I would rather we win games and forget all this tripe tbh.

Again we r talking draft picks at rd 3 it's pathetic and I am sick of looking forward to the end if the season at rd 2/3.

No ones telling you to read this thread...

No ones telling you to read this thread...

Never have I seen a poster so obsessed with draft picks. I'm starting to believe "Olisik" is either Cameron Schwab or Cuddles, just can't work out which yet (probably leaning toward the latter at this stage).

that makes a lot of sense.

It's about the only way the AFL would be able to issue us a PP and have the other clubs approve as they will potentially benefit from it as well.

I didn't really give a toss about the other clubs emotions, but it's clear that some clubs dictate to the AFL, so finding something that benefits us that will get the "approval" of the big clubs is quite important. The best way for that to happen is have something that they will benefit from as well.

It's about the only way the AFL would be able to issue us a PP and have the other clubs approve as they will potentially benefit from it as well.

I didn't really give a toss about the other clubs emotions, but it's clear that some clubs dictate to the AFL, so finding something that benefits us that will get the "approval" of the big clubs is quite important. The best way for that to happen is have something that they will benefit from as well.

that also makes a lot of sense. Am I on Demonland?

that also makes a lot of sense. Am I on Demonland?

I have been away the past month and have only watched 1 game this year (against GWS), so I'm not as scarred as some.

I would appreciate it if you don't read my posts next Monday!

We are in a draft regulated sport.

Teams build their teams largely from the draft.

The draft acts as a form of equalisation.

We are a bad team.

We are going to get preferential treatment in the draft because of how poor we are.

That treatment will include (most likely) a top 3 pick.

Teams that are consistently bad can receive extra preferential treatment.

We have been consistently bad.

We agreed to the rules as we continue in the league - I don't have a 'handout mentality' simply because I want the rules of equalisation to be enforced consistently.

Scully and Strauss are our only Priority Picks. They weren't great picks.

Sue us.

We need a leg up.

We also got Sylvia as a priority pick so it's 3, not 2.

Makes no sense to me. Who do you support?

It's sad we have to have this argument again so early 'P-man'. I think we should just read our posts from last year rather than repeat our arguments. We didn't get one then and it looks like we are not in a great position.

Let me just say this, Hawthorn and Collingwood's premierships were built on the back of PP's, Geelong's on previous Father/Son rules. They got a leg up.

I disagree, they were built on the back of boardroom competency, trust in the coaching staff and a system where development wasn't compromised for the sake of a headline.

We could have the first 20 picks in this draft. It doesn't matter who we draft, what number they are picked or where they are from, if we don't develop them right with no pressure or expectation, then we won't see the best of them. It still mystifies me as to why people compare current players we drafted to ones we missed out, for example wines, Dunstan fyfe etc. we would have messed the development of pendlebury, franklin, Judd - hell I'll even go back to Leigh Matthews or Robbie flower.

This is what gives me confidence now, that we have the right people in place to turn that around. I just hope it isn't too late for players like watts, trengove, grimes and the like. We just need to face the fact that we are probably going to trade early picks away and hope to trade in more players in the 21-25 demographic. Oh, I might add keeping hogan for his entire career. Some kids just have an attitude that will ensure they don't fail, and he is one.

We have absolutely no control over the system of draft assistance and the AFL seems to be constantly changing ground over the subject anyway.

The greatest danger however, is to get too wrapped up in the concept at this early stage of the year. If we can get over our current injury cycle to our big men and Paul Roos' game plan begins to sink in, we can still show sufficient improvement as to not warrant talking about such things.

I think it was 2008, hardwick in his first year as coach, they started 0-9 and everyone was wondering what he was trying to do. By the time he finally got a few players back, as well as the youngsters understanding what he was after, I think they won 6 games in the last half of the year. Sure I'm not saying we will, I'm saying that if our players keep getting told they "can" win and they "can" play afl, sooner or later they will start to believe it too.

IF we get more top end picks as it is looking at the minute i reckon we need to go to the draft with a narrow focus.

if we go for mids they must tackle and win the contested ball, the need to be ready to go impact players, better to get a side of those and add outside types later.

We only got two priority picks. The first one we selected Blease (stuff up) and the second we selected Scully (who left for one of the expansion clubs for a bucket full of the AFL's cash). Our recent picks have been heavily diluted by the compromised drafts.

The AFL is now more uneven than the EPL and promoting the game as 'Anything's Possible' should be investigated by the ACCC for misleading and deceptive advertising.

PP Colin Silvia says hi.

I don't want to get bogged down with PP talk the same as many others but let me just say this:

It is a rule of the AFL that consistently poorly performing clubs can be given draft assistance. That rule doesn't disqualify a club because of previous drafting failures, obviously.

It was an AFL rule that we would have got a PP due to our results, which the AFL dropped to our detriment.

It was an AFL rule that created 2 new clubs and gave them all of the top end of the draft, at a time when we were crap and were trying to recover.

It was an AFL rule that allowed our number 1 pick to run off to GWS in the first 2 years of his drafting by us and funded by AFL money.

It is an AFL rule that has brought in FA, which is not doing what it was intended to do, but has seen us lose Sylvia, Moloney, Rivers and probably Frawley, more than any other club and at a time when we are on the bottom of the ladder.

It is also an AFL rule that allows the AFL to have a fixture not based on fairness, but revenue, which has compromised our financial position for years.

We follow the bloody rules, let the bloody AFL do the same.

Edited April 10, 201411 yr by Redleg

No ones telling you to read this thread...

A balanced and reasonable footy forum should be adult enough to look at a range of views on the matter. I think you are on the wrong site pal.

I don't want to get bogged down with PP talk the same as many others but let me just say this:

It is a rule of the AFL that consistently poorly performing clubs can be given draft assistance. That rule doesn't disqualify a club because of previous drafting failures, obviously.

It was an AFL rule that we would have got a PP due to our results, which the AFL dropped to our detriment.

It was an AFL rule that created 2 new clubs and gave them all of the top end of the draft, at a time when we were crap and were trying to recover.

It was an AFL rule that allowed our number 1 pick to run off to GWS in the first 2 years of his drafting by us and funded by AFL money.

It is an AFL rule that has brought in FA, which is not doing what it was intended to do, but has seen us lose Sylvia, Moloney, Rivers and probably Frawley, more than any other club and at a time when we are on the bottom of the ladder.

It is also an AFL rule that allows the AFL to have a fixture not based on fairness, but revenue, which has compromised our financial position for years.

We follow the bloody rules, let the bloody AFL do the same.

Redleg, the sooner some realise that the above is incorrect, the better. We were in the "perfect" window to bottom out. We had 3 drafts to nail it, 2007, 2008 & 2009 before the drafts were severley compromised. Fact is, we fcuked our chance up by picking spuds. You could argue to some degree that the 2009 draft was compromised in our favour - 4 picks in the top 18 - including the number 1 & 2 picks, with just two of those players left on our list, and both those not in the senior team. If any club/s have been disadvantged by bottoming out at the wrong time, it'd be St Kilda and Brisbane.

There is absolutely no excuse for us being in the position that we are currently in. We can't blame the AFL or any other external body. We have to take 100% responsibility for poor decisions made during this time. We can whinge about the AFL gifting GWS with our former number 1 pick, but gee, they looked after us in regards to compensation. It's too early to tell if we are the winners from all that - given our recent history I wouldn't be surprised if we lost out of it all. However, if it turns out we won from it, it'll prove to me that we may have turned a corner.

We also got Sylvia as a priority pick so it's 3, not 2.

True but talking about the current cycle here i.e. since 2007.

Never have I seen a poster so obsessed with draft picks. I'm starting to believe "Olisik" is either Cameron Schwab or Cuddles, just can't work out which yet (probably leaning toward the latter at this stage).

Just look over last 7 yeara of threads. I didnt make this thread but I do like to try find positives and at the moment this is sadly one of them.

Unfortunately our team has a lack of talent from the past years of recruiting. We need picks to address the problem. We will never develop the Bails, Terlichs and Nicholsons into stars as they simply lack the talent.

Lots of posters are saying we need to fix this ourselves however without the talent I do not know how we could possibly fix this.

Ah k, did not realise that Dr.

The HUN starts writing about priority picks I wish they would curl up and disappear. Robbo go away it is rubbish journalism.

I want to see the club compete and win some games and have a better 2nd half of the season and take some momentum into next year.

This is the same press that mercilessly accused us of tanking have they now decided that we haven't nada good list for a while and maybe we weren't tanking as badly as they thought.

Just look over last 7 yeara of threads. I didnt make this thread but I do like to try find positives and at the moment this is sadly one of them.

Unfortunately our team has a lack of talent from the past years of recruiting. We need picks to address the problem. We will never develop the Bails, Terlichs and Nicholsons into stars as they simply lack the talent.

Lots of posters are saying we need to fix this ourselves however without the talent I do not know how we could possibly fix this.

Amazingly, Olisik, players like Bail, Terlich and Nicholson were actually picked up using draft picks.

Players like Vince and Tyson were brought to the club via trade.

Which players have made the biggest impact so far?

If we end up with Pick 1, it would take rare circumstances to even consider trading it. If we end up with 1&2 (because of Frawley's possible/likely departure), you keep pick 1, and possible look at a trade with pick 2, similar to the deal we did last year with GWS/Tyson/Salem.

Given you have clearly witnessed the last 7 years, like I have, you would see the need to find a balance of bringing kids in as well as experience. The important part is getting "good" experienced players, not hacks that are in the twilight of their careers and playing a large amount of reserves footy at their current club.

It would be worth a missed priority pick to see Mick Malthouses press conference after a loss to the dees

Redleg, the sooner some realise that the above is incorrect, the better. We were in the "perfect" window to bottom out. We had 3 drafts to nail it, 2007, 2008 & 2009 before the drafts were severley compromised. Fact is, we fcuked our chance up by picking spuds. You could argue to some degree that the 2009 draft was compromised in our favour - 4 picks in the top 18 - including the number 1 & 2 picks, with just two of those players left on our list, and both those not in the senior team. If any club/s have been disadvantged by bottoming out at the wrong time, it'd be St Kilda and Brisbane.

There is absolutely no excuse for us being in the position that we are currently in. We can't blame the AFL or any other external body. We have to take 100% responsibility for poor decisions made during this time. We can whinge about the AFL gifting GWS with our former number 1 pick, but gee, they looked after us in regards to compensation. It's too early to tell if we are the winners from all that - given our recent history I wouldn't be surprised if we lost out of it all. However, if it turns out we won from it, it'll prove to me that we may have turned a corner.

I agree all the way with this...We had numerous chances to get it right under the previous regime and in fact the problems got worse. Some visible to us the supporter and others concealed

That is why now we need to recruit "ready made" players rather than 17-18 year olds so the public has a team to watch...The 5 year plan can no longer be an option...

I agree all the way with this...We had numerous chances to get it right under the previous regime and in fact the problems got worse. Some visible to us the supporter and others concealed

That is why now we need to recruit "ready made" players rather than 17-18 year olds so the public has a team to watch...The 5 year plan can no longer be an option...

I'd imagine that's how the AFL would feel WYL, hence any priority pick we receive should come with the condition that it has to be on-traded for a player.

Us using a potential prioirty pick on a freshy would see 5/8ths of f-all improvement in 2015. There aren't many trades that invovled a Top 20 pick that haven't improved the side that received the player. We traded Pick 12 for Clark, who when he played, immediately improved our side.

The AFL need us to improve. We need us to improve. Time is ticking.

No remember the argument against us last year getting any help, it is all our own fault, we don't deserve any help.

A lot of mainstream media types pushed the "wait and see" notion suggesting we would improve without it. I wonder what this years rationale will be.

The HUN starts writing about priority picks I wish they would curl up and disappear. Robbo go away it is rubbish journalism.

I want to see the club compete and win some games and have a better 2nd half of the season and take some momentum into next year.

This is the same press that mercilessly accused us of tanking have they now decided that we haven't nada good list for a while and maybe we weren't tanking as badly as they thought.

They start pushing their agenda, which is a reaction from opposition supporters.

They will get their reaction, they'll get it from opposition clubs, then the AFL will bend to their desires.

The AFL have ruined MFC, no one wants to hear it, but it is true.

All the AFL care about are GWS and GC, this is because Vlad is all about himself and his legacy.

The sooner Vlad goes, the sooner the game improves.

It was an AFL rule that created 2 new clubs and gave them all of the top end of the draft, at a time when we were crap and were trying to recover.

Redleg, the sooner some realise that the above is incorrect, the better. We were in the "perfect" window to bottom out. We had 3 drafts to nail it, 2007, 2008 & 2009 before the drafts were severley compromised. Fact is, we fcuked our chance up by picking spuds. You could argue to some degree that the 2009 draft was compromised in our favour - 4 picks in the top 18 - including the number 1 & 2 picks, with just two of those players left on our list, and both those not in the senior team. If any club/s have been disadvantged by bottoming out at the wrong time, it'd be St Kilda and Brisbane.

There is absolutely no excuse for us being in the position that we are currently in. We can't blame the AFL or any other external body. We have to take 100% responsibility for poor decisions made during this time. We can whinge about the AFL gifting GWS with our former number 1 pick, but gee, they looked after us in regards to compensation. It's too early to tell if we are the winners from all that - given our recent history I wouldn't be surprised if we lost out of it all. However, if it turns out we won from it, it'll prove to me that we may have turned a corner.

Sorry about the way I have put my original quote in, which you disagreed with, but I am not great at computers.

Now to your response. Could you please tell me what part of the line you highlighted, which I have included above your reply, is incorrect and in what way.

I was stating a fact and you seem to have drawn a conclusion from it somehow.