Col vs N.jones is a great example of how hard work trumps talent every time, N.jones isn't half as talented as Col.

Experience.

Garland is injured, McDonald is injured, Frawley might have a poor year like most other players who put off contracts.

Pedo = spud. Dunn = still iffy. Terlich, Strauss, Georgiou (rookie) all yet to show if they're truly up to it.

You seem to be falling into the Neeld trap of thinking "oh he won't be in our best team in 5 years so he's no good", and how did that policy work out for us?

Rivers stood up more than enough in a p@*s poor backline behind the worst midfield in modern footy. Not saying he's our best ever backman, but some of the comments about him here are so far off the mark that they seem emotional comments given he's now an opposition player, rather than rational.

Nailed it Stuie!,

Col vs N.jones is a great example of how hard work trumps talent every time, N.jones isn't half as talented as Col.

Yeah he is Sylvia's just overrated if he spent as much time training hard instead of looking in the mirror he wouldn't be in the position he's in.

Yeah he is Sylvia's just overrated if he spent as much time training hard instead of looking in the mirror he wouldn't be in the position he's in.

Sylvia has amazing natural football attributes, just a horrible over entitled self absorbed attitude, Chunk isn't blessed with speed or a great leap or anything he is just an honest to got hard worker who would bleed for his club.

I think that Col is the kid who was probably told by everyone that he would be a star and it seems he agree with that and thought it would come naturally.

Probably, once upon a time, they would have been right but football has changed so much, just natural football ability and a great smile isn't enough. Hard work is the key and Col just didn't do enough of that.

In one sense Col has some great natural footballing talents - lovely long kick of the ball, great leap, excellent hands above his head, strong tackler, etc.

But I don't know if I'd call him a natural footballer as he just lacks the subtleties that the best players have, such as the ability to consistently get to the right spots, being able to spot a free player in tight congested situations and thread a handball to the advantage of that player, having the poise and peripheral vision in close to sum up a situation and navigate his way out of traffic.

Don't get me wrong, Col's attributes can still make him a very good player. But I think his natural footballing talents lie solely in the power side of the game.

Sounds like the type of ego stamping that he needs... Who knows? It might work on him.... If he earns a game at freo, the other teams better look out... Because he will be the real deal! Ross Lyon wont give him a game until he is flying... Unlike us...

There are two threads going on here.

Rivers is a loss, but with Frawley, McDonald and Garland was quickly becoming (and became) surplus to requirements. And Rivers has had his own nightmare injury riddled seasons so bringing up Garland's troubles isn't a great reason to keep another bloke with durability issues around. We got 7 good seasons out of him.

Sylvia's best can't be replaced outside of the top 20 players in the league - but that was twice a season. His median performance can be easily replaced.

There is no great loss with either.

Ridiculous call.

Was our backline general for 10 years.

Not my favourite player (that's an understatement), but some of the judgments on his career at MFC here are absolutely idiotic.

It's a Colin Sylvia thread, stuie.

It's a Colin Sylvia thread, stuie.

I didn't start the Rivers stuff.

Sylvia has amazing natural football attributes, just a horrible over entitled self absorbed attitude, Chunk isn't blessed with speed or a great leap or anything he is just an honest to got hard worker who would bleed for his club.

Apart from a strong body, fair pace and a long kick he has no other natural football attributes.

People that think it's only attitude that stopped Col becoming a better player are barking up the wrong tree.

Apart from a strong body, fair pace and a long kick he has no other natural football attributes.

People that think it's only attitude that stopped Col becoming a better player are barking up the wrong tree.

I think col has everything physically required to be the equal of a Mark Lecras who i consider to be an All Australian Quality player, but his best games would be that level but nowhere near often enough

57 and rising obviously not much else to discuss today.

Not up there with your "connie' post Old Dee!

I think col has everything physically required to be the equal of a Mark Lecras who i consider to be an All Australian Quality player, but his best games would be that level but nowhere near often enough

Nowhere near LeCras in natural ability. His body may look similar but it starts and ends there.

I think col has everything physically required to be the equal of a Mark Lecras who i consider to be an All Australian Quality player, but his best games would be that level but nowhere near often enough

LeCras' best football is as an undersized full forward target (?10 goals v Essendon) although he can play well as a forward pocket opportunistic player as well. Sylvia isn't a similar player and isn't of the same quality.

Rivers.. good defender on the right match ups, will get beaten by anyone significantly quicker or bigger than him. Doesn't attack the game enough for an experienced player. Handy, but hardly a huge loss. Troy Chaplin (similar player to Rivers, a bit softer but gets more ball, both not true key defenders) left Port to Richmond and both teams improved. No reason why Rivers can't be good for Geelong but why we can't be just as good (backline wise) without him. We do need to desperately draft and develop a mid range height defender to go along with Garland. Not sure if either Georgiou or Dunn are great long term options.

Rivers.. good defender on the right match ups, will get beaten by anyone significantly quicker or bigger than him. Doesn't attack the game enough for an experienced player. Handy, but hardly a huge loss. Troy Chaplin (similar player to Rivers, a bit softer but gets more ball, both not true key defenders) left Port to Richmond and both teams improved. No reason why Rivers can't be good for Geelong but why we can't be just as good (backline wise) without him. We do need to desperately draft and develop a mid range height defender to go along with Garland. Not sure if either Georgiou or Dunn are great long term options.

I think that can be Frawley 'master' but we've had this discussion on another thread.

57=58=66

The mathematics of that eludes me, but I am sure you will elucidate when ready ..

you must be f*%#ing kidding

another bloody Sylvia thread

move on people.

who gives a flying...honeslty.. i dont

Agreed

And this has suddenly become a Rivers thread it appears.

Not up there with your "connie' post Old Dee!

But is it up too far to hear the bell?

Jesus Christ! I know I post [censored]! But a Colin Sylvia thread now? FMD ?

And Rivers has had his own nightmare injury riddled seasons so bringing up Garland's troubles isn't a great reason to keep another bloke with durability issues around.

Let's see how well Rivers gets through this season, didn't do all that well last year on the injury front.

Jesus Christ! I know I post [censored]!

Was all worth it, just for that quote.

Sylvia might have a few regrets. After all, he was an alpha wolf at Melbourne. Whereas it now sounds as though he's a delta wolf at Freo - and that can't be good for the ego.

Bennell's the one I will be watching though. Reckon he could've been great for us under Roos running off half back.

Alpha wolf? Dude, seriously, you're just making [censored] up about something you know nothing about.

The mathematics of that eludes me, but I am sure you will elucidate when ready ..

i'll leave od to expand.....

Alpha wolf? Dude, seriously, you're just making [censored] up about something you know nothing about.

Perhaps you should change your avatar to David Attenborough and enlighten me on the natural world?

I suspect you are a man of many learned and entirely fascinating teachings, 'dude' ...