GOODBYE MR. CHIP FRAWLEY

[Wiseblood 24,637]

And what a huge flaw it is...

If I could swap Frawley for a commensurately talented mid - I would do it. But the world doesn't work like that.

I would do it in a heart beat as well, but I'm just not convinced at this stage that there are midfielders available that will warrant a pick at the top end of the draft. I'm worried that GWS, unless a player is desperate to come back to Vic, will be interested in yet more picks when it's clear they need more experience rather than youth. Outside of their plethora of mids I'm not sure who we will target and just who is actually available for the price we can pay.

[hoopla 418]

I would do it in a heart beat as well, but I'm just not convinced at this stage that there are midfielders available that will warrant a pick at the top end of the draft. I'm worried that GWS, unless a player is desperate to come back to Vic, will be interested in yet more picks when it's clear they need more experience rather than youth. Outside of their plethora of mids I'm not sure who we will target and just who is actually available for the price we can pay.

Chip is one of only a handful of Melbourne players who would get a game in most - if not all - the other 17 clubs.Whether or not we use the compensation for his loss to find a first grade midfielder is problematical. In pure trade terms, I'm not sure you can say anything other than that.

There is another issue at play here.What does it telegraph to the rest of the football community that a senior player turns his back on $1m over 3 to 5 years to be part of what Paul Roos is building here? How much more are we going to have to pay to entice someone away from GWS,say, if they see a senior player who has been part of Roos' Melbourne walk out the door?

We can rationalise - "it's just the money" - but the suspicion that he doubts Roos' ability to turn us into a serious contender in the next 5 years will remain. As a show of faith in the club - and in Roos ability to develop a suitable successor - I think it is important that Chip stays.

If Roosy really is building belief - then all his team leaders - should want to stay.

[Maggot 1977 263]

IMO Chip is has decided to go a long time ago and a deal has already been made. If all and sundry can see the direction the club is taking and he can not then so be it , we are better to have a bargaining chip to wave around at trade time

[nutbean 8,838]

IMO Chip is has decided to go a long time ago and a deal has already been made. If all and sundry can see the direction the club is taking and he can not then so be it , we are better to have a bargaining chip to wave around at trade time

He may have decided to go but why would you make the deal now when there are multiple suitors - I would be playing Geelong Freo GC and the Hawks off against each other.

[Ted Lasso 18,756]

He may have decided to go but why would you make the deal now when there are multiple suitors - I would be playing Geelong Freo GC and the Hawks off against each other.

If he's smart he'll go to the suns, they could pay him 600k a year, he would play finals every year for the rest of his career just about, best chance of those sides of a flag imo with freo, geelong and hawks all having ageing stars.

[daisycutter 29,296]

personally i reckon he will go for the superannuation dollars

if he can do that and get to a side in a finals window that will be his bonus

no doubt he will claim it's all about finals but he won't convince me

not that there is anything wrong (from his pov) of going for the pot of gold but very few would admit that that could be the main reason

[Ted Lasso 18,756]

Just throwing it out there, the rumoured 6 year deal could well have come from the Giants with 800k plus on the table?

would Chip say no to someone offering that far over his worth to play finals, I mean the Giants could rise up the ladder quickly with that level of talent anyway and he would be set up for life.

[nutbean 8,838]

no doubt he will claim it's all about finals but he won't convince me

Scully went for the opportunity to be at a start up club - Ablett accomplished all he could at Geelong and was excited about a new adventure. Franklin had accomplished his grand finals dreams at Hawks and it was time for a new challenge.

Right....

Its always about the money.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,319]

Hope he goes to Geelong and they miss the finals next year.

[nutbean 8,838]

Hope he goes to Geelong and they miss the finals next year.

Once they go (players) I dont give a rats anymore.

The only one I have a loathing dislike for is Scully as he took lying and deception to whole new level.

[Ted Lasso 18,756]

Once they go (players) I dont give a rats anymore.

The only one I have a loathing dislike for is Scully as he took lying and deception to whole new level.

Hogan highlights the difference between himself and scully, he clearly understands the investment the club has made, Scully didn't give a crap he just wanted money

[jazza 1,323]

Hogan highlights the difference between himself and scully, he clearly understands the investment the club has made, Scully didn't give a crap he just wanted money

Now miiiiiiiiiiike,i really enjoy your posting buuuuuuuuuuuutt,anybody who knocked back a zillion dollars GWS was offering would be a fool.And every player {ablett and buddy did it} would take them dollars that were offered,I have no probs with TS accepting that.

[nutbean 8,838]

Hogan highlights the difference between himself and scully, he clearly understands the investment the club has made, Scully didn't give a crap he just wanted money

With (dis)respect - the stars also aligned for Scully - he could make the deal with GWS and be guaranteed to get there.

That Freo had a big dip at him didn't mean he could get there. Could have been really messy if he wanted to go and we wouldn't play ball

[Ted Lasso 18,756]

Now miiiiiiiiiiike,i really enjoy your posting buuuuuuuuuuuutt,anybody who knocked back a zillion dollars GWS was offering would be a fool.And every player {ablett and buddy did it} would take them dollars that were offered,I have no probs with TS accepting that.

I understand what you mean but the MFC offer was also substancial, a lot of players take pay cuts to stay at their team, Scully completely ignored the investment and offer from MFC, and if you believe all that is said, has done nothing but bad mouth the club since, we probably dodged a bullet looking back

[nutbean 8,838]

Now miiiiiiiiiiike,i really enjoy your posting buuuuuuuuuuuutt,anybody who knocked back a zillion dollars GWS was offering would be a fool.And every player {ablett and buddy did it} would take them dollars that were offered,I have no probs with TS accepting that.

It wasnt the money - it was the lies. I know we pressured him to talk but have a look at Ablett who refused to talk about it- he didnt say boo the whole year no matter how many times they asked him. Ablett didnt lie because he didnt say anything. He refused to confirm or deny. He kept schtum.

[Dr. Gonzo 23,682]

The only flaw in the argument is whether or not we can lure another big fish that would improve, for example, our midfield. Do GWS, for example, want more high picks or are they now looking to lure players to help their development? It's all fine and good to land a compo pick for Frawley and dream of who we might get, but the fact is that there isn't a whole lot out there on the market (that we know of) and we may not get the players we want.

Shiel seems a certainty to come back to Vic.

[Dr. Gonzo 23,682]

RP, we will still have our first round draft pick to do "something" with. We don't need to hope/rely on getting top compensation if JF goes, just so we can add to our midfield.

If only we knew what the criteria/formula is to working out the Free Agency compensation. Given it's short history, $700k a year will get you Band 1, I don't think $500k will. A majority of posters on here think we will get Band 1, but then a different majority don't think he's worth $700k. They are two different majorities, but I'm sure there will be people who are in both groups.

The thing is you're acting like its up to the club whether we keep him or not. It's not it's solely Frawley's decision and we just deal with the repercussions of that (whether its to stay or go).

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Shiel seems a certainty to come back to Vic.

Not saying you are incorrect, but do you have an article etc to back that claim?

Edit - Would be more than happy for him to come home, just haven't heard that he is that keen to do so.

Edited July 2, 2014 by Wiseblood

[Dr. Gonzo 23,682]

Not saying you are incorrect, but do you have an article etc to back that claim?

Edit - Would be more than happy for him to come home, just haven't heard that he is that keen to do so.

There was something in the paper a couple of weeks back, was pretty close to leaving last year but was still under contract and with Tyson going I think they didn't a mini-exodus occurring.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

There was something in the paper a couple of weeks back, was pretty close to leaving last year but was still under contract and with Tyson going I think they didn't a mini-exodus occurring.

Fair enough, if he is keen to come home and we can get the right deal done then that's more than fine by me. Would slot rather nicely into our midfield. If you ever come across said article, or someone else done, I'd love a look at it!

[picket fence 16,637]

My mail is that he is gone!! Geelong bound!

[Ted Lasso 18,756]

My mail is that he is gone!! Geelong bound!

is it from the same spies that said Stretch has had a terrible national championships and shouldn't go for higher than a fourth rounder?

if he goes to Geelong he is stupid imo

[daisycutter 29,296]

My mail is that he is gone!! Geelong bound!

sure you don't mean juice is geelong bound?

[picket fence 16,637]

Sledge me all you will, that is my mail!!

Frawley to Geelong!

Edited July 2, 2014 by picket fence

[GIRO 63]

GONE !! Love him to stay but has scully written all over it