On 13/11/2014 at 02:43, Georgiou R.R. Martin said:

The alarming thing is that we have a player not wanting to stay on our rookie list (bearing in mind he's long odds to get picked by another club).

That's really not a good sign that a guy would rather give up his shot at AFL than have another year as a rookie on very good money.

The ball is in Evans' court. Maybe he'll take the offer. Maybe the best thing for both parties is if he doesn't even if that means we pay out his full deal.

But at the end of the day I am glad we've brought in McCartney, Byrnes and Plapp because we can't have guys hating the Casey/MFC dynamic so much that they'd rather not even be on an AFL list.

Without knowledge it may also be possible that he either doesn't believe that Roos sees him as an option going forward or he is not prepared to do what is being asked of him. I use Blease as the example as one who said he did not like the direction of the game plan ( please note that I see this as a poor reflection on Blease, not on the game plan)

Can we change thread title to 'Michael Evans delisted'?

Good luck to him in his future endeavours, but clearly wasn't up to it for the most part despite giving his all.

Had a contract so deserves full pay out. Not his fault the guy who signed him had no idea how to manage a list.

Totally agree nutbean. All I learnt from the Blease saga is that he wanted it his way or no way at all. If Evans was the same, well then, good luck being successful champ.

Thanks for the service Michael.

I hope we don't rookie list him.

Farewell Pickles and good luck.

Welcome to the MFC pick 53.

So just to clarify, this now means we have picks 2, 3, 40, 42 (Stretch F/S), 53 & 83 (Jetta promotion) in the draft

Does this mean we now have picks 40 and 53 to use?

  On 13/11/2014 at 03:09, Demon Disciple said:

So just to clarify, this now means we have picks 2, 3, 40, 42 (Stretch F/S), 53 & 83 (Jetta promotion) in the draft

  On 13/11/2014 at 03:09, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Does this mean we now have picks 40 and 53 to use?

Yep, Live picks 2, 3, 40, and 53.

Shame for the young man, he played okay for us in 2012 but nI suppose you have the change to get better.

  On 13/11/2014 at 03:02, nutbean said:

Without knowledge it may also be possible that he either doesn't believe that Roos sees him as an option going forward or he is not prepared to do what is being asked of him. I use Blease as the example as one who said he did not like the direction of the game plan ( please note that I see this as a poor reflection on Blease, not on the game plan)

I'm only passing on reliable knowledge I've got. Which says whilst Evans isn't number one in the Paul Roos fan club the greater issue is how the players who were stuck at Casey last year felt as a whole.

I understand the importance of defensive effort, but Dom Barry got picked on the back of a 7 disposal game last year, only a couple of weeks after playing Casey reserves. Other guys had 25 touches each week and weren't getting a look in.

I mean in a bad team you have to be pretty good to win a lot of touches and also defend your own man and the wave of players coming against you. Personally I'd take the guy at least winning the ball because that's step one to winning a game.

Our lesser names being upset is hardly the end of the world. Don't let the broom hit you on the way out lads. But next year our lesser names at Casey will likely be quite a few kids. Almost by default some of the higher ranked kids of the last few years (Kent, Toumpas, JKH, Salem, Pick 2, Pick 3, even Frost, Newton or Michie, pick 40 this year) are going to be spending time at Casey. If they aren't then that's not a good sign for our senior players! I don't want them to be content being in the VFL, they need to strive to make it. But they have to have faith in the system. Langford from Hawthorn is the perfect model for how he knew his time at Box Hill would serve him well for the AFL and how despite barely playing a senior game in 3 years I think he felt he was on track for AFL success.

Love this new attitude from MFC !!!

Professional , ruthless , attacking , demanding

good

Barry and Evans were deadwood

The list is going to look so much better next season

Well, that will make a lot of people happy

  On 13/11/2014 at 03:16, hogans_heroes said:

good

Barry and Evans were deadwood

The list is going to look so much better next season

It may look much better, whether it will be much better however...

I agree that it is a sound decision if they don't rate Evans and/or he had issues with the new coaching group.

But dismissing contracted players is not without consequences, however seemingly minor.

Full benefit will now be got from that Frost trade now, unless they have a DFA lined up.

MFC has said: "If Evans does nominate for the national draft, the Club will give due consideration to a Rookie List position for him"

  On 13/11/2014 at 03:13, Georgiou R.R. Martin said:

I understand the importance of defensive effort, but Dom Barry got picked on the back of a 7 disposal game last year, only a couple of weeks after playing Casey reserves. Other guys had 25 touches each week and weren't getting a look in.

If you are concerned with pathway for players from Casey to MFC then would you suggest that Allison and Miller are problematic as are they not the conduit from Casey to MFC ?

There is another delisted free agent period I think starts tomorrow until mid next week, wouldn't be surprised if we get someone.

  On 13/11/2014 at 00:04, Georgiou R.R. Martin said:

We want to rookie him as we don't want to pay him for nothing and then pay another rookie to fill a list spot.

He's called our bluff and said if you dont want me that's fine. I'm not getting a game from the rookie list and Casey is a dump anyway, I'd rather play somewhere else. Roos doesn't like me, he didn't play me much at all last year, games should be harder to come by this year and I'm not having a Jetta year by a change of positions or big increase in fitness etc, so give me the money and I'll walk.

If Evans is on 200k and a rookie costs 55k then I guess the starting point for negotiations would be a payout of 145k to Evans. That way everyone could be happy.

Either the club balks and pays him more or even his full seasons salary (which after a decent 2013 might be more like 250k or even more) or Evans agrees to the rookie spot.

The clock is ticking.

That's not right. If the club delists someone who is in contract then they have to pay out their full contract. I don't think the club will mind this as we have excess salary space in 2015 and want to get rid of all the dead wood so we can target some big names at the end of 2015.

The one Roos thing I get from all the players is 'consistency' the players delisted up to now, for one reason or another, injury, illness, lack of preseason etc lacked consistency last year, Evans started his MFC career with stress fractures in is back, assume this put him back a year or two, he showed glimpses but obviously not enough to keep him on the list, Tappy is in the same boat......it also sends a very strong message to the list now

going into the draft and that we MAY consider him in the rookie draft. given that we have already paid him out I doubt we would then want to go and pay him a rookie contract as well. he is not that special, lots of other potentials out there. good bye and good luck.

  On 13/11/2014 at 03:55, Deecisive said:

going into the draft and that we MAY consider him in the rookie draft. given that we have already paid him out I doubt we would then want to go and pay him a rookie contract as well. he is not that special, lots of other potentials out there. good bye and good luck.

You have to remember the exact same sentiments you are expressing were said about Nev Jetta last year, who knows?

  On 13/11/2014 at 03:29, hardtack said:

MFC has said: "If Evans does nominate for the national draft, the Club will give due consideration to a Rookie List position for him"

My reading is that Evans has been told he's got no future at MFC as players like Salem, Newton, Riley, Michie and Toumpas are all considered better options.

I reckon he would have been offered at trade but for obvious reasons nobody is interested. His manager would have spoken to all club with no interest.

He's asking himself whether to gamble a year on the very long shot that he'll get a further opportunity or whether to just get on with life.

I'm rapt to know I'm finally following a ruthless club that doesn't hold onto list cloggers. Fingers crossed we never see the atrocious list management again that saw McKenzie and Jamar gifted 3 year contracts and Evans 2 years.

As I said all along, it made no sense to me how a rebuilding club that's won 6 games in 2 years could employ the best Development Coach in the league but bring in only 3 kids with picks 2, 3 and Stretch. Thank goodness the Frost trade can now reach its full potential and Taylor has to prove his worth.

  On 13/11/2014 at 03:13, Georgiou R.R. Martin said:

I'm only passing on reliable knowledge I've got. Which says whilst Evans isn't number one in the Paul Roos fan club the greater issue is how the players who were stuck at Casey last year felt as a whole.

I understand the importance of defensive effort, but Dom Barry got picked on the back of a 7 disposal game last year, only a couple of weeks after playing Casey reserves. Other guys had 25 touches each week and weren't getting a look in.

I mean in a bad team you have to be pretty good to win a lot of touches and also defend your own man and the wave of players coming against you. Personally I'd take the guy at least winning the ball because that's step one to winning a game.

Our lesser names being upset is hardly the end of the world. Don't let the broom hit you on the way out lads. But next year our lesser names at Casey will likely be quite a few kids. Almost by default some of the higher ranked kids of the last few years (Kent, Toumpas, JKH, Salem, Pick 2, Pick 3, even Frost, Newton or Michie, pick 40 this year) are going to be spending time at Casey. If they aren't then that's not a good sign for our senior players! I don't want them to be content being in the VFL, they need to strive to make it. But they have to have faith in the system. Langford from Hawthorn is the perfect model for how he knew his time at Box Hill would serve him well for the AFL and how despite barely playing a senior game in 3 years I think he felt he was on track for AFL success.

Heard the same regarding Strauss, Roos did not speak a word to him the entire year. I think that is really poor from the senior coach, at some point you still need to give those players hope of promotion and opportunity.

Good luck to Pickles in the future, hope all goes well in life after the Dees...

  On 13/11/2014 at 04:10, Baghdad Bob said:

My reading is that Evans has been told he's got no future at MFC as players like Salem, Newton, Riley, Michie and Toumpas are all considered better options.

I reckon he would have been offered at trade but for obvious reasons nobody is interested. His manager would have spoken to all club with no interest.

He's asking himself whether to gamble a year on the very long shot that he'll get a further opportunity or whether to just get on with life.

Exactly what Nev did, I spoke to Tappy, he is under no illusions where he stands eiither