I am still pizzed off that they played him at all in the PS.

He had work being done on his back in the training session before the game - he pulls up sore after the game.

It was a poor decision to play him but hopefully some good will come of it and we will get him right before playing him again.

Footy players rarely play at full capacity/health but you don't fool around with certain injuries - Dawes' calf and Hogan's back being those that come to mind.

If we didn't play every player that was a bit sore, we wouldn't be able to field a side in either the AFL or VFL.

It's possible that the call for Hogan to play was the wrong one, but it happens at all clubs.

It's the frequency that should be an issue, and on the front I think we do fairly well.

The reason for circles is because what you describe as false expectations others are describing as the club giving estimates on the bodies fickle and ever changing recovery times that need to be taken as estimates and nothing more.

Then why don't they ever overestimate recovery times?

I've set my expectations to WPO - Worst Possible Outcome: Hogan will remain 4-5 until about mid-season, when the club will announce that he won't play at all this year and are now aiming to have him ready for the start of pre-seaosn 2015.

i have zero faith in Missons injury management and i bet Clark and Trengove do too

Mission is the Elite Performance Manager one person in a team of people who manage players injuries. Here's a Link of staff at MFC I am sure there are a whole heap of others who may have some influence on injury management of our players. Of course you can always continue scapegoat Misson and blame him for all our injury woes it seems that's that your usual MO.

Surely we don't need to go round in circles with this again? Most people are not complaining that our players get injured, only that the club sets false expectations on when they will return.

I reckon the Medical Staff only give their best guesstimates on certain injuries because contrary to popular belief Medical Science is not infallible. The club would rely on its Club Doctors to advise of possible rehab and recovery times but they can get it wrong as has been shown previously. I don't think the club is purposely setting false expectations they are just providing the best advice at the time. Things change as they have want to do.

I've set my expectations to the WPC - Worst Possible Outcome: Hogan will remain 4-5 until about mid-season, when the club will announce that he won't play at all this year and are now aiming to have him ready for the start of pre-seaosn 2015.

With Trenner, Hoges, Salem and the Toump building themselevs up, Garlo a full pre season, Gawn not gawn, Dawes ready to go round one, one plug and play gun recruit and an early draft pick we will have a great side round 1 next season. can't wait

Sounds a bit like Scummy's knee to me.....

And yet Dom Tyson was recovering from injury during the offseason and was aiming at being ready for round 1 and was.

Relapses, recoveries not going as planned, further complications are all part of injuries not only to sportsman but to people in general. I used Judd as an example of a player that was due to be up and firing for the beginning of the year. Goodes and Tippett ( he now has a rib issue) are also weeks behind their estimated return dates.

I read the injuries reports as not being optimistic but rather " if everything heals and recovers in the normal course of events". "Normal course of events" commonly don't transpire.

I find it interesting that we actually have one player that looks to my untrained eye to be ready much earlier than anticipated- which is unheard of - Aiden Riley.

Pig dog has healing powers like the wolverine.

Pig dog has healing powers like the wolverine.

And the desire, bit like Viney, another one who has been thrown off the training track for over doing it,....told me at training he is afraid to even look at the leg he broke, in case Medicos think something is wrong and pull him out again...over the years despite all the doom and gloom we seem to be able to find at least one out of the box....Pigdog is it

I think this is another Roos inintiative/common sense......if you have even the slightest niggle you don't play, and you don't train with the squad until you can do the full session

I thought I heard on the radio (josh m maybe?) that he was 2-3 from playing with Casey, then 2-3 games there.

That there was a slight amount of soreness a few weeks ago that pushed him back a little and they bought his work load right back again.

Hogan will get over his injury... but Dees supporters will never be patient :-)

"The ox is slow but the earth is patient." Chines proverb. Recent Mick Malthouse

I've set my expectations to WPC - Worst Possible Outcome: Hogan will remain 4-5 until about mid-season, when the club will announce that he won't play at all this year and are now aiming to have him ready for the start of pre-seaosn 2015.

I reckon that'd be "WPO" mate...

And it's probably best to set your expectations there, as then you can only be correct, or pleasantly surprised.

In the end it's an injury list with estimated return dates.

A concept many are having trouble grasping.

Who wouldn't have a sore back with 50 years worth of hopes and dreams on their shoulders

Surely we don't need to go round in circles with this again? Most people are not complaining that our players get injured, only that the club sets false expectations on when they will return.

Except this guy from the Dawes in doubt thread:

If true, the bloke can [censored]. Too many injury prone bit players in this team. If he can't get himself on the park week in week out then he can take his money and [censored] and leave the spot I. The team and room in the salary cap for someone else.

Then why don't they ever overestimate recovery times?

I posted that earlier. Injury estimates are exactly that - estimates. They take the "normal recovery time". Many players take the "normal recovery time" - like Dom Tyson during his preseason recovery ( and also Viv Michie) and sometimes (Hogan, Garland) they don't. Both Clark and Dawes REINJURED themselves so that is another case again entirely.

I also commented that Aiden Riley seems to be coming on quicker than anticipated and that rarely happens.

"The ox is slow but the earth is patient." Chines proverb. Recent Mick Malthouse

The ox is slow after 3 knee reco's

Can you imagine the meltdown from "the medical experts" on this board if Chris Judd was a demon ?

Judd's ankle injury and its recovery kept getting extended and extended as it didnt respond to treatment in the timeframe indicated.Then it appeared Judd's injury miraculously recovered and he was rushed to get him back for last weeks game and then he did a hammy in the first minutes he was on !!!

The supporters here would be calling for every medical practitioner in a 50 km radius to be sacked.

So pretty much what happened to Mitch Clark?

Misson had a terrific record at Swans and Saints, I think he's very good.

Didn't do too well with Luke Ball.

It's not surprising really. It's a "symptomatic" back injury.

In other words, they have no idea what the problem is, and they are just hoping it gets better.

I'd be surprised if he plays this year to be honest.

Allen Jakovich - you should know all about career threatening back injuries :-((((

Wow, who would have thought that athletes playing a contact sport could get injured. Must be the medical staffs fault. we better sack them all!

No, not the medics' fault, all down to Missen, it seems

I'm pretty sure hogans_heroes was complaining about players getting injured.

And Sgt Schultz - "you saw nothing, you know nothing"???

I am still pizzed off that they played him at all in the PS.

He had work being done on his back in the training session before the game - he pulls up sore after the game.

It was a poor decision to play him but hopefully some good will come of it and we will get him right before playing him again.

Footy players rarely play at full capacity/health but you don't fool around with certain injuries - Dawes' calf and Hogan's back being those that come to mind.

So, are you really suggesting that nobody with a bit of a sore back should play? Are you serious, or just basking in the glories of hindsight?

"The ox is slow but the earth is patient." Chines proverb. Recent Mick Malthouse

Sure the Ox is slow - but he did have three knee recos.

Except this guy from the Dawes in doubt thread:

It's why I said "most" not "all".

So, are you really suggesting that nobody with a bit of a sore back should play? Are you serious, or just basking in the glories of hindsight?

Where is the hindsight?

A poster on here saw him having treatment on his back before the Geelong game, that game exacerbated the injury, Hogan won't play for a further 2 months and counting.

That was a poor decision to play a 19 year old key position player in a practice match with a sore back.

We all make innocent mistakes - this was one.

And I understand that all players don't go into games 100% - he's a 19 year old blue-chipper in a practice match.

I am sure they are happy to wear the criticism.

My main concern is how they are managing Jesses frustration and mental state around not playing. We already have seen what can happen. Sometimes it can be harder to handle an ill-defined problem than a more serious injury where there is a more predictable time course. Hopefully they are keeping him busy and engaged and making him feel a part of it all. It would be easy for him to get homesick in this situation.

Where is the hindsight?

A poster on here saw him having treatment on his back before the Geelong game, that game exacerbated the injury, Hogan won't play for a further 2 months and counting.

That was a poor decision to play a 19 year old key position player in a practice match with a sore back.

We all make innocent mistakes - this was one.

And I understand that all players don't go into games 100% - he's a 19 year old blue-chipper in a practice match.

I am sure they are happy to wear the criticism.

What I am pointing out, FCS, is that someone with closer and better knowledge of Jesse's back that you (I presume) felt that it was NOT a serious injury, which turned out to be wrong in retrospect. But I again ask, what player goes out and plays without niggles and pains somewhere?

And yes I do share your frustrations especially over the Hogan injury, and the Clark situation.

Did anyone find it a bit unusual that Dave Mission didn't mention anything about Jesses injury? Normally every play on our injury list gets a mention but nothing on hoges.. I have a yuk feeling he has had a setback and wont mention anything for the time being..

I definitely think something is up. There's no way Burgan and Misson simply forgot, especially when many people including me would be watching that video solely for a Hogan-update. My assumption is that Burgan was instructed by the club not to ask any questions about Hogan. Either he has had a setback or they know he's not going to appear for a long time. Agreed that they should just put 'indefinite' rather than teasing us with 4 weeks. Misson was having a massive lend of us with his original quote about "not ruling him out of Rd 1".

So pretty much what happened to Mitch Clark?

Which game did we try and rush Mitch Clark back ?