Rookie listing your delisted player

[Carlos Danger 380]

With the talk of Jetta potentially getting another chance on the rookie list after 5 years on the senior list, I'm curious as to when or if this has ever worked.

And I'm talking specifically a club delisting a player then immediately taking him in the rookie draft (not rookie-listing another club's delisted player). Has a player ever made it back to the primary list in this scenario?

For the MFC the only 2 I can remember being rookie listed after being dropped from the senior list was John Meesen and Michael Newton. It's happened a few times at other clubs I'm pretty sure but the only one I can think of is Jay Neagle and that went down pretty much the same way as Meesen/Newton.

Has it ever worked?

[Bang Bang Bang 5,784]

Luke Molan spent the 2004 season as a rookie.

[durango 1,992]

Russell Robertson

[jabberwocky 2,301]

Reckon it has worked a couple of times.

Brett Kirk and Ryan Crowley i think are 2 that spring to mind.

[Carlos Danger 380]

- Already on a club's senior list.

- Delisted.

- Re-selected in the rookie draft that very year (by the same club).

My question is has any player in that scenario made it back to the senior list?

Robertson, Kirk and Crowley don't fit that criteria.

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

- Already on a club's senior list.

- Delisted.

- Re-selected in the rookie draft that very year (by the same club).

My question is has any player in that scenario made it back to the senior list?

Robertson, Kirk and Crowley don't fit that criteria.

Ryan Crowley certainly fits the criteria. Matthew Febey is a similar situation.

[Redleg 40,442]

- Already on a club's senior list.

- Delisted.

- Re-selected in the rookie draft that very year (by the same club).

My question is has any player in that scenario made it back to the senior list?

Robertson, Kirk and Crowley don't fit that criteria.

I thought Robbo was on our list, delisted and rookied and then uplifted again.

[Carlos Danger 380]

Ryan Crowley certainly fits the criteria. Matthew Febey is a similar situation.

I stand corrected, didn't know about Crowley. So that's one.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

- Already on a club's senior list.

- Delisted.

- Re-selected in the rookie draft that very year (by the same club).

My question is has any player in that scenario made it back to the senior list?

Robertson, Kirk and Crowley don't fit that criteria.

Why not Kirk?

He was on the supp list for NSW players and was delisted.

I am sure there are others.

[Carlos Danger 380]

I thought Robbo was on our list, delisted and rookied and then uplifted again.

The mature-aged rookie selections came into effect in 2009 (Podsiadly and Barlow). Robbo retired in 2009.

Could be right though if it happened in his early days.

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

I thought Robbo was on our list, delisted and rookied and then uplifted again.

Yep spot on, but he never was on the senior list in a season before being delisted. He and Duncan O'Toole were delisted after their first pre-season training after being drafted at the National Draft to make way for Leigh Newton, Shane Woewodin and Robert Pyman. Some names from the past. In effect Robbo and O'Toole's first seasons were on the rookie list. That season - when Pyman was one of our premier midfielders - is probably the third worst I can remember well, behind the Neeld years. My father speaks of great misery with regards some of the seasons of the late 70s.

[Carlos Danger 380]

Why not Kirk?

He was on the supp list for NSW players and was delisted.

I am sure there are others.

"Supp list for NSW" isn't exactly the Sydney Swans senior list.

[Nasher 33,607]

Yep spot on, but he never was on the senior list in a season before being delisted. He and Duncan O'Toole were delisted after their first pre-season training to make way for Leigh Newton, Shane Woewodin and Robert Pyman. Some names from the past.

Jeez, being delisted almost immediately after being drafted is harsh. Not hard to see why that practice isn't allowed any more.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

"Supp list for NSW" isn't exactly the Sydney Swans senior list.

Mate you asked for delisted players.

Apparently the answers aren't supporting your fantastic hypothesis.

Wont bother reading your threads again.

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

Jeez, being delisted almost immediately after being drafted is harsh. Not hard to see why that practice isn't allowed any more.

The rookie draft and pre-season drafts were held a lot later back then. From memory we needed to clear space, because all of a sudden the club really wanted Leigh Newton.. Balme always loved and wanted to get Pyman from his Woodville-West days and he must have become available somehow in the interim and Woewodin trained the house down. Obviously the new rules prohibit it. But it was probably shrewd list management in the day.

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

As for the topic. It really depends on the purpose of the practice. Without putting any effort into studying it, I would say the majority of players delisted and then rookied are long-term injured players or players who have been unable to get their chance due to injury or who's careers and or upcoming seasons are likely destroyed by serious injury. Obviously the success rate of this type of move are going to be low, as most never overcome their injuries or there injuries have diminished their playing ability. Meesen, Molan obvious examples. Jarryd Allen, Fergus Watts, Luke Webster et cetera.

Occasionally you will get players who clubs basically want of the list but they're contracted so they delist and rookie them to enable them to have a better list. Michael Newton, Toby Stribling.

If Jetta comes, I think it is a different scenario. It will be they obviously not that keen to let him go but want to get a better pick and happy to risk another club taking him. You really need to compare the success of this type of move anyway, Clancee Pearce is an example, though he has been rookie drafted exclusively, but it's the same premise in play. The Luke Molan situation is so different to the Jetta, its not the same thing.

Edited November 26, 2013 by goodoil

[Carlos Danger 380]

Mate you asked for delisted players.

Apparently the answers aren't supporting your fantastic hypothesis.

Wont bother reading your threads again.

Crowley was a great call and I appreciate it as all I could come up with outside of MFC was Neagle.

But Kirk doesn't fit. Was never on their senior list or had a chance at the top level prior to getting dropped as a "NSW sup". Nothing like the Meesen/Newton/Jetta scenario.

[Supermercado 2,790]

The only reason we did it with Newton and Meesen is because they were under contract and we had to agree to draft them back (unless somebody else got in first) to clear them onto the rookie list.

Juice did later make it back to the senior list for what it's worth.

[DeeSpencer 24,972]

Jetta is almost certainly going to be a long term failure but that itself doesn't mean he won't be the right call tomorrow.

I think most re rookies would be under similar circumstances

[Traja Dee 108]

I'm hoping that someone can recall the details. Wasn't Guy Rigoni delisted and redrafted as a rookie around 2003? He came back and played good support roles in 2004 and 2005. May be a different situation again as he was delisted due to injury issues, IMMSMC.

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

I'm hoping that someone can recall the details. Wasn't Guy Rigoni delisted and redrafted as a rookie around 2003? He came back and played good support roles in 2004 and 2005. May be a different situation again as he was delisted due to injury issues, IMMSMC.

Had a bad back injury and they thought he was finished so he was delisted at the end of 2002, having not played at all that year. But he had surgery and got through pre-season so they put straight onto the senior list via the Pre-season draft in 2003.

[Traja Dee 108]

Had a bad back injury and they thought he was finished so he was delisted at the end of 2002, having not played at all that year. But he had surgery and got through pre-season so they put straight onto the senior list via the Pre-season draft in 2003.

Thanks goodoil. Nothing like the threat of redundancy to help a player recover from surgery and an injury.