn going under the radar? I know that stats aren't everything but consider: (possessions, contested possession, tackles vs Crows).

Dunn 10, 2, 2

Lumumba 25,14, 7

Salem 16, 9, 5

Tommy Mc 16, 7, 2

Jetta 10, 5, 4

As Vice Cap I don't think he is working hard enough or showing enough leadership on the field (especially not in the GWS game). Is he leaving too much work to Lumumba and Tommy? Is he helping the younger backs enough?

Watts and Dawes are getting a rough ride here on DL (probably because people look for their mistakes which stand out so easily). Yet no-one is talking about Dunn. He would be close to our worst performer so far this year.

He looks to be cruising. He is supposed to be the backline 'general'...I reckon its time to show his best form and be a leader in action not just in name.

Edited April 19, 2015 by Lucifer's Hero

[Gorgoroth 12,447]

Dunns opponent isn't doing much and TBH I think the opposition are making sure to curb his influence.

Which means Tmac gets more freedom.

[Lucifers Hero 37,524]

Dunns opponent isn't doing much and TBH I think the opposition are making sure to curb his influence.

Which means Tmac gets more freedom.

This could be right.

I would just like to see Dunn be a bit more vocal, aggressive and help Tommy and H out more, especially if his own op isn't doing much (who is not the best fwd anyway).

[Slartibartfast 16,128]

Before the season I queried Roos' ability to teach a team to kick goals and was very pleased to see after round one we'd kicked 100+ points for the first time since he started. This was in contrast to our inability to kick goals in his first year.

Many here, and indeed Roos himself, have commented on the apparent lack of confidence of our team and the way we are quick to go into our shells when things start to go wrong. FWIW I think we did well in this aspect against GCS and were ok against Adelaide but we were terrible against GWS.

Ken Hinkley made (not for the first time) the following comments in an interview which was reported in this mornings Age in an article by Rohan Connolly:

"I'm a big believer that confidence is about scoring. If you're not scoring you lose confidence. and once you lose it, whether you're defending a stoppage or playing attacking football, it just seems to disappear. I think the scoreboard's important."

In our two games since GWS we've failed to kick the score we did in that game alone. While it's correct to point out that Saturday's weather was not conducive to scoring the conditions in the first half, although blustery, were mainly dry and we only scored 5 less points in the second half compared to the first half. Conditions in Canberra were very good as were the conditions for our first game. Roos came to the club recognizing the mental fragility of the players and I'd image Hinkley faced the same thing when he went to Port Adelaide, they were a basket case. Hinkley chose to score and we chose to defend. PA's list is far better than ours but I don't think Hinkley would have done anything different if he'd been appointed coach of Melbourne. It's a striking point of difference between two good coaches.

My view is that if we get behind by a few goals it's very unlikely that we'll win because our game is based so much on defense that we don't have the ability to catch up. I reckon the players consciously or subconsciously would think the same and this would sap their confidence. I wonder if Roos' defense first philosophy is outdated (or just simply wrong) and like successful coaches before him he's failed to move with changes in the game. Hinkley taught PA to kick goals and is now working on improving its defense. Roos taught us to defend and is now trying to teach us to kick goals. If PA get behind they never think they are out of it and yet if we get behind I never think we can win. It's an extraordinarily different mindset.

Richmond play an attacking brand of footy which relies on run from half back and risk taking. That gives us an opportunity to score as well. It will be instructive to see how we go on Friday and I think Roos would do well to consider Hinkley's view very seriously if he hasn't already.

[jnrmac 19,508]

Maybe not our worst, but he's paid nearly the best amount. His job is to kick goals or contribute towards kicking goals. Fail.

get over yourself. Who gives a flying as to what Dawes gets paid. These comments are pathetic.

We have to pay someone and at the time he was recruited there wasn't a long list of gorilla ex-premiership players queing to join the dees.

Move on FFS.

Edited April 20, 2015 by jnrmac

[Lucifers Hero 37,524]

Fines for Melee all round.

It seems, no suspension for Bernie vs Sloane/Danger

[Gorgoroth 12,447]

Before the season I queried Roos' ability to teach a team to kick goals and was very pleased to see after round one we'd kicked 100+ points for the first time since he started. This was in contrast to our inability to kick goals in his first year.

Many here, and indeed Roos himself, have commented on the apparent lack of confidence of our team and the way we are quick to go into our shells when things start to go wrong. FWIW I think we did well in this aspect against GCS and were ok against Adelaide but we were terrible against GWS.

Ken Hinkley made (not for the first time) the following comments in an interview which was reported in this mornings Age in an article by Rohan Connolly:

"I'm a big believer that confidence is about scoring. If you're not scoring you lose confidence. and once you lose it, whether you're defending a stoppage or playing attacking football, it just seems to disappear. I think the scoreboard's important."

In our two games since GWS we've failed to kick the score we did in that game alone. While it's correct to point out that Saturday's weather was not conducive to scoring the conditions in the first half, although blustery, were mainly dry and we only scored 5 less points in the second half compared to the first half. Conditions in Canberra were very good as were the conditions for our first game. Roos came to the club recognizing the mental fragility of the players and I'd image Hinkley faced the same thing when he went to Port Adelaide, they were a basket case. Hinkley chose to score and we chose to defend. PA's list is far better than ours but I don't think Hinkley would have done anything different if he'd been appointed coach of Melbourne. It's a striking point of difference between two good coaches.

My view is that if we get behind by a few goals it's very unlikely that we'll win because our game is based so much on defense that we don't have the ability to catch up. I reckon the players consciously or subconsciously would think the same and this would sap their confidence. I wonder if Roos' defense first philosophy is outdated (or just simply wrong) and like successful coaches before him he's failed to move with changes in the game. Hinkley taught PA to kick goals and is now working on improving its defense. Roos taught us to defend and is now trying to teach us to kick goals. If PA get behind they never think they are out of it and yet if we get behind I never think we can win. It's an extraordinarily different mindset.

Richmond play an attacking brand of footy which relies on run from half back and risk taking. That gives us an opportunity to score as well. It will be instructive to see how we go on Friday and I think Roos would do well to consider Hinkley's view very seriously if he hasn't already.

Maybe like last year it takes 6-10 weeks to see a constant improve on that style of play and where we come out of our shell a bit.

Pity the next batch of games we play some of the best which could hurt.

I'd like Roos to say to the guys 100% attack v Hawks. Don't worry about mistakes, attack hard!

[ILLDieADemon 804]

Adelaide is not the same side as last year, they smashed North and could have done the same to Collingwood until the they fort back in the last quarter.

We just need to sustain our first half efforts for the whole game, I can see us being a better side by the end of the season.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

Maybe like last year it takes 6-10 weeks to see a constant improve on that style of play and where we come out of our shell a bit.

Pity the next batch of games we play some of the best which could hurt.

I'd like Roos to say to the guys 100% attack v Hawks. Don't worry about mistakes, attack hard!

A shoot-out against the Hawks???

[jabberwocky 2,301]

Before the season I queried Roos' ability to teach a team to kick goals and was very pleased to see after round one we'd kicked 100+ points for the first time since he started. This was in contrast to our inability to kick goals in his first year.

Many here, and indeed Roos himself, have commented on the apparent lack of confidence of our team and the way we are quick to go into our shells when things start to go wrong. FWIW I think we did well in this aspect against GCS and were ok against Adelaide but we were terrible against GWS.

Ken Hinkley made (not for the first time) the following comments in an interview which was reported in this mornings Age in an article by Rohan Connolly:

"I'm a big believer that confidence is about scoring. If you're not scoring you lose confidence. and once you lose it, whether you're defending a stoppage or playing attacking football, it just seems to disappear. I think the scoreboard's important."

In our two games since GWS we've failed to kick the score we did in that game alone. While it's correct to point out that Saturday's weather was not conducive to scoring the conditions in the first half, although blustery, were mainly dry and we only scored 5 less points in the second half compared to the first half. Conditions in Canberra were very good as were the conditions for our first game. Roos came to the club recognizing the mental fragility of the players and I'd image Hinkley faced the same thing when he went to Port Adelaide, they were a basket case. Hinkley chose to score and we chose to defend. PA's list is far better than ours but I don't think Hinkley would have done anything different if he'd been appointed coach of Melbourne. It's a striking point of difference between two good coaches.

My view is that if we get behind by a few goals it's very unlikely that we'll win because our game is based so much on defense that we don't have the ability to catch up. I reckon the players consciously or subconsciously would think the same and this would sap their confidence. I wonder if Roos' defense first philosophy is outdated (or just simply wrong) and like successful coaches before him he's failed to move with changes in the game. Hinkley taught PA to kick goals and is now working on improving its defense. Roos taught us to defend and is now trying to teach us to kick goals. If PA get behind they never think they are out of it and yet if we get behind I never think we can win. It's an extraordinarily different mindset.

Richmond play an attacking brand of footy which relies on run from half back and risk taking. That gives us an opportunity to score as well. It will be instructive to see how we go on Friday and I think Roos would do well to consider Hinkley's view very seriously if he hasn't already.

Inside 50s and scoring shots might be a better indicator.

We should have pushed Adelaide, the form side of the comp on the scoreboard but missed shots.

We did most things right except get them through the big sticks.

Your understanding of footy is either based on delusion or dishonesty.

Edited April 20, 2015 by jabberwocky