What JKH might well bring is someone who can finish the job and score.

Quite honestly the kicking of Dawes and Grimes was nothing short of pathetic. . I mean Dawes a noted fwd ...and Grines at point blank all but.

We need to maintain the rage ( STS ) in defence but we also need to take full advantage of scoreboard opportuniites. Jay knows where the posts are.

I guess, but surely any player, no matter what role, is expected to touch the ball every now and again. When McKenzie went back to Casey, there seemed to be a clear message to work on his ability to hurt the opposition as well as be defensive. I realise Barry is young and at a radically different phase of development, but I'd have thought the place to develop in that manner would be at Casey.

Salem played the entire game and had 7 touches.

Dom Barry is playing a defensive role for the team, he played about 15 minutes last week and about 25 last night.

There'd be about 5 blokes I'd drop ahead of him based off last nights team performance, and you can't just promote people at casey for the sake of it.

Jetta comes back in for Gawn. We look incredibly slow with Gawn in the side

Edited July 6, 201411 yr by Red and Blue Flame

What JKH might well bring is someone who can finish the job and score.

Quite honestly the kicking of Dawes and Grimes was nothing short of pathetic. . I mean Dawes a noted fwd ...and Grines at point blank all but.

We need to maintain the rage ( STS ) in defence but we also need to take full advantage of scoreboard opportuniites. Jay knows where the posts are.

He's a very average set shot for goal 'BB'.

when was the last time we played Geelong at the MCG?

Seems like an eternity

when was the last time we played Geelong at the MCG?

Seems like an eternity

I think Bails first year? Pretty sure we were down by nearly 10 goals to zip at qtr time.

when was the last time we played Geelong at the MCG?

Seems like an eternity

Round 6, 2009. Haven't had a home game against them since.

This is also only the second year since 2001 that we haven't had to go to Geelong (the other year was 2007).

Edit: IIRC it was the game where Ablett scored a goal in the first 10 seconds.

Edited July 6, 201411 yr by titan_uranus

Ins ... Tapscott, Blease, Jetta, JKH

Outs ... Gawn , Salem, Terlich, Barry

In: Jetta, JHK

Out: Barry, Gawn (or Terlich depending on weather)

Ins ... Tapscott, Blease, Jetta, JKH

Outs ... Gawn , Salem, Terlich, Barry

My only difference would be to promote Michie not Tapscott given his ability to find the ball. But I realise that won't happen.

Tapscott and Jetta in.

From the info that the club has been providing, Blease hasn't done enough, nor has JKH ... though we'll have to wait for the review to see what happened on Saturday, seems he was heavily tagged after his starring role the previous week.

Out: Gawn, though depends on match ups? Then, you'd presume one of Salem, Barry or perhaps Terlich (back for a back if Jetta comes back in).

Also need to allow for any mystery injuries, in which case suspect that Terlich would hold his place.

But ... getting to be a bit of deck-chair shuffling. The only real difference-maker potentially available is Hogan, and he's still a way off.

Frustratingly, I expect it to be Terlich out, Jetta in. Getting rather dreary, this year.

I think Bails first year? Pretty sure we were down by nearly 10 goals to zip at qtr time.

Melbourne v Geelong Sunday, May 3, 2009

MCG, 2.10pm AEST, crowd: 36,933

MEL 2.4-16 4.6-30 6.7-43 10.8-68

GEE 3.3-21 9.8-62 12.17-89 15.21-111

Goals: Geelong: Steve Johnson 4, Cameron Mooney 3, Max Rooke 2, Travis Varcoe 2, Gary Ablett, Paul Chapman, Tom Hawkins, Mathew Stokes. Melbourne: Russell Robertson 3, Brad Miller 2, Jamie Bennell, Paul Johnson, Cale Morton, Ricky Petterd, Colin Sylvia.

Best: Geelong: Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson, Jimmy Bartel, Joel Selwood, Gary Ablett, Joel Corey, Corey Enright. Melbourne: Aaron Davey, Brent Moloney, Brock McLean, Russell Robertson, James Frawley, John Meesen.

John Meesen in our best players. LOL

Edited July 6, 201411 yr by hogans_heroes

Oops. Postus interruptus. See full post below.

Edited July 6, 201411 yr by bjDee

I'm curious what posters mean when you say 'so and so needs a rest'.

Does that mean go back to Casey, or not play at all next week?

I am sympathetic to the way it 'sounds' right for a particular player but when you think it through,what does it really mean?

If it means go back to Casey, how can that be a rest? We expect players to earn their way back into the senior team. If they play at Casey, they have to outperform their teammates for a few weeks in a row to deserve the next callup.

If they have a true 'rest' and dont play at all for a week, how do they prove they are worthy of the next senior selection? Outperform for the next few weeks at Casey? And does that mean they are then close to needing another rest just as they are promoted?

I really don't have an answer - what do you mean by a 'rest'?

Edited July 6, 201411 yr by bjDee

I guess, but surely any player, no matter what role, is expected to touch the ball every now and again. When McKenzie went back to Casey, there seemed to be a clear message to work on his ability to hurt the opposition as well as be defensive. I realise Barry is young and at a radically different phase of development, but I'd have thought the place to develop in that manner would be at Casey.

they're trying him out, to see here he's at, & what he brings at this stage. there will be changes at end of season; we have to get them right.

6. Viney

5. McDonald

4. Matt Jones

3. Nate Jones

2. Bail

1. Garland

I have liked Roos' "trust the players" selection policy for most of the year but enough is enough. Too many big men, a forward line that doesn't kick goals, and too many players who can't kick. We can't drop all the culprits, but some need to go.

OUT: Terlich, Gawn, Salem, maybe Bail

IN: Jetta, JKH, Blease, maybe Tappy

Only 9 posters have voted in Demonland's Player of the Year and one gave Bail votes. Yet on this thread Bail is proposed for demotion. It suggests that either posters see things very differently or some people didn't see anything at all.

Melbourne v Geelong Sunday, May 3, 2009

MCG, 2.10pm AEST, crowd: 36,933

MEL 2.4-16 4.6-30 6.7-43 10.8-68

GEE 3.3-21 9.8-62 12.17-89 15.21-111

Goals: Geelong: Steve Johnson 4, Cameron Mooney 3, Max Rooke 2, Travis Varcoe 2, Gary Ablett, Paul Chapman, Tom Hawkins, Mathew Stokes. Melbourne: Russell Robertson 3, Brad Miller 2, Jamie Bennell, Paul Johnson, Cale Morton, Ricky Petterd, Colin Sylvia.

Best: Geelong: Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson, Jimmy Bartel, Joel Selwood, Gary Ablett, Joel Corey, Corey Enright. Melbourne: Aaron Davey, Brent Moloney, Brock McLean, Russell Robertson, James Frawley, John Meesen.

John Meesen in our best players. LOL

A few handy players in Geelong's best that day!

Wow. Good effort to keep the loss to 43 points.

Not too many changes remember we played a probable grand final team with only one forward and ruckman up front and only got spanked in the one quarter. Not a great result but also not a disaster.

I would leave Gawn in the side but probably bring in JKH for either Barry or Salem. I dont think we can have both in the team against Geelongs big bodies and I just recon we look more dangerous with JKH in the side.

Geelong have a great defence and we cant leave the entire forward role up to Dawes on his own. He at least needs Gawn to take a defender away. Chip will have to stay back on Hawkins IMO.

Under the Roos' philosophy - I dont expect any more than 2-3 changes this week - simply because except for Jetta and perhaps JKH and Tapscott - nobody has done enough at Casey to warrant promotion.Without knowing the roles they have been given it is difficult for us to judge players like Barry, Salem and Bail.

I suspect that one of the reasons Big Max was selected is that he gives the opposition ruckman someone else to think about which makes Jamar a better player.The tag team worked in a day game against the Bulldogs. It didn't work in a night game against Freo. I reckon they knew that was a possibility when they decided to go with it.

Jetta in and perhaps one or two other changes at most

Under the Roos' philosophy - I dont expect any more than 2-3 changes this week - simply because except for Jetta and perhaps JKH and Tapscott - nobody has done enough at Casey to warrant promotion.Without knowing the roles they have been given it is difficult for us to judge players like Barry, Salem and Bail.

I suspect that one of the reasons Big Max was selected is that he gives the opposition ruckman someone else to think about which makes Jamar a better player.The tag team worked in a day game against the Bulldogs. It didn't work in a night game against Freo. I reckon they knew that was a possibility when they decided to go with it.

Jetta in and perhaps one or two other changes at most

Forgot about Jetta. Maybe Jetta for Grimes, I thought he was ordinary

they're trying him out, to see here he's at, & what he brings at this stage. there will be changes at end of season; we have to get them right.

They're not. You can "see where a player is at" by seeing how they go at Casey. If that was the case we'd have seen every player on the list play.

They must just believe he's adequately playing the role he's being asked to do.

With Tom McDonald, Dunn, Garland and Frawley all playing and Jetta to return, does one of Frawley, Dunn or Garland go to the forward line? That would leave no room for one of the other talls (most obviously Gawn) with Pedersen providing Jamar with backup.

So, IN: Jetta and OUT: Gawn.

I'm sure Salem could do with a rest, but I have no idea how those challenging for his position are going. And I wouldn't mind seeing how Tapscott, Blease and Michie might go under the Roos gameplan before the year is out.

Maybe we should run a rotation between JKH, Salem and Dom B. Big season first up.

Barry looked lost to be honest

Gawn out, Jetta in

Unfortunately, Maxy was ordinary & needs to drop back to VFL

Jetta into the back line (which now has plenty of our top line players)

Howe to the forward line (for more pace and to snag a few goals)