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  On 16/10/2014 at 07:54, rpfc said:

Pick the 2nd and 3rd best mids in the draft class.

Do that and you will have two very good players.

I completely understand the desire not to 'reach' for players - but we have the 2nd and 3rd picks in the draft - we should be able to secure 2 fantastic mids.

They should back themselves to know who they are. If it is Laverde or Lever plucked 'early' at ND3 then so be it.

For me it's the top two talents, not positions.

I'll be happy with two of these three: McCartin, Petracca, and Brayshaw.

Ideally Petracca and Brayshaw if the Saints take McCartin. If they take Petracca, it's McCartin and Brayshaw for me.

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      On 15/10/2014 at 21:57, KingDingAling said:

    If St Kilda do take Petracca with pick 1, it wouldn't be a bad idea if we taken McCartin with pick 2.

    We have Hogan coming through, to add McCartin to that would be massive.

    We will have developing mids in Viney, Tyson, Salem, Brayshaw - and arguably Toumpas.

    MFC would have 2 bustling forwards, not just any type of forwards - but old school, bustling, dominate fowards.

    So I don't think it is the end of the world if St Kilda do take Petracca, they'll only be shooting themselves in the foot.

    Membry isn't going to solve their problems, he is a small forward and probably even better suited to a midfield role.

    Over the trade period we have seen how valuable forwards can be - with the Bullies parting with their captain and high draft picks just to get one.

    I don't think so, should take the two best talents available (not possition) and if the club rate McCartin within their top three he should be taken if Petracca goes at one.

    I like the concept of having Hogan and McCartin develop together, they could become a fantastic combination over the years.

    Ideally I would prefer Petracca and Brayshaw, however won't be disapointed if we end up with McCartin due to the Saints taking one of the previous two.

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      On 17/10/2014 at 07:45, ignition. said:

    For me it's the top two talents, not positions.

    I'll be happy with two of these three: McCartin, Petracca, and Brayshaw.

    Ideally Petracca and Brayshaw if the Saints take McCartin. If they take Petracca, it's McCartin and Brayshaw for me.

    I am usually all about 'best available' but these talls do not look like they are in Hogan's company.

    We need mids and we have an opportunity to get two right now - midfield talent is hard to poach as we just found out, this is our chance to get two midfield talents.

    I think McCartin as the third best talent is just groupthink amongst the armchair experts.

    Two mids.

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    I remember pre 2009 draft everyone was Saying we should take John Butcher at pick 1 because the combination of Watts and Butcher for the next 10 years would set our forward line up..

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    One thing I noticed about Paige Cardona's latest phantom draft is the lack of South Australians. She has more Western Jets players in her top 20 than players from the winning state in the National Under 18 Championships.

    Sam Durdin makes it in at #10 and her next player is Alex Neal-Bullen at 23. Harrison Wigg (39) is the only other Croweater in her top 40. Sturt's Dean Gore doesn't even make her list. Knightmare rates him as a "high level difference maker".

    Either the coach of the SA Under 18 must be a genius to have put together a winning team from the material he had at his disposal or we are grossly underestimating the ability of youngsters from that state in favour of our own.

    I commented about the lack of love for South Australians in another thread. I hope our recruiting people are on to this - I'd hate the SA clubs to benefit from the Victoriacentric mindset that some people have towards this draft.

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      On 17/10/2014 at 22:45, Whispering_Jack said:

    One thing I noticed about Paige Cardona's latest phantom draft is the lack of South Australians. She has more Western Jets players in her top 20 than players from the winning state in the National Under 18 Championships.

    Sam Durdin makes it in at #10 and her next player is Alex Neal-Bullen at 23. Harrison Wigg (39) is the only other Croweater in her top 40. Sturt's Dean Gore doesn't even make her list. Knightmare rates him as a "high level difference maker".

    Either the coach of the SA Under 18 must be a genius to have put together a winning team from the material he had at his disposal or we are grossly underestimating the ability of youngsters from that state in favour of our own.

    I commented about the lack of love for South Australians in another thread. I hope our recruiting people are on to this - I'd hate the SA clubs to benefit from the Victoriacentric mindset that some people have towards this draft.

    Interesting. Dean Gore beat Petracca when they went head to head. She has also savaged Peter Bampton who she can't possibly have seen much of. One problem the SA team have is that a lot of their better players in the carnival, Daniel, Gregson, Johansen, Hone et cetera are seemingly less desirable because of height.

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      On 17/10/2014 at 23:10, goodoil said:

    Interesting. Dean Gore beat Petracca when they went head to head. She has also savaged Peter Bampton who she can't possibly have seen much of. One problem the SA team have is that a lot of their better players in the carnival, Daniel, Gregson, Johansen, Hone et cetera are seemingly less desirable because of height.

    Thanks 'oil. Well, she's at odds with Chris25 who recently released his updated phantom draft (still no detailed profiles). He selects Bampton at 40 which would suit me - and he also has Gore available at that choice. I think his top four is about right to with the Saints taking Petracca, us getting Brayshaw and Lever and the Giants getting McCartin as their replacement for Boyd. The Saints get their KPF with their second pick and we unite two brothers with pick 53.

    I don't think the two Macs will end up in the same team (not even sure that we'll use 53 in the draft or at all yet) but I'd be happy with this (noting we would then take Nev as a rookie upgrade in the 80s) -

    Round 1

    1. St Kilda - Christian Petracca (186cm, 92kg midfielder/forward from Eastern Ranges, VIC)

    2. Melbourne - Angus Brayshaw (187cm, 86kg midfielder from Sandringhan Dragons, VIC)

    3. Melbourne - Jake Lever (192cm, 84kg defender from Calder Cannons, VIC)

    4. GWS - Patrick McCartin (193cm, 95kg forward from Geelong Falcons, VIC)

    5. Collingwood - Lachie Weller(181cm, 71kg midfielder from Broadbeach, QLD)

    6. GWS - Jordan DeGoey (187cm, 82kg midfielder from Oakleigh Chargers, VIC)

    7. GWS - Peter Wright (203cm, 102kg ruckman/forward from Calder Cannons, VIC)

    8. Gold Coast - Jayden Laverde (189cm, 82kg midfielder/defender from Western Jets, VIC)

    9. Collingwood - Darcy Moore (199cm, 93kg defender/forward from Oakleigh Chargers, VIC)

    10. Geelong - Jarrod Pickett (180cm, 68kg midfielder from South Fremantle, WA)

    11. West Coast - Paul Ahern (181cm, 77kg midfielder from Calder Cannons, VIC)

    12. Richmond - Liam Duggan(183cm, 76kg midfielder from Western Jets, VIC)

    13. Fremantle - Sam Durdin (197cm, 87kg defender/forward from West Adelaide, SA)

    14. Adelaide - Hugh Goddard (196cm, 93kg defender/forward from Geelong Falcons, VIC)

    15. Gold Coast - Kyle Langford (190cm, 73kg forward/defender from Northern Knights, VIC)

    16. North Melbourne - Tom Lamb (192cm, 83kg forward from Dandenong Stingrays, VIC)

    17. Essendon - Caleb Marchbank (193cm, 85kg defender from Murray Bushrangers, VIC)

    18. Sydney - Isaac Heeney (186cm, 82kg midfielder from Cardiff, NSW/ACT)

    19. Carlton - Corey Ellis (185cm, 76kg midfielder from Western Jets, VIC)

    20. Essendon - Jarrod Garlett (177cm, 73kg midfielder/forward from South Fremantle, WA)

    21. St Kilda - Jackson Nelson (187cm, 80kg midfielder/defender from Geelong Falcons, VIC)

    Round 2

    22. St Kilda - Reece McKenzie(196cm, 100kg forward from Northern Knights, VIC)

    23. GWS - Keenan Ramsey (193cm, 86kg defender/forward from Port Adelaide, SA)

    24. GWS - Jack Steele (186cm, 82kg midfielder from Belconnen, NSW/ACT)

    25. North Melbourne - Nakia Cockatoo (188cm, 84kg midfielder/defender from NT Thunder, NT)

    26. Western Bulldogs - Josh Glenn(179cm, 78kg midfielder/defender from Central Districts, SA)

    27. Western Bulldogs - Connor Blakely (186cm, 81kg midfielder from Swan Districts, WA)

    28. Carlton - Oleg Markov (186cm, 69kg midfielder from North Adelaide, SA)

    29. Gold Coast - Mitch McGovern (191cm, 84kg forward from Claremont, WA)

    30. Collingwood - Brayden Maynard (186cm, 88kg midfielder/defender from Sandringham Dragons, VIC)

    31. Hawthorn - Declan Hamilton(183cm, 68kg midfielder/forward from Port Adelaide, SA)

    32. West Coast - Brenden Abbott (185cm, 92kg midfielder/defender from Claremont, WA)

    33. Richmond - Connor Menadue (188cm, 69kg midfielder from Western Jets, VIC)

    34. Fremantle - Clem Smith (178cm, 67kg defender/midfielder from Perth, WA)

    35. Adelaide - Alex Neal-Bullen(182cm, 77kg midfielder/defender from Glenelg, SA)

    36. North Melbourne - Damien Cavka (184cm, 79kg midfielder from Calder Cannons, VIC)

    37. Sydney - Ed Vickers-Willis(190cm, 82kg defender from Sandringham Dragons, VIC)

    38. Sydney - Jack Hiscox (184cm, 74kg midfielder from Sydney University, NSW)

    39. Western Bulldogs - Daniel McKenzie (183cm, 77kg midfielder/defender from Oakleigh Chargers, VIC)

    40. Melbourne - Peter Bampton (182cm, 83kg midfielder from Norwood, SA)

    Round 3

    41. St Kilda - Christian Buykx-Smith (193cm, 82kg defender from Gippsland, VIC)

    42. Melbourne - Billy Stretch (181cm, 70kg midfielder from Glenelg, SA)

    43. Adelaide - James Rose (186cm, 78kg forward/midfielder from Sturt, SA)

    44. Brisbane - Liam Dawson (188cm, 81kg defender/midfielder from Aspley, QLD)

    45. Western Bulldogs - Caleb Daniel(167cm, 66kg midfielder from South Adelaide, SA)

    46. Western Bulldogs - Brenton Payne (193cm, 76kg forward from Western Jets, VIC)

    47. Geelong - Cory Gregson (175cm, 72kg midfielder from Glenelg, SA)

    48. Collingwood - Harrison Wigg(179cm, 74kg midfielder/defender from North Adelaide, SA)

    49. Hawthorn - Dean Gore (183cm, 86kg midfielder from Sturt, SA)

    50. Hawthorn - Tom Read (200cm, 92kg ruckman from Sturt, SA)

    51. West Coast - Dillon Viojo-Rainbow (185cm, 80kg defender from Western Jets, VIC)

    52. Richmond - Jaden McGrath (179cm, 73kg midfielder/defender from Bendigo, VIC)

    53. Melbourne - Oscar McDonald (196cm, 88kg defender from North Ballarat, VIC)

    54. Fremantle - Mac Bower (190cm, 77kg defender/forward from Norwood, SA)

    55. Geelong - Bailey Dale (182cm, 70kg midfielder/forward from Dandenong Stingrays, VIC)

    56. North Melbourne - Tyler Keitel(194cm, 86kg forward/defender from East Perth, WA)

    57. Port Adelaide - Ben Edwards (192cm, 73kg forward from Glenelg, SA)

    58. Sydney - Brydon Hodgson (185cm, 79kg midfielder from Murray Bushrangers, NSW)

    59. Adelaide - Daniel Nielson (193cm, 90kg defender from Eastern Ranges, VIC)

    Round 4

    60. Geelong - Daniel Howe (191cm, 84kg defender/midfielder from Murray Bushrangers, VIC)

    61. Carlton - Toby McLean (179cm, 70kg forward from Oakleigh Chargers, VIC)

    62. Essendon - Aidan Anderson (182cm, 83kg forward from Swan Districts, WA)

    63. Brisbane - Harris Andrews (198cm, 91kg defender from Aspley, QLD)

    64. Western Bulldogs - Zaine Cordy (192cm, 80kg defender from Geelong Falcons, VIC)

    65. Carlton - Josh McGuinness (189cm, 72kg defender from Lauderdale, TAS)

    66. Gold Coast - Tom Faul (187cm, 86kg midfielder from Ainslie, NSW/ACT)

    67. Brisbane - Daniel Butler (181cm, 79kg midfielder from North Ballarat, VIC)

    68. Hawthorn - Hugh Beasley (190cm, 86kg defender from Oakleigh Chargers, VIC)

    69. West Coast - Lukas Webb(186cm, 80kg midfielder/forward from Gippsland Power, VIC)

    70. Richmond - Sam Bennett (189cm, 80kg defender from North Ballarat, VIC)

    71. Essendon - Matthew Goodyear (185cm, 77kg midfielder from Calder Cannons, VIC)

    72. Fremantle - Matthew Hanson (182cm, 73kg midfielder from Western Storm, TAS)

    73. Geelong - Dougal Howard (195cm, 88kg forward from Murray Bushrangers, NSW)

    74. North Melbourne - Brett Turner (183cm, 79kg midfielder from West Adelaide, SA)

    75. Port Adelaide - Nick Jackson (195cm, 86kg defender from Aspley, QLD)

    76. Sydney - Abe Davis (193cm, 90kg forward/defender from UNSW-Easts, NSW/ACT)

    77. Hawthorn - Matthew Uebergang (193cm, 87kg forward from Ipswich, QLD)

    Other Picks

    80. GWS - Jeremy Finlayson (195cm, 84kg forward/defender from Hills Eagles, NSW/ACT)

    81. Brisbane - Josh Clayton (190cm, 80kg forward/midfielder from Sandringham Dragons, VIC)

    87. West Coast - Alec Waterman (183cm, 89kg midfielder from Claremont, WA)

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      On 17/10/2014 at 07:35, thevil1 said:

    In an uncompromisd draft we'd be talking about Heeney & Moore too......

    And Stretch would not go at 40. Not forgetting we got a bargain recently with young Viney either.

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      On 17/10/2014 at 23:10, goodoil said:

    Interesting. Dean Gore beat Petracca when they went head to head. She has also savaged Peter Bampton who she can't possibly have seen much of. One problem the SA team have is that a lot of their better players in the carnival, Daniel, Gregson, Johansen, Hone et cetera are seemingly less desirable because of height.

    Spot on 'good oil', Gore is the more natural mid, particularly in the stoppages where he reads and distributes well.
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      On 17/10/2014 at 23:10, goodoil said:

    Interesting. Dean Gore beat Petracca when they went head to head. She has also savaged Peter Bampton who she can't possibly have seen much of. One problem the SA team have is that a lot of their better players in the carnival, Daniel, Gregson, Johansen, Hone et cetera are seemingly less desirable because of height.

    Paige has `done some recruiting work for Port, would imagine she'd have some insight on Bampton either first or at least second hand.

    I think you've hit the nail on the head in terms of the SA kids relatively mediocre draft status.

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      On 29/10/2014 at 11:44, Whispering_Jack said:

    This looks like a good resource for the draft ~ The Draft Hub

    Any wonder that we wanted to keep pick 23 so much...some highly rated players in top 10 or so will be sliding to 20+

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      On 29/10/2014 at 20:10, Lucifer said:

    Any wonder that we wanted to keep pick 23 so much...some highly rated players in top 10 or so will be sliding to 20+

    Agree.

    Still a bit disappointed we traded it for Frost even though I think he will come good we still needed to add more midfield class and depth especially if we are most like going to pick up McCartin...

    Would have loved Corey Ellis.

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      On 29/10/2014 at 20:10, Lucifer said:

    Any wonder that we wanted to keep pick 23 so much...some highly rated players in top 10 or so will be sliding to 20+

    Happens every year.

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    There's no chance we take McCartin even if he's available. We'll be taking two midfielders and if we only take one and then say Wright, that'll mean Taylor and co don't think much of the rest of the midfield talent in this draft. Roos has signposted all year that we'll be taking mids, mids, mids.

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      On 30/10/2014 at 04:19, AdamFarr said:

    There's no chance we take McCartin even if he's available. We'll be taking two midfielders and if we only take one and then say Wright, that'll mean Taylor and co don't think much of the rest of the midfield talent in this draft. Roos has signposted all year that we'll be taking mids, mids, mids.

    We can take 2 mids with later picks, plus Brayshaw and Billy Stretch. It will come down to best available. If there was a second very good mid to take we'd take them. But just because Roos is suspect on drafting young forwards doesn't mean he won't let the recruiting staff do their job. I don't see Roos complaining about us getting Hogan. If McCartin is rated high enough we have to pick him.

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    Is this the right thread to suggest a player for us to look at in the draft

    If not could somebody tell us the correct one please.

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      On 30/10/2014 at 10:39, willmoy said:

    Is this the right thread to suggest a player for us to look at in the draft

    If not could somebody tell us the correct one please.

    Go for it Tiger! Tell us who we need at No. 3!

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      On 30/10/2014 at 10:39, willmoy said:

    Is this the right thread to suggest a player for us to look at in the draft

    If not could somebody tell us the correct one please.

    I have suggested on the pick 2 and 3 thread that someone should set up a voting thread where you nominate your pick 2 and 3 for the records. So there are no retrospectives when an early pick gun fails to fire a shot, in that people start saying they always advocated player X.

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    Would be very pleased if our draft ended up looking something along the lines of:

    #2 Angus Brayshaw

    #3 Nakia Cockatoo

    #40 Oscar McDonald

    #42 Billy Stretch (fs)

    #53 Caleb Daniel

    #83 Neville Jetta (rookie upgrade)

    Then in 2015, hopefully we can select Jake Lovett as a f/s without giving up our first round pick, as well as getting the best available forward we can, whether that be via free agency, a trade, or through the draft.

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      On 30/10/2014 at 11:23, flamindees said:

    Would be very pleased if our draft ended up looking something along the lines of:

    #2 Angus Brayshaw

    #3 Nakia Cockatoo

    #40 Oscar McDonald

    #42 Billy Stretch (fs)

    #53 Caleb Daniel

    #83 Neville Jetta (rookie upgrade)

    Then in 2015, hopefully we can select Jake Lovett as a f/s without giving up our first round pick, as well as getting the best available forward we can, whether that be via free agency, a trade, or through the draft.

    Controversial pick 3!

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    God I wish we were in a position to draft Pickett!

    Anyway I'm hoping Brayshaw/ Laverde but I'm thinking well go Brayshaw/ McCartin

    I don't think it was ever the clubs intention to let Hogan be the 1st or even 2nd tall forward in his first year and biatch Clark leaving kind of forced our hand into drafting a KPF to help spread the load between Hogan, Dawes and whoever we pick

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      On 30/10/2014 at 11:58, sweet dee said:

    God I wish we were in a position to draft Pickett!

    Anyway I'm hoping Brayshaw/ Laverde but I'm thinking well go Brayshaw/ McCartin

    I don't think it was ever the clubs intention to let Hogan be the 1st or even 2nd tall forward in his first year and biatch Clark leaving kind of forced our hand into drafting a KPF to help spread the load between Hogan, Dawes and whoever we pick

    With the need for a forward, with Jamar nearing the end of his career and with Gawn being injury prone, I would not be surprised to see Wright get the nod as he fills both needs.

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      On 30/10/2014 at 11:50, Earl Hood said:

    Controversial pick 3!

    I agree it is however,if the only knock against him is that he missed all but an exhibition game in his draft

    year, then I simply don't believe it's a good enough reason to rule him out for consideration at a pick as high as three.

    He's big- bodied, posesses explosive pace, an excellent vertical leap- to be so impressive physically at the combine tells me that he is well and truly over his leg injury.

    Moreover, his skills on both sides of his body are exceptional, he's a linebreaker, a two way runner, extremely coachable and comes across as somebody so professional and team-oriented that I consider him to be a relatively low go home risk.

    In the end I believe he may actually end up being the best of this draft, so when it comes to risk vs reward, I believe tjat he is worth the risk.

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