THE DRUG SCANDAL: AFL TRIBUNAL DECIDES

[Lucifers Hero 40,509]

I had a look at WADA website and 2015 budget is $US27.m so about $AU35.

Not much really so I think Daisycutter' point as to whether WADA will pursue a 'local' game is really valid.

We can only hope that WADA see this as such a big test case, to avoid precedence being set on a 'no records' defence, that they will pursue it on principle.

[Damo 3,437]

I'll tell you what I can and will do. If Essendon gets away with it, I will walk away.

There's plenty else in life that doesn't reek of lies, cheating, money and corruption.

Start with David Grace Q.C. (sic) defender of the EFC players and creator of their defence.

Funny that he has another hat....

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/athletics/aa-president-david-grace-says-hes-the-man-for-the-job-20150323-1m5w17.html

[Willmoy1947 4,198]

If i was a Club and i was fair dinkim i would not play them. That would fix it.Seventeen clubs taking a stand. One Meeting in private and united.

[Its Time for Another 4,301]

If you want evidence of what ASADA thinks of any AFL Tribunal process, look no further than McDevitt's statement today:

"I am also aware that appealing any of these decisions within the AFL framework would ultimately serve only to delay consideration of these matters by the World Anti-Doping Agency."

I suspect the plan straight after the Decision was for WADA to appeal straight to the CAS and not waste time with ASADA appealing to the AFL's Appeals Tribunal where there would likely be more of the same.

CAS is used to applying the appropriate standards of proof for an anti doping case. The AFL Tribunal looks to have got this wrong. I'd be surprised if WADA don't appeal. Maybe the inability to force Charters and Alavi to give evidence leaves too big a hole for an appeal, otherwise I can't see them not appealing.

[Sir Why You Little 37,296]

I'll tell you what I can and will do. If Essendon gets away with it, I will walk away.

There's plenty else in life that doesn't reek of lies, cheating, money and corruption.

i am with you mate. If WADA fail to go Essendrug my interest in AFL will be a lot smaller.

Let us not forget Jab won the Brownlow in 2012 also

All of this is still intact. Just not interested in supporting an industry that allows blatant cheating.

The silence from 17 other clubs [censored] me no end as well

Bring on WADA or else i doubt i will spend another AFL $$

Edited April 20, 2015 by Sir Why You Little

[ManDee 7,317]

From:- http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-20/asada-wont-appeal

ASADA has sent the case file to WADA for independent review and said it would support an appeal to the CAS.

WADA has a further 21 days after Tuesday to lodge an appeal in front of a new Tribunal.

"ASADA will support any WADA-initiated appeal in relation to these matters," McDevitt said.

"In the interests of transparency, I would welcome the fullest possible release of the Tribunal’s findings and reasons on all of these matters."

I added the bold.

[Red and Bluebeard 2,101]

Then there is this little gem ... James Hird willing to to appear at Senate inquiry into ASADA

If he is so willing to talk, then he should spill the beans now. Don't wait for something that will probably never happen!

[Melbman2 226]

Dees2014 has said all along that WADA was waiting in the wings for their shot and that it would end there.

Here's hoping Ess are found guilty right on the eve of the finals.

[ManDee 7,317]

I spent time with an Essendon supporter on the weekend.

ES: The players have been penalised and have suffered enough. The AFL and ASADA should back off the players don't deserve any more pain.

Me: The players have received no penalty, any suffering they have experienced is as a direct result of the actions of the EFC.

ES:- The club has already been penalised for what they did.

Me:- They have been penalised for what they didn't do ie keep records.

ES: It's time to move on.

Me : Not until WADA have finished.

ES: Don't you have any compassion for the players?

Me: They are responsible for anything that enters their bodies, they don't know what they were given, this should be automatically guilty. If they are not penalised this will be a blueprint for cheating in world sport.

ES: You have no compassion and your hard line approach is not what the rest of society thinks.

Me: I bite my tongue and go for a walk.

WADA please help me out. Do the right thing, nail those cheats.

[sue 9,171]

ES: You have no compassion and your hard line approach is not what the rest of society thinks.

Frustrating, but probably true given the media campaign and it being 'our young boys'. If the same level of evidence was public about the Chinese swimming team I'm sure the amount of compassion your mate speaks of would evaporate in a flash.

[beelzebub 23,390]

Frustrating, but probably true given the media campaign and it being 'our young boys'. If the same level of evidence was public about the Chinese swimming team I'm sure the amount of compassion your mate speaks of would evaporate in a flash.

Not all think they've been given enough.

Recent visit to wife's aunt...good Ol stick..lol.

"What do you make of al this Essesndon kerfuffle?"

Me...a lot is wrong and they are guilty

"Absolutely, they're a disgrace"

Point...invariably it's mainly ES that would have you believe the public has any. Great sympathy for the. Many are 'over it' for sure but don't think they're innocent by any means.

It's always been my belief that WADA will swing its big bat.

I suppose as of tomorrow they can exercise that desire.

Edited April 20, 2015 by beelzebub

[deefrag 277]

Reliable source from Europe with sports Law connections told me last week that WADA are very, very interested in this case!

How that translates into action after today's ASADA move remains to be seen but It's apparently well and truly on their radar!

[Lucifers Hero 40,509]

Start with David Grace Q.C. (sic) defender of the EFC players and creator of their defence.

Funny that he has another hat....

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/athletics/aa-president-david-grace-says-hes-the-man-for-the-job-20150323-1m5w17.html

Grace and ASC Chairman John Wylie "...both said the report had unfairly concentrated responsibility for problems in the sport on the current board".

Yes, this is the same John Wylie (mate of AFL Comm Chairman Fitzpatrick) who was asked to (quietly) negotiate with Ess and James Hird in Aug 2013. Is Wylie, head of the highest sporting body in Australia, now criticising his own staff's report, to support a mate (Grace who acted for Ess players)?

I now fear that even if we had a National Tribunal for hearing ASADA charges whether that would be independent, as it would probably come under the auspices of the ASC... Wylie, Grace, Fitzpatrick, EFC, AFL, ASC all inextricably networked.

Its all too incestuous for my liking...just hope WADA win at CAS.

Edited April 20, 2015 by Lucifer's Hero

[Fork 'em 7,043]

I spent time with an Essendon supporter on the weekend.

ES: The players have been penalised and have suffered enough. The AFL and ASADA should back off the players don't deserve any more pain.

Me: The players have received no penalty, any suffering they have experienced is as a direct result of the actions of the EFC.

ES:- The club has already been penalised for what they did.

Me:- They have been penalised for what they didn't do ie keep records.

ES: It's time to move on.

Me : Not until WADA have finished.

ES: Don't you have any compassion for the players?

Me: They are responsible for anything that enters their bodies, they don't know what they were given, this should be automatically guilty. If they are not penalised this will be a blueprint for cheating in world sport.

ES: You have no compassion and your hard line approach is not what the rest of society thinks.

Me: I bite my tongue and go for a walk.

WADA please help me out. Do the right thing, nail those cheats.

In my experience talking to Essenscum supporters, your conversation is very similar but you left out the bit where "its the prosecutions duty to prove guilt.

Not the clubs duty to prove innocence."

Forking dogs, spare me.

[biggestred 5,237]

Dank officially appealing to afl appeals tribunal

[sue 9,171]

Dank officially appealing to afl appeals tribunal

I thought he'd only give evidence to a proper court. So perhaps he will just get lawyers to argue some obscure technical point. Will be interesting either way.

[biggestred 5,237]

I thought he'd only give evidence to a proper court. So perhaps he will just get lawyers to argue some obscure technical point. Will be interesting either way.

Yeah i cant see him giving public evidence..

[Willmoy1947 4,198]

Wylie and Grace. No wonder we went done the gurgler at the Olympics. Sounds a bit like Penne and Teller

[Willmoy1947 4,198]

If I was WADA I would have this appeal up and going on Wednesday.....Slam bam sorry Sam!!!!

[beelzebub 23,390]

Wylie and Grace. No wonder we went done the gurgler at the Olympics. Sounds a bit like Penne and Teller

More like Will & Grace

Edited April 20, 2015 by beelzebub

[Deecisive 1,709]

No I would essentially make noises about looking into it if I was WADA and start to get the Essendon folk a little nervous. Then after 23 days or so appeal direct to CAS. Even with a small budget they can afford to look at it as they will be working from the ASADA and AFL tribunal notes / records that is unless the AFL Tribunal did not keep any records which given the irregularities in this case is highly possible.

[What 18,810]

In WADA we trust

[beelzebub 23,390]

No I would essentially make noises about looking into it if I was WADA and start to get the Essendon folk a little nervous. Then after 23 days or so appeal direct to CAS. Even with a small budget they can afford to look at it as they will be working from the ASADA and AFL tribunal notes / records that is unless the AFL Tribunal did not keep any records which given the irregularities in this case is highly possible.

Keep in mind WADA don't appeal to the AFL

You'd have to think they've had this in the wings waiting.

[sue 9,171]

Even if it's true that WADA has a small budget, ASADA and its staff has a lot at stake here, so it is likely that ASADA will be keen to do some of the work in the case to CAS as well as handing over all that they have.

Can ASADA appear in the appeal? Anyone know what CAS actually does in such a case? Take evidence or just review the ASADA and 'defence' cases and the Tribunal decision?

[beelzebub 23,390]

My understanding its purely up to CAS as to who or what it listens to etc.

I'd think it hard to exclude ASADAS participation in anything WADA presents.