GOODBYE MR. CHIP FRAWLEY

[Ted Lasso 19,311]

I reckon it will be around 650 k

[SPC 3,534]

That's basically the point made by a few on Sundays Game Day.

The consensus was somewhere around the 500k mark, which was first suggested by Tom Harley.

I think if he is 500k a year and is open to stay, then we should consider signing on that. Compensation at 500k will not help us land a good replacement, and we will still have some draft picks to focus on the midfield.

But without knowing the inner workings of the club, it is hard to know whether Frawley is that focused or if he is the one of the guys who Roos referred to as 'having scars' from previous beltings.

[Ted Lasso 19,311]

I am still confident 500k for 4 years would net us band 1 compensation, his age and standing in the team would tip it

[beelzebub 23,313]

The whisper i got about 2 months ago was he is in all likely hood heading to Geelong. Nothing in concrete as it cant really be ( wink)

Coin around the 600 mark...for 4 years with a kicker

Curiously its not a football type source but someone who runs a business down that way.

Now could be a yarn....could be the goods ...Time will tell

[picket fence 17,056]

I also agree with beezlebub in that several weeks ago I obtained the same info and posted it on this site!

AT THIS PIONT I WOULD PREFER HE GOES, this will give us some room to move re trading and manoeuvring ( and plenty of spare cash) for other more pressing needs.

I think he is looong gone. So lets start preparing for 2015 without him!

[Nasher 33,607]

If he stays, it will be for an amount that would make most of us blush. So long as it doesn't cause a salary cap issue - and it won't - I still can't work out why any fan would give a flying fig about that.

[Axis of Bob 11,686]

If he stays, it will be for an amount that would make most of us blush. So long as it doesn't cause a salary cap issue - and it won't - I still can't work out why any fan would give a flying fig about that.

Insecurity.

[KingDingAling 3,752]

If he stays, it will be for an amount that would make most of us blush. So long as it doesn't cause a salary cap issue - and it won't - I still can't work out why any fan would give a flying fig about that.

We've overpaid enough players in recent times - and none of them have really produced.

Davey, Dawes, Clark, and now Frawley.

600k, keep walking.

I'd rather pay a couple players from GWS 300k each - both would have more potential than Frawley.

[Ted Lasso 19,311]

Riv would be in his ear bigtime

[Dockett 32 1,239]

Dawes and Frawley haven't produced?

Boy we all see things differently.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,826]

Riv would be in his ear bigtime

I believe a few of the Gellong players were after the game on Saturday

[DemonOX 8,787]

hes not that talented

That doesn't matter mac the media will have a frenzy.

[Macca 16,923]

I can't imagine someone like Frawley holding out and then re-signing unless ... he is genuinely looking at getting maximum coin from 2 or 3 different clubs with salary cap space (including our club) or ... good money from a genuine contender.

What he may not see coming is our clubs attitude to the whole saga ... if we've played our cards right, we might decide to wish him well in his future endeavors and let him go (if he receives a good offer) In other words, call his bluff at the last moment. Or ... he may be a required player who we don't want to lose. Roos knows the answer to that question whilst we can only speculate.

Pick 3 or 4 might then come our way if we were to lose James. We could turn that pick into a decent player and a later first round draft pick (similar to the Tyson/Salem deal) Coupled with our "other" first round pick, we could end up with 3 top prospects.

We've got a poor list and we need to find a way to fast track our list into a much better list. A couple more Vince or Cross type signings on top of that and we've (in theory) brought 5 decent players into the club in one hit. We might also get lucky with our 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks as well ... we could do with a bit of luck. JKH, Kent and McDonald have been more than handy "late" picks so it's not impossible.

I can also see the club trying to find new homes for a couple/few of our contracted players. 3rd and 4th round draft picks might come back in return. Let's not forget that Roos let 12* players go from the 2013 list (including 3 rookies) For the most part, he'd seen enough and didn't want to have another look. A similar scenario may well transpire at the end of this season.

*The 12 players let go from the 2013 list

Sylvia (free agent)

Rodan

Tynan

Taggert

Davis

Davey (retired)

Sellar

Macdonald

Gillies

Magner

Couch

Stark

n.b ... 14 players were released or traded out at the end of the 2012 season (including Morton, Martin and Gysberts who were all contracted at the time) Rivers and Moloney left as free agents.

26 players out over the course of 2 off seasons was the wash-up.

Edited July 14, 2014 by Macca

[Born to Run 204]

I can't imagine someone like Frawley holding out and then re-signing unless ... he is genuinely is looking at getting maximum coin from 2 or 3 different clubs with salary cap space (including our club) or ... good money from a genuine contender.

What he may not see coming is our clubs attitude to the whole saga ... if we've played our cards right, we might decide to wish him well in his future endeavors and let him go (if he receives a good offer) In other words, call his bluff at the last moment. Or ... he may be a required player who we don't want to lose. Roos knows the answer to that question whilst we can only speculate.

Pick 3 or 4 might then come our way if we were to lose James. We could in turn that pick into a decent player and a later first round draft pick (similar to the Tyson/Salem deal) Coupled with our "other" first round pick, we could end up with 3 top prospects.

We've got a poor list and we need to find a way to fast track our list into a much better list. A couple more Vince or Cross type signings on top of that and we've (in theory) brought 5 decent players into the club in one hit. We might also get lucky with our 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks as well ... we could do with a bit of luck. JKH, Kent and McDonald have been more than handy "late" picks so it's not impossible.

I can also see the club trying to find new homes for a couple/few of our contracted players. 3rd and 4th round draft picks might come back in return. Let's not forget that Roos let 12* players go from the 2013 list (including 3 rookies) For the most part, he'd seen enough and didn't want to have another look. A similar scenario may well transpire at the end of this season.

*The 12 players let go from the 2013 list

Sylvia (free agent)

Roden

Tynan

Taggert

Davis

Davey (retired)

Sellar

Macdonald

Gillies

Magner

Couch

Stark

n.b ... 14 players were released or traded out at the end of the 2012 season (including Morton, Martin and Gysberts who were all contracted at the time) Rivers and Moloney left as free agents.

26 players out over the course of 2 off seasons was the wash-up.

And if Roos did another 10 this year (which is what is being forecasted) that would be 36 out of 44 in 3 years, surely some kind of record?!?!

[daisycutter 29,604]

And if Roos did another 10 this year (which is what is being forecasted) that would be 36 out of 44 in 3 years, surely some kind of record?!?!

although some of those would be duplicates (some outs same as some ins in same period)

[Born to Run 204]

Good point daisy. I still reckon there would be few lists that have been turned over as much as ours, and that will be backed up statistically after this off season. Christ it's depressing. Was trying to be upbeat this season, but this week the camels back was broken (again, after many post season operations!)

[Macca 16,923]

And if Roos did another 10 this year (which is what is being forecasted) that would be 36 out of 44 in 3 years, surely some kind of record?!?!

Close enough, BtR.

There's 21 players left from the completed 2012 season ... 'dc's post above explains the discrepancy in numbers somewhat ... here's the 2012 list

It will be a huge turnover of the list, all the same (even if there's only 7 or 8 changes at year's end) I reckon we'll somehow make 10 changes to the list and I expect the club to be quite an active player in the off-season.

[daisycutter 29,604]

what concerns me most is just where are we going to get quality replacements

after all there are 17 other clubs picking over the bones too

i know we have got to do it but i don't hold much hope we can achieve much in strengthening the list in the short term

it's going to be (another) slow rebuild

[dee-luded 2,959]

If that is true which it could be, you would want to think that Harry Taylor is on $1.6m per year; because he is clearly twice the defender that Frawley is...

I think Rivers gave him a good reference. & also to Peterd as well.

word has it that maloney could re-tern to the hollow as a rookie?

[jumbo returns 6,740]

Frawley is the best hand puncher in the comp.

Everytime he stuffs up he punches his left hand with his right.

God knows he should be the best, he gets enough practice.

PS. My Avatar and handle will change next year, any suggestions.

Natalie Portman.

[Grimes is Great 183]

Frawley is after a 7 year deal, that's what his manager is putting to interested clubs.

[dee-luded 2,959]

So how did it affect Hawthorn last year regarding Franklin? Your opinion can't change from team to team.

I knew we weren't crap, the players are just distracted giving a [censored] about Frawley!

it shows less in a hardened professional outfit, than it does hurt a battling one, with scars. this band would be concerned with losing any good players. it hamstrings their ability for near success, in most minds.

but the coaches know its better to have committed players working together, with fresh talent coming thru to train up the right way.

[daisycutter 29,604]

Frawley is after a 7 year deal, that's what his manager is putting to interested clubs.

and good luck to that

[dee-luded 2,959]

Agree he can stay if the price is right. The current admin won't pay overs. They're not as stupid as Frawley and his manager think.

Anyway the question is moot because he is long gone.

would you rather have 'Chip' now in Red'n'Blue, or Shiel or Tomlinson? next year. I think our future is clear.

[beelzebub 23,313]

Frawley is after a 7 year deal, that's what his manager is putting to interested clubs.