Well we just had an awful rookie draft, we let Templeton, Cavarra, Hourigan, and Battersby go for James Harmes, who does look like a good prospect but i would have been all over them blokes over him.

So you've scouted all of the players we just drafted, and have compared their strengths and weaknesses to the players you mention above, as well as understand how they fit into our exisiting list structure and game plan?

So you've scouted all of the players we just drafted, and have compared their strengths and weaknesses to the players you mention above, as well as understand how they fit into our exisiting list structure and game plan?

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Well we just had an awful rookie draft, we let Templeton, Cavarra, Hourigan, and Battersby go for James Harmes, who does look like a good prospect but i would have been all over them blokes over him.

Ridiculous comment. There is absolutely no way of telling whether this was an 'awful' or successful rookie draft.

Just because we didn't select the players on your wishlist doesn't mean that it was an 'awful' draft.

So you're all telling me you wanted him over Templeton?

So you're all telling me you wanted him over Templeton?

No, I'm telling you that there is no way of judging whether it was an awful or successful rookie draft.

I am not going to pretend to know whether one rookie will be better than the next, I'll leave that to you.

So you're all telling me you wanted him over Templeton?

I'm thinking none of us has spent the last few years working full-time in recruiting and I like what the club has done over this whole trade draft period and there's no reason to think they got it wrong here. Time will tell.

So you're all telling me you wanted him over Templeton?

I certainly did. I didn't want Templeton coming to the club. From my sources, he interviewed extremely badly. Some clubs didn't have him on their boards for personality/attitude reasons and many disliked him.

There are question marks on Hourigan's ability to get separation at the next level.

Cavarra is not good enough at that size/speed combo at this stage to make an impact at AFL level and if he's not in the midfield what can he do.

Battersby probably thought of as one-paced/vanilla by some clubs - does he enough tricks?

All of these players bar Templeton, who slipped I'm guessing for the above reason, are your stock types who tend to perform well at junior level or at state league level but don't have the athleticism or X-factor clubs are looking for. Remember clubs want players they perceive can play 200 games, not guys that can play 3 or 4 average games.

A key theme in our drafting is speed and athleticism. You've mentioned some moderately paced players who have dominated some junior footy but don't have attributes that will see them have a likelihood of success at the next level, or have 'vices', to use a racing term.

I have to admit I really like the look of Charlie Cameron and was hoping his name would be called for the MFC. I think the Crows have got themselves a serious player there.

Sorry if it has been mentioned already but no Magner in todays rookie draft....

So you're all telling me you wanted him over Templeton?

I do.

Tell me what qualities Templeton has that will see him succeed at AFL level.

I have a copy of the hawk's recruiting dept's list of their player rankings for the 2013 draft. They list in order their top 200 players.

Interestingly, they rated the boy Sicily that they took at about 60 as the 23rd player in the Draft. They rated Tsitas as the 28th player.

Interestingly, they rated Nathan Freeman as the 29th player.

Is that right?

Well the Hawks took 4 rookie draft picks and none of them were Tsitas - who didn't get picked up.

So that has to mean that the 4 players they picked up were rated 24, 25, 26 and 27 on their list.

Wow are they lucky or what!

I find that very hard to believe Max.

How about you post the list?

Well we just had an awful rookie draft, we let Templeton, Cavarra, Hourigan, and Battersby go for James Harmes, who does look like a good prospect but i would have been all over them blokes over him.

You are talking about the 41st to 44th players on the list.

They are all so speculative at this stage - you just sound naive when you say we had an awful Rookie Draft.

Everyone usually has 'a bad rookie draft' - the exception would be to have a good one...

Sorry if it has been mentioned already but no Magner in todays rookie draft....

Nor Thorpe?

I do.

Tell me what qualities Templeton has that will see him succeed at AFL level.

His hair is similar to Dyson Heppell's... that has to count for something?

As an armchair expert I have no idea about our rookies, but I am not displeased that Jetta got another go, and I like that we picked up a defender and a ruckman/forward..

His hair is similar to Dyson Heppell's... that has to count for something?

As an armchair expert I have no idea about our rookies, but I am not displeased that Jetta got another go, and I like that we picked up a defender and a ruckman/forward..

Because thats what we needed a Ruckman/Tall Forward, we don't have enough of them...

You are talking about the 41st to 44th players on the list.

They are all so speculative at this stage - you just sound naive when you say we had an awful Rookie Draft.

Everyone usually has 'a bad rookie draft' - the exception would be to have a good one...

Yeah i guess you're right.

Because thats what we needed a Ruckman/Tall Forward, we don't have enough of them...

I am not 100% convinced by any of our current ruck stocks, so yeah I am happy to have someone as a project player.

Rookie listed players are speculative, you almost seem to think that these players should be ready made for AFL now...

By the time Max King is ready to play, I suspect Jamar will have retired, leaving us with Spencer and Gawn both who have deficiencies in their game (Kicking as one example) and Fitzy who is still a project in the making.

PRE-SEASON DRAFT

1. GWS Giants - Jed Lamb (Sydney Swans)

2. Collingwood - Pass

3. Richmond - Pass

4. Carlton - Pass

5. Sydney Swans - Pass

6. GWS Giants - Pass

ROOKIE DRAFT

1. GWS Giants - Sam Schulz (GWS)

2. Melbourne - James Harmes (Dandenong Stingrays)

3. St Kilda - Eli Templeton (Burnie Dockers)

4. Gold Coast - Louis Herbert (North Ballarat)

5. West Coast - Will Maginness (Oakleigh Chargers)

6. Brisbane Lions - Isaac Conway (Aspley)

7. Adelaide - Charlie Cameron (Swan Districts)

8. North Melbourne - Joel Tippett (West Adelaide)

9. Essendon - Fraser Thurlow (Labrador)

10. Collingwood - Corey Gault (Collingwood)

11. Richmond - Todd Banfield (Brisbane Lions)

12. Carlton - Luke Reynolds (Port Adelaide)

13. Port Adelaide - Sam Russell (Geelong Falcons)

14. Sydney Swans - Pass

15. Geelong - James Toohey (Oakleigh Chargers)

16. Fremantle - Michael Wood (Subiaco)

17. Hawthorn - Dallas Willsmore (North Ballarat Rebels)

18. GWS Giants- Pass

19. Melbourne - Max King (Murray Bushrangers)

20. St Kilda - Mav Weller (Gold Coast)

21. Gold Coast - Pass

22. West Coast - Rohan Powell (Claremont)

23. Brisbane Lions - Zac O'Brien (Essendon VFL)

24. Adelaide - James Battersby (Sturt)

25. North Melbourne- Kayne Turner (Murray Bushrangers)

26. Essendon - Patrick Ambrose (Old Xaverians)

27. Richmond - Anthony Miles (GWS)

28. Carlton - Cameron Wood (Collingwood)

29. Port Adelaide - Sam Gray (Port Adelaide SANFL)

30. Sydney Swans - Pass

31. Geelong - Nick Bourke (Geelong Falcons)

32. Fremantle- Thomas Vandeleur (South Fremantle)

33. Hawthorn - Derick Wanganeen (Hawthorn)

34. GWS Giants - Pass

35. Melbourne - Alexis Georgiou (Norwood)

36. St Kilda - Jason Holmes (USA)

37. Gold Coast - Pass

38. West Coast - Murray Newman (West Coast)

39. Brisbane Lions - Pass

40. Adelaide - Jake Kelly (Oakleigh Chargers)

41. Essendon - Johnny Rayner (previously unregistered player)

42. Richmond - Matt Thomas (Port Adelaide)

43. Carlton - Blaine Johnson (South Fremantle)

44. Port Adelaide - Brent Renouf (Port Adelaide)

45. Sydney - Patrick Mitchell (USA)

46. Geelong - Zachary Bates (West Adelaide)

47. Fremantle - Jacob Ballard (Northern Blues)

48. Hawthorn - Zac Webster (Glenorchy)

50. Melbourne - Neville Jetta (Melbourne)

51. Gold Coast - Pass

52. Adelaide- Alex Spina (North Adelaide)

53. Carlton- Heath Scotland (Carlton)

54. Port Adelaide - Daniel Flynn (Ireland)

55. Sydney Swans - Lloyd Perris (NSW ACT Rams)

56. Geelong - Michael Luxford (previously unregistered player)

57. Hawthorn - Ben Ross (Werribee)

58. GWS Giants - Pass

59. Gold Coast - Pass

60. Carlton - Ciaran Sheehan (Ireland)

61. Hawthorn - Kurt Heatherley (Sandringham/New Zealand)

62. GWS Giants - Pass

63. Gold Coast - Jarred Ellis (Broadbeach)

64. Carlton - Ciaran Byrne (Ireland)

65. Hawthorn - Shem Tatupu (Oakleigh/New Zealand)

66. GWS Giants - Pass

67. GWS Giants - Pass

68. GWS Giants - Pass

69. Brisbane Lions- Archie Smith (Mt Gravatt)

Interesting that Carlton picked up two Irish lads. I expect that as internationals they will not count in the rookie numbers and are in efect a bonus?

It appears that Templeton has an attitude problem and from all reports Mav Weller does as well; good luck Saints that just what you need.

I was hoping for Hourigan but the fact that he wasn't picked up would indicate that the recruiters mustn't think he's good enough.

It appears that Templeton has an attitude problem and from all reports Mav Weller does as well; good luck Saints that just what you need.

I was hoping for Hourigan but the fact that he wasn't picked up would indicate that the recruiters mustn't think he's good enough.

I expect most of the FIGJAM Weller had would've drained from him by being delisted and that kids with attitude problems often make good footballers! But that said I don't see any special talents in Weller or Templeton that have me too disappointed.

I think Hourigan just doesn't cut it athletically and therefore no matter how good he is recruiters wont be interested. Play some dominant SANFL or VFL and shed the puppy fat and he might change opinions next year. You can have all the talent in the world but you wont get drafted if the AFL recruiters dont think it will stand up at top level. And the thing is most of the time they are right.