On 28/03/2014 at 01:05, Rhino Richards said:

But they weren't all with us last year.and what happened....

They would be in the selection mix at MFC.

Maybe they would be, but clubs have to change their list to move forward.

Their is a bald bloke who tonight nearly won his second game for his new club and would get a game in every club in the AFL except obviously the club that delisted him after 3 premierships.

His coach Chris Scott said during the week he is a great player but we have to change our list to move forward. Who else said that, oh yes me.

  On 28/03/2014 at 08:00, sue said:

Those 50/50s for McDonald and Fitz seem to be 100/0 for both according to the final team listed for us. Or are they lying to us again?

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-03-28/dees-make-no-change-for-round-two

You will have a fair idea if they are not in the team on Sunday.

  On 28/03/2014 at 10:42, tatu said:

Besides our injuries and depleted forward line... We really have improved, our midfield looks good... Roos identify our problem and fixed it.. Our current problem now can be fixed with players from our list... All we need is two of Dawes, Clark, Hogan or Fitzpatrick and we'd be a ten goal better side.... Even though we will lose the next couple of matches, things are really starting to look up for us....

We really need to sign Roos on for another three years... The original two/three years isnt enough... I really hope that Roos is happy and wants to finish the job that looked imposible, until he took it...

Agree. He will get rid of those that are not good enough and trade in better players and hopefully we will draft more good kids who he can develop.

I have had no confidence about us in the last 7 years, but now I have some confidence in our future.

  On 28/03/2014 at 12:04, Redleg said:

Maybe they would be, but clubs have to change their list to move forward.

Their is a bald bloke who tonight nearly won his second game for his new club and would get a game in every club in the AFL except obviously the club that delisted him after 3 premierships.

His coach Chris Scott said during the week he is a great player but we have to change our list to move forward. Who else said that, oh yes me.

I struggle to see how the Geelong situation with Chapman is analogous to the misjudgements made at MFC.

And didnt we move forward when we moved on Rivers and Moloney??

  On 28/03/2014 at 12:07, Redleg said:

You will have a fair idea if they are not in the team on Sunday.

Not really Redleg. Given our position relative to WCE I don't think there would be much point in us trying to deceive them. We'd do better to bring more able bodies into the squad (assuming we still had some).

  On 28/03/2014 at 12:07, Redleg said:

You will have a fair idea if they are not in the team on Sunday.

Not necessarily Red.

They may have simply just walked out and on permanent LOA without the club knowing

I don't care how much they needed to change their list, I still can't believe Geelong canned Chapman.

  On 28/03/2014 at 19:51, Rhino Richards said:

I struggle to see how the Geelong situation with Chapman is analogous to the misjudgements made at MFC.

  On 28/03/2014 at 23:48, Undeeterred said:

I don't care how much they needed to change their list, I still can't believe Geelong canned Chapman.

Agreed on both counts.

It's hard not be embittered when Bennel, Cheney and Petterd are all thriving after ridding themselves of the Melbourne Miasma.

Good luck to them - I just hope those days are behind us.

  On 28/03/2014 at 19:51, Rhino Richards said:

I struggle to see how the Geelong situation with Chapman is analogous to the misjudgements made at MFC.

And didnt we move forward when we moved on Rivers and Moloney??

Sometimes you have to move a little backward to move forwards in the long run. Geelong's wiser heads determined that they needed to refresh their list and let go some seasoned players to give other younger players the opportunity to play senior football and give them the opportunities to play they might not otherwise have.

I don't regard the moving on of Moloney and Rivers as "misjudgements" because their time at the club was up. Moloney was a player disgruntled with all that had happened at the club and Rivers was becoming injury prone and was past his best. Much the same as the decision by Dean Bailey to move Junior Mac on although I suppose we never realised how great the leadership void was that he left. Ironically, the Moloney's and the Rivers' were among those supposed to step up and provide leadership who failed to do so.

Jamar eager to make impact upon return

What I have been saying, cut the Media guys a bit of slack, they monitor Demonland to see what issues are concerning supporters, but they need time and opportunity to get items together, with a myriad of constraints to deal with.

Jamar is very articulate and a seasoned footy player, and you get no spin, just what it is like when you keep getting these little setbacks

  On 29/03/2014 at 01:17, Amino Nothing said:

I don't regard the moving on of Moloney and Rivers as "misjudgements" because their time at the club was up. Moloney was a player disgruntled with all that had happened at the club and Rivers was becoming injury prone and was past his best. Much the same as the decision by Dean Bailey to move Junior Mac on although I suppose we never realised how great the leadership void was that he left. Ironically, the Moloney's and the Rivers' were among those supposed to step up and provide leadership who failed to do so.

Last year we lacked senior bodies and we lack grunt in the midfield. Beamer and Rivers would have provided that.

Given MFC's parlous state over the past 6 years it was hardly wise to move further backwards which contributed seriously to the hole the AFL tried to bail us out of.

Ironically both Moloney Rivers were part of a playing group that was trashed by an incompetent coach and administration. I don't blame for chasing greener pastures.

  On 29/03/2014 at 02:48, Rhino Richards said:

Last year we lacked senior bodies and we lack grunt in the midfield. Beamer and Rivers would have provided that.

Given MFC's parlous state over the past 6 years it was hardly wise to move further backwards which contributed seriously to the hole the AFL tried to bail us out of.

Ironically both Moloney Rivers were part of a playing group that was trashed by an incompetent coach and administration. I don't blame for chasing greener pastures.

I hear what you're saying but I was looking at things more from a medium term perspective. Those players might, if they were committed to the club, have made a little bit of a difference but retaining them would have been a short term measure at best.

Had Eli Templeton on my wish list preseason. Playing well today after last week. Saints got a bargain - a bit of Daisy Thomas about him.

  On 29/03/2014 at 04:33, chook fowler said:

Had Eli Templeton on my wish list preseason. Playing well today after last week. Saints got a bargain - a bit of Daisy Thomas about him.

The hair? not much else.

  On 28/03/2014 at 06:52, Dr. Gonzo said:

Before last season the AFL mooted introducing a rule where a player who suffered a concussion was automatically ruled out of the following weeks game. Perhaps they didn't implement it, I was under the assumption they did but I could be wrong.

No need to be a [censored] about it.

So you made it up.

  On 29/03/2014 at 07:52, Machsy said:

So you made it up.

All you seem to want to do on here of late is be a smartarse and pick fights.

Maybe take a holiday, or stop acting like such a plonk. One of the two.

Just a bit of fun.

Don't take yourself too serious princess.

FYI it's not a rule, never has been.

Max Gawn isn't being risked because of hamstring soreness. What's the risk? That we might win?

Rivers and Moloney chose to leave. They had bad attitude to MFC.

  On 29/03/2014 at 01:06, chook fowler said:

It's hard not be embittered when Bennel, Cheney and Petterd are all thriving after ridding themselves of the Melbourne Miasma.

Good luck to them - I just hope those days are behind us.

Really Bennell???

  On 29/03/2014 at 03:43, Amino Nothing said:

I hear what you're saying but I was looking at things more from a medium term perspective. Those players might, if they were committed to the club, have made a little bit of a difference but retaining them would have been a short term measure at best.

Given the absolute off field and on field inferno we have been in, it looked ridiculous last year when our fifth world midfield was torn apart by a former player. While I recognise Beamer is not the most complete player, the trashing of the bloke on this site ( not necessarily by you) has been appalling.

And while you have a medium term perspective, the short term impact of the FDs mishandling of a number of senior players has been a major contributor to the departure of an incompetent FD team including the coach in the past 12 months.

This has resulted in the AFL bringing in PJ and Roos to fundamentally rebuild and repair the damage. I think the treatment and mismanagement of senior players on our list and the working relationship with the general playing list by the previous administration has already been recognised as a fail. And the Club is still working through the retention chances of Frawley. And despite promising moves in the past six months, it's very much WIP and I would expect it be longer term timeframe until MFC are seen as a competitive and competent team on and off the field and that is supported by consistent performances. We are sooo far behind other Clubs on nearly every metric that PJ said about MFC last year "It's not a hard fix....it's just not a quick fix". He's right.

On Moloney and Rivers, it's a moot point. I believe the club did the wrong thing by itself and the playing group over the disciplining of Moloney after the night club incident in 2011. He was let off far too lightly and whether it's coincidence or something else, the situation at the club spiralled out of control for the remainder of that season.

When senior players are allowed to become embroiled in political power plays, it's not a good thing no matter who we might seek to blame or who we perceive is right or wrong.

I put it down to ineffectual leadership at all levels of the club including the playing group and to that extent, it's my view that a number of those who were leaders of the club in that unhappy period at the club needed to go for its future good.

The club thanked Moloney and Rivers for their contributions and let them go to pursue their futures elsewhere. I don't think it could or should have been any other way and I certainly can't envisage either of these players as being likely parts of Paul Roos' plans for the future.

I've commented elsewhere about Nathan Jones and how he's developed both as a player and a leader in much the same time frame. That's the future as far as I'm concerned. The other blokes are of no more interest or concern to me as any member of any other club.

  On 28/03/2014 at 08:17, Curry & Beer said:

wow, how morbid - I didn't realise that was a thing

We've had cadaver's grafted onto our team for years....

  On 29/03/2014 at 01:17, Amino Nothing said:

Sometimes you have to move a little backward to move forwards in the long run. Geelong's wiser heads determined that they needed to refresh their list and let go some seasoned players to give other younger players the opportunity to play senior football and give them the opportunities to play they might not otherwise have.

I don't regard the moving on of Moloney and Rivers as "misjudgements" because their time at the club was up. Moloney was a player disgruntled with all that had happened at the club and Rivers was becoming injury prone and was past his best. Much the same as the decision by Dean Bailey to move Junior Mac on although I suppose we never realised how great the leadership void was that he left. Ironically, the Moloney's and the Rivers' were among those supposed to step up and provide leadership who failed to do so.

Geelong obviously had their reasons, doesn't mean they were right though. Just because they have been extremely well run doesn't mean they can't make mistakes.

Agree on Moloney his time had come, Rivers not sure, could've been a handy back up down back, would do better than Pedersen or Gillies.