Pretty sure Roos would have kept Sylvia, Frawley and Clark is the price was right, but he did not bust his boiler trying to keep them. Roos would have seen enough of Sylvia (and heard enough) to cut his losses; he would have weighed the price of keeping Frawley against the price of his leaving; and he would have known keeping Clark was a risk.

I miss Stephan Martin

That is one of the "so few" and he did well last year.

Have a look at the list of those picked up by other clubs from the last seven years, it's a veritable "who the hell was that?".

Posters should remember that a lot of these good list decisions have also been made under Todd Viney.

I reckon Todd would've been bettr placed than anyone to tell Roos that Sylvia wasn't worth it.

Yep, but you could call that one of many of the previous regimes blunders.. he's a ripper.

I too like Steph but he had around 8 good games one year when Jamar was injured and the rest was pretty ordinary.

A bit like Jolly who could never get more than around 15mins of game time under Daniher when Jeff White was around.....

i'm not 100% sure but i was under the impression that Martin wanted to leave and that was a big driving factor behind the trade, keeping him may not have been an option?

i'm not 100% sure but i was under the impression that Martin wanted to leave and that was a big driving factor behind the trade, keeping him may not have been an option?

There was a story about a bust up with Todd Viney when he was coaching. Stef was supposedly late to a training session and Todd ripped into him...

There was a story about a bust up with Todd Viney when he was coaching. Stef was supposedly late to a training session and Todd ripped into him...

Yeah, that sounds familiar, my opinion was based off an article i read so may very well have been totally off the mark.

Ah well, plenty more time to do the things he really loves now, possibly also become reacquainted with a few blokes we know:

Those photos are almost like one of those evolution of man pictures. The first one was just of some young blokes having a beer together(though I must ask who the third bloke is?). The second one is of it's natural progression to the becoming an outright tool stage (complete with photo of NSW bike boss).

The next step of the evolution is for Col to move to Queensland to be closer to Beamer. They can then relive their salad days on one of Australia's biggest nightclub strips while blokes like Hodgey and Selwood are just as content to go to bed at 10 while being content with their 3 day premierships safely in the trophy cabinet

(and 2 Norm Smiths in Hodge's case).

stevie armstrong. another player who we all thought was going to be special for us.

Colin B. Flaubert, on 25 Feb 2015 - 12:49 PM, said:

Those photos are almost like one of those evolution of man pictures. The first one was just of some young blokes having a beer together(though I must ask who the third bloke is?). The second one is of it's natural progression to the becoming an outright tool stage (complete with photo of NSW bike boss).

The next step of the evolution is for Col to move to Queensland to be closer to Beamer. They can then relive their salad days on one of Australia's biggest nightclub strips while blokes like Hodgey and Selwood are just as content to go to bed at 10 while being content with their 3 day premierships safely in the trophy cabinet

(and 2 Norm Smiths in Hodge's case).

Wow.....You seem a bit bitter Col B.....I don't know why you think having a few drinks off season is unusual for young blokes......I know of a lot of AFL players who go out til the early hours even in season....I admit that having a water with a Bikie is probably not the best idea. I don't think they were arrested or were drunk at the time of the photo and I take it you presume that their lives are headed for rack and ruin but its their lives and they can do whatever they want to

They would have earned a fair bit of money in their playing days....So good luck to them.

I always liked Sylvia and Beamer and was disappointed when they left, but that is footy these days.

Anyhow........Neither plays for us anymore so my interest has wanned but I wish them both success.

I wouldn't call it genius but if Roos really wanted to keep Sylvia we would have given him a better offer, same with Frawley.

Clark, I have no idea what the story was there but it did appear we didn't work hard to keep him either.

Sylvia to me was a no brainer, highly overrated by many on here.

So true - no brains at all

And BTW history is written by the winners. We won out of all those three deals.

pretty safe to chalk up the Sylvia/Vince one as a win but the jury is obviously out on the other two. Clark lines up on Sunday wearing Cats colours and Frawley tomorrow night for the Hawks. Meanwhile Petracca has done his knee.

pretty safe to chalk up the Sylvia/Vince one as a win but the jury is obviously out on the other two. Clark lines up on Sunday wearing Cats colours and Frawley tomorrow night for the Hawks. Meanwhile Petracca has done his knee.

We got Brayshaw for Frawley.

I miss Jarred Rivers

stevie armstrong.

Tis indeed. And he can at least reminisce with Hodge and Selwood about what it feels like to have a premiership medal, unlike the other party boys shown.

I wouldn't call it genius but if Roos really wanted to keep Sylvia we would have given him a better offer, same with Frawley.

Clark, I have no idea what the story was there but it did appear we didn't work hard to keep him either.

Sylvia to me was a no brainer, highly overrated by many on here.

I called for both him and Moloney to be traded years ago.

Few would listen...

We got Brayshaw for Frawley.

maybe not.. had we had pick2 only it may have been Brayshaw's name read out

doesn't change my point. Not that you care, you just like to nitpick mainly

I called for both him and Moloney to be traded years ago.

Few would listen...

Was with you 'Machsy', a mate of mine thought I was a broken record on those 2.

pretty safe to chalk up the Sylvia/Vince one as a win but the jury is obviously out on the other two. Clark lines up on Sunday wearing Cats colours and Frawley tomorrow night for the Hawks. Meanwhile Petracca has done his knee.

Lumumba > Clark and his injuries > Varcoe.

Lumumba > Clark and his injuries > Varcoe.

not yet

not yet

Obviously they are yet to play a game at their new clubs but all 3 have been around more than long enough to evaluate their worth at AFL level and what they are likely to produce.

Collingwood lost big-time on the deal, couldn't happen to a better club.

pretty safe to chalk up the Sylvia/Vince one as a win but the jury is obviously out on the other two. Clark lines up on Sunday wearing Cats colours and Frawley tomorrow night for the Hawks. Meanwhile Petracca has done his knee.

I think CLark will struggle. HIs body is pretty fragile even when he is going well. After such a long lay off and with a history of calf and foot injuries he will struggle IMO. As for the mind well its safe to say thats fragile too.

Frawley could do well at the Hawks but no-one in their right might would suggest he was worth pick 3...So my view is that its a win,

stevie armstrong. another player who we all thought was going to be special for us.

...and after what happened to him on holiday, had a bit more of an excuse than most.

maybe not.. had we had pick2 only it may have been Brayshaw's name read out

doesn't change my point. Not that you care, you just like to nitpick mainly

So much irony in this.

If we had pick 2 we would have most likely selected Petracca and Frawley would be wearing red and blue for 2015= We wouldn't be having this discussion in regards to Frawley the jury being out....

But because we picked up pick 3 from Chip leaving which netted us Brayshaw its almost exactly a straight sway which i find a win win for both clubs. Though i am not surprised you completely missed the point.

...and after what happened to him on holiday, had a bit more of an excuse than most.

I'd forgotten about that, ANother Melbourne player cursed with bad luck......