On 20/08/2014 at 04:34, ChaserJ said:

.... How long can we wait? How long can the competition afford to wait?

this is the most relevant question

continued failure of melbourne hurts the whole competition as well as just melbourne

having a merger or relocating solves little economically for the whole competition

does anyone really think having a dedicated team in tasmania would be an improvement?

it would just be another broke team drawing sub 20k crowds and being propped up by the afl

a merger just creates more byes and less games for the tv rights

if the afl believes in a fair equalisation scheme it must do something that impacts on melbourne's player list in the short term

i have little confidence they have the will to act independently or effectively as they are too blindly beholden to other "infuences"

i expect no more than the same piddling snake-oil spin they gave last year

  On 19/08/2014 at 15:00, chook fowler said:

In a way we're stuffed if Chip doesn't go and there is no priority pick.

Really hope he does after Sundays effort ( or lack there of ).

I wouldn't worry about Chip mate he made his mind up last year.

Trade all draft & PP's if granted.We need senior players, we had senior players Bailey told them they are not needed, how can we get senior players now, you buy them, we spent all our money on Dawes & Roos. Neeld tried this but had no idea what a footballer is, if you had a medal around your neck he thought you must be a champion (Dawes,Byrnes). Roos knows this as well & has had better judgement ( Cross, Vince) he will continue to do this during the of season,look out if your a deadwood player with any value, if he could Trade Dawes, Frawley, Watts for lets say value 1.5m he will replace with 5 x $300,000 senior players. Culling Time.

  On 20/08/2014 at 04:50, daisycutter said:

this is the most relevant question

continued failure of melbourne hurts the whole competition as well as just melbourne

having a merger or relocating solves little economically for the whole competition

does anyone really think having a dedicated team in tasmania would be an improvement?

it would just be another broke team drawing sub 20k crowds and being propped up by the afl

a merger just creates more byes and less games for the tv rights

if the afl believes in a fair equalisation scheme it must do something that impacts on melbourne's player list in the short term

i have little confidence they have the will to act independently or effectively as they are too blindly beholden to other "infuences"

i expect no more than the same piddling snake-oil spin they gave last year

Unfortunately dc club self interest means the majority are happy for us to stay easy beats until we fail to exist in five years time.

A number of footy goes I know think we will be the Tassie team in five years time.

Suits them just fine.

We also have to understand that in an eighteen team competition there are always going to be 4 - 6 clubs that cannot cut the mustard.

There are too many teams IMO but that is a separate discussion.

  On 20/08/2014 at 05:02, old dee said:

Unfortunately dc club self interest means the majority are happy for us to stay easy beats until we fail to exist in five years time.

A number of footy goes I know think we will be the Tassie team in five years time.

Suits them just fine.

We also have to understand that in an eighteen team competition there are always going to be 4 - 6 clubs that cannot cut the mustard.

There are too many teams IMO but that is a separate discussion.

you are only agreeing with me od

but my real point was that continued failure is bad also for everyone at least economically

and that a re-location (esp to tassie) does not resolve that but just perpetuates it

This Emma Quayle, right? Demons' form defies need for priority pick

  On 20/08/2014 at 05:14, daisycutter said:

you are only agreeing with me od

but my real point was that continued failure is bad also for everyone at least economically

and that a re-location (esp to tassie) does not resolve that but just perpetuates it

Yes but the difference is the AFL will support it like GWS and GCS.

Down deep inside now that AD is gone the AFL want less sides in Victoria that just mouth otherwise.

By the way I agree with you but I just think it is like the "Clash jumper" no power so we cop what they dish out.

I will be extremely surprised if a pp is ever handed out again.

Sorry we will get a lot when we are based in Tassie.

  On 20/08/2014 at 05:16, Tony Tea said:

This Emma Quayle, right? Demons' form defies need for priority pick

She is philosophically opposed to hand outs. But she doesn't see that the impact is a much longer cycle for teams at the bottom which eventually ends in weak clubs folding.

i might have to join you at uni blacks' games after all od

  On 20/08/2014 at 05:23, Fat Tony said:

She is philosophically opposed to hand outs. But she doesn't see that the impact is a much longer cycle for teams at the bottom which eventually ends in weak clubs folding.

For everyone outside the folding clubs they don't care FT

Did I really care when South went to Sydney, did I really care when Fitzroy ended up in Brisbane, or if North had become the GCS?

A little sad perhaps but No.

Emma Quayle is spot on.

We don't deserve a priority pick. Full stop.

Fact is. We weed...... no sh@t in the bed, so we should sleep in it.

Nuff-nuffs were in charge of the asylum. The supporter-base didn't have the brains, nor wherewithal to place high standards on those in power. Unfortunately this has a flow-on effect.

If I was a bulldog, Geelong, Richmond, St.Kilda supporter etc... I'd be saying that the MFC are in this position because of its gross incompetency over a decade, and they can suffer the consequence of their own pathetic decisions. What do we want now, Stefan Martin back?

These are my long-held objective views; anything else is either blatantly biased and/or plain wrong.

TGR.

  On 20/08/2014 at 05:25, daisycutter said:

i might have to join you at uni blacks' games after all od

It is way better than going to the G dc

You can even have a pie and not have to take out a second mortgage.

  On 20/08/2014 at 05:28, TGR said:

Emma Quayle is spot on.

We don't deserve a priority pick. Full stop.

Fact is. We weed...... no sh@t in the bed, so we should sleep in it.

Nuff-nuffs were in charge of the asylum. The supporter-base didn't have the brains, nor wherewithal to place high standards on those in power. Unfortunately this has a flow-on effect.

If I was a bulldog, Geelong, Richmond, St.Kilda supporter etc... I'd be saying that the MFC are in this position because of its gross incompetency over a decade, and they can suffer the consequence of their own pathetic decisions. What do we want now, Stefan Martin back?

These are my long-held objective views; anything else is either blatantly biased and/or plain wrong.

TGR.

TGR..its not about deserving. The is a facility within the AFL's own rules that can provide one under certain criteria. We qualify. Its really as simple as that.

The rest is waffle really. Under the current conditions we could use one. As to taste in the mouth, thats life.

edit..Do I think we'll get one ? again not a chance in hell as the AFL seem to ignore there own guidelines half the time and make it up on the fly....to suit.

It is clear that Evans has said we won't get a PP and that he believes exceptional circumstances relate to death.

Given that decree, we should now forget about the PP, it won't happen, unless Gill overrules him, which is unlikely.

I know I've been reading fans on other teams forums say something a lot the lines of this, 'if Melbourne get a priority pick, I'm quitting watching AFL'

No exaggeration at all...idk why they get soo [censored]. It's one draft pick to the shiittest team in the AFL

  On 20/08/2014 at 05:02, old dee said:

Unfortunately dc club self interest means the majority are happy for us to stay easy beats until we fail to exist in five years time.

A number of footy goes I know think we will be the Tassie team in five years time.

Suits them just fine.

We also have to understand that in an eighteen team competition there are always going to be 4 - 6 clubs that cannot cut the mustard.

There are too many teams IMO but that is a separate discussion.

Club self interest would also see several want to see us have a PP because we have shown a willingness to trade them.

That's the point of Roos coming out on Monday to say pick 2 is on the table again.

He has said that last year clubs did not think we were serious about trading pick 2 so they did not offer much. At the same time the other clubs were opposing us getting a PP. If they had known they could have traded for it maybe they would not have wanted to block us getting it.

I think our strategy this time was to hope that last year's Dom Tyson trade would have had the other clubs less resistant to us having an extra pick.

It's pretty clear it won't work though.

  On 20/08/2014 at 05:46, Redleg said:

It is clear that Evans has said we won't get a PP and that he believes exceptional circumstances relate to death.

Given that decree, we should now forget about the PP, it won't happen, unless Gill overrules him, which is unlikely.

Gil is too busy making sure he looks good at keeping entry prices the same as last year Redleg

I am probably biased but I have real trouble liking this guy.

He looks like a light weight to me.

People seem to forget that last year Gill was actually in favour of us getting a PP and we had a strong case to answer.

  On 20/08/2014 at 05:55, old dee said:

Gil is too busy making sure he looks good at keeping entry prices the same as last year Redleg

I am probably biased but I have real trouble liking this guy.

He looks like a light weight to me.

this was enough OD

Of course supporters of other teams are gonna be [censored].
If it was their club getting the PP they would be over the moon, take it and run.

Although the general consensus I get through friends who don't particularly dislike melb, is that there is reason, and on the basis of helping the new management get a grip of the situation and rectify the mistakes of the past, then yes they should get a pick.

But to the general public - most are ignorant to the finer details and ins and outs of the club, they think 'why should they get another low pick, they've stuffed up so many' - without taking into account the change in management and the task they face.

I find this very interesting:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-20/do-the-demons-need-a-priority-pick

The poll right now shows 33% in favour of the dees getting a PP.

When the exact same poll was embedded in the Barrett article this morning, it was sitting at 27%.

Quite an upswing. Interesting how an article presenting both sides of an argument produced a 6% increase in favourable votes over Barrett's ill thought out negativity rant.

  On 20/08/2014 at 05:46, Redleg said:

It is clear that Evans has said we won't get a PP and that he believes exceptional circumstances relate to death.

Given that decree, we should now forget about the PP, it won't happen, unless Gill overrules him, which is unlikely.

The only hope we have is Gil.

About this time last year he said (in a Ch 7 interview) there was a good case for the Dees to get a pp. Then all the other clubs ganged up and he couldn't get it through.

Also, he is a very passionate St Kilda supporter so the only way they can get one in the next few years is if Gil goes to bat for us now (unless AFL hypocracy kicks in when the Saints put their hand up.)

Time for Gil to show his mettle and make a strong decision for what is right and not what can be lobbied, otherwise it will always be 'survival of the fittest'!!

BTW, where on earth did Evans dig up this new pp interpretation of 'only in tragic circumstances' BS!!!

given mfc supporters would be <5% and most club supporters are quite insular on these matters, then 33% is actually quite strong support

  On 19/08/2014 at 23:29, olisik said:

We lost Jurrah Clark and Bartram for nothing. 3 of our best 22.

you can add Cameron Bruce to that list...

Evans has been crapping on about the dees probably not qualifying for a pp. He said along the line of a pp is there in case a club losses a player by an unexpected occurrence ie passing away then the club needed it to help restore the list.

WTF?????

They put the criteria up on the couch I think and it was to do with wins and losses over an extended period amongst other things which I can't remember at this point but when I was watching it we QUALIFED for a pp.

Really don't know what Evans is crapping on about. He seems to be in his own world with his own agenda IMO.