Demoneyes 562 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 We obviously want pick 53 or PSD2, who's available?
Tough Kent 2,138 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 Pick 53 I would suggest. As many on here have mentioned the PSD is just about irrelevant. You either get blokes onto your list in a trade, at the Nov draft or as a FA or DFA. McClure suggested that we were looking at paying him out. So that would give us picks 2, 3 ,40 and 53 and 2 rookie spots as live picks.
Bossdog 2,002 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 Jetta progressed well and established himself within the best 22. Hard to find an excuse for him going backwards One year ago people were saying the same thing about Jetta....List clogger, ect....During the year he got his act together and people are all over him for his improvement....I take it that Evans doesn't get the same latitude???
chook fowler 19,787 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 He's been around a few years now and has had ample opportunity. Time to give someone else ago.
Grimes is Great 183 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 Get rid of him. Maybe we could grab Tutt from the Bulldogs???
demonoid 317 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 We obviously want pick 53 or PSD2, who's available?sam grimley
DeeSpencer 26,717 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 So as I have made somewhat clear I had source that said the club was looking to pay out Evans (or the initial choice either rookie or get Evans to walk away from his contract). I thought Barry's retirement would actually help Evans. Gets that extra pick we needed. The more I think about it, it either doesn't change the situation (if you're coming from the Redleg stance) or it actually makes Evans position shakier. The club just saved probably close to 150k on Barry going and replacing him with a draft pick (200k v 50k base salary). We can now use that to afford to pay out Evans. Finances are definitely taken in to account here. I think Evans will get paid out in a mutual agreement.
flamindees 16 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 Hope we use both picks 40 & 53 and would be happy with any two of Oscar McDonald, Ed Langdon, Touk Miller, Caleb Daniel or Matthew Panos. That, in addition to Sam Frost makes me feel pretty comfortable with us giving up Evans and pick 23.
Redleg 42,195 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 You had high hopes for him Redleg have you changed your opinion? Unfortunately yes.
picket fence 18,233 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 Where does Jordy 'Skills" Mc Kenzie stand in all this??
Redleg 42,195 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 Where does Jordy 'Skills" Mc Kenzie stand in all this?? I think if we delist Evans that will be it.
Moonshadow 17,678 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 Forgive my ignorance, but isn't 53 reserved for Jetta upgrade? That means someone else needs to go for us to use 40 and 53. Is that right?
spirit of norm smith 16,681 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 No. If Evans is delisted (which I agree with) then pick 53 is in play. Next pick is then for Jetta upgrade. draft #2,3,40,53 plus rookie draft #2, 20. I agree all the Bailey & Neeld sins are being addressed.
Beats 190 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dom-barry-quits-afl-leaves-melbourne-to-return-home/story-fni5f91a-1227120387215 "Melbourne on-baller Michael Evans is also considering his future, with the Demons intent on dropping him to the rookie list today."
John Crow Batty 8,895 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 No. If Evans is delisted (which I agree with) then pick 53 is in play. Next pick is then for Jetta upgrade. draft #2,3,40,53 plus rookie draft #2, 20. I agree all the Bailey & Neeld sins are being addressed. It appears now that ruthless decisions are being made on football considerations rather than political.
Arrow 1,257 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dom-barry-quits-afl-leaves-melbourne-to-return-home/story-fni5f91a-1227120387215 "Melbourne on-baller Michael Evans is also considering his future, with the Demons intent on dropping him to the rookie list today." My very basic understanding of the scenario is that club wants him on rookie on same $. He doesn't want to be rookied, he said he'll retire but than that would involve club paying $$$ to not play. Quite a game of chess by the looks of the news reports. I think they'll pay him out and delist him.
Watts Jurrah Dunn? 735 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 One year ago people were saying the same thing about Jetta....List clogger, ect....During the year he got his act together and people are all over him for his improvement....I take it that Evans doesn't get the same latitude??? For every Jetta that magically turns it around after 5 years on the list there are 10 that won't and shouldn't be given the opportunity. Evans is a 6 ft dime a dozen midfielder with no point of difference. It was atrocious list management offering him anymore than 1 year at a time, just as it was giving McKenzie and Jamar 3 years.
chook fowler 19,787 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 If he retires are we obliged to pay him? Seems to be that Evans would be the one breaking the contract. As long as he was getting the same $$$ surely it is our right to rookie him. However would rather him gone - sounds like he will be disaffected anyway.
Deecisive 1,709 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 My very basic understanding of the scenario is that club wants him on rookie on same $. He doesn't want to be rookied, he said he'll retire but than that would involve club paying $$$ to not play. Quite a game of chess by the looks of the news reports. I think they'll pay him out and delist him. He obviously does not want to be at the club and seems to not have faith in his ability to progress to the level he needs to be at to be on the senior list. Let him go and draft someone with the right attitude.
Roger Mellie 4,205 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 My very basic understanding of the scenario is that club wants him on rookie on same $. He doesn't want to be rookied, he said he'll retire but than that would involve club paying $$$ to not play. Quite a game of chess by the looks of the news reports. I think they'll pay him out and delist him. I suspect he wants to be at the club, is seeing the writing on the wall and that's his manager doing all the chess moves.
Beats 190 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 If he retires are we obliged to pay him? Seems to be that Evans would be the one breaking the contract. As long as he was getting the same $$$ surely it is our right to rookie him. However would rather him gone - sounds like he will be disaffected anyway. Depends on the circumstances of the retirement. We paid out (some) of Mitch Clark's contract when he retired. I'm of the opinion that 'retired' is a nice way of saying delisted in this scenario. For us to rookie list him, the club would have to delist him then draft him through the rookie draft. He can always turn around and say no I don't want to be drafted, which essentially turns in to us paying him out.
Deecisive 1,709 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 if he wants to be at the club then his manager has a funny way of showing it. certainly not doing Evans any favors. Most players will only get one shot at playing football at this level, if he does not rookie with melbourne then he may find his dream of playing alf is over so are the large pay checks he has been receiving. Being a rookie gives him a chance to continue to improve himself and strive for that dream of staying on the seniors list for another 6 years or so, taking the money and running is likely to be the end of his career.
JTR 2,910 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 So, having had a read through this... http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37039-key-trade-draft-and-free-agency-dates/ I take it 2pm today is the cutoff for a decision on Evans?
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