Moral of the story.

Don't take players with pick 88.

Now remind me again jack. What was three way deal that was tossed around and inevitably was never used.

I bet the coke had wished they got the two fat ladies instead.

Shheeeit how can we be so bad at

A) picking duds

Think you will find that we have been very, very good at picking duds!

As for those that feel sorry for Cale and Gys, give me a break. It's not exactly a secret that Jordan was as lazy as they come, he didn't want to do the hard work that was required for him to become a quality AFL footballer, as for Morton he is on the record stating he didn't work hard enough his last couple of seasons with us.

Now they are without a club. Cry me a river. These two, lazy spuds have got what they deserve.

I think Cale is the first AFL player to weigh less when finishing up an AFL player when starting

Oh good lord, Bitty. Can't you show some discretion with your avatars? This is supposed to be a family friendly site. A little bit of vomit rose up to the back of my mouth. You sure know how to spoil a thread fella.

You really are a narrow and unimaginative fellow moon - I'll pray to Lord weaver to provide you with some suitable inspiration or quotations for reflection.

BTW this is a a dud thread - Cale is history ( and apart from the injustice alluded to above ) let's move on.

There's mistakes and then there's deliberate mistakes. We just can't take a trick with our drafting. Natural ball winners with good vision who are reasonably quick have to be high on the agenda - and they need to be able to kick properly, make good decisions and be a natural leader. Can we just have one of these types please?

What's astonishing is that we've yet to unearth a genuine A grade elite player since the advent of the draft (27 years ago) A player who without hesitation could be included in a team of a decade (or such like)

Jimmy and Garry were pre the '86 draft so that leaves Neitz who goes awfully close. The Ox as well if not for injuries. Tingay was a terrific player as well.

We are due a healthy slice of luck going forward. Hogan and/or Viney could get there. Other clubs unearth absolute stars from way outside the top 10 picks. Goodes (43) Black (31) and Hird (92) are just 3 examples.

Cale just never got any better than his under 18 year - impossible to predict.

Our drafting aint that bad its the first round picks that have killed us!

Well said Macca, let's hope the Footy God's smile fatefully our way for a change ? Eh?

Jeez Bitters, seems some like rough trannys and some like choirboys.you can't please everyone.Cale couldn't please anyone but I've got a job lined up for him.

I blame Carlton.

Had it not been for the infamous Kreuzer Cup game at the end of 2007, we'd have had picks 1 & 2 in that draft, not pick 4 which we ultimately used on Cale Morton.

If we lost Kreuzer Cup we would have had an end of first round pick in 07, eligible for pick 1 & 2 in 08 draft (Watts, Naitanui, etc).

Pretty sure that if we didn't select Morton, we probably would have selected Jarrad Grant (Palmer and Grimes alternate options too). Dangerfield and Rioli were never really in the frame for us. At least Grimes might provide salvation from the 07 crop.

Jeez Bitters, seems some like rough trannys and some like choirboys.you can't please everyone.Cale couldn't please anyone but I've got a job lined up for him.

Thanks Biff. I put the choirboy there for Moon's benefit.

Had we had the right development program in place when he was drafted, who knows what Cale could have become?

Had we had the right development program in place when he was drafted, who knows what Cale could have become?

Our drafting aint that bad its the first round picks that have killed us!

We've probably had about 35 first round draft picks since '86 (if you add on 3 priority picks and other picks that we've traded for - Grimes/TJ, McLean/Gysberts, Thompson/Moloney etc etc) Then if you add on all the picks near the end of the 1st round the number would exceed 40. Might even be closer to 45.

But you're right, our strike rate has been appallingly bad. Not one A grade elite player out of all those picks. The curse lives on in the draft. Hopefully it all changes in the near future.

Cale Morton was the worst footballer I have ever seen.

A name that was recently delisted was the worst footballer ever to play

I had high hopes for Morton, but he just never got any bigger and just wasn't physically equipped to play AFL football at the highest level.

He seemed to have a lot more confidence in his first year but you could see it leaving him the longer he was with us.

I think that sums it up: a mistake that others could have made. It's debatable (and I'm not arguing one side or the other) that it's excusable given that most of the footy world agreed that he was worth the early pick, but surely it's beyond contention that it was a mistake.

Disagree. Can't really be bothered saying it all again, but drafting Morton on the evidence that was available in 2007 was not a 'mistake'. To disagree is to reason with hindsight.

Drafting Cook was a mistake. Arguably the same goes for Gysberts. And maybe a few others here and there. But not Morton. The issue with Cale was that we failed to make the most of the decision we made.

Rumours I heard was that other recruiters laughed at our interest in Cook.

Disagree. Can't really be bothered saying it all again, but drafting Morton on the evidence that was available in 2007 was not a 'mistake'. To disagree is to reason with hindsight.

Drafting Cook was a mistake. Arguably the same goes for Gysberts. And maybe a few others here and there. But not Morton. The issue with Cale was that we failed to make the most of the decision we made.

Why does the fact that it uses hindsight make it any less valid? He turned out not to be any good, I can't see how that's not a mistake. Mistake, wrong, bad. Are you saying selecting Morton was correct, right, good?

The evidence that was available in 2007 is the same evidence that is available now: the same bloke who's now on the heap for the second time. He didn't magically transform in to someone different after being drafted. I'm not suggesting that it was easy, or even possible, to predict that he wouldn't make it, hence the use of the word "forgiveable" in my first post. Everyone in the footy world thought he was good. But that doesn't mean we made the right call - I would have thought it was patently clear that we didn't. Everyone in the footy world got it wrong with Morton - but we were the only ones who made a call on it that mattered and we got it wrong.

Although West Coast took Masten ahead, in spite of what was almost universal agreement in the footy world that Morton was a better player. Perhaps they should be excluded from "everyone".

Cale Morton now joins Jordan Gysberts as ex Dees delisted after only 12 months at there 2nd clubs. What a waste of pick 4 in 2007 :-( This kid never recovered from the humiliation of running away from Brendan Lade. Never had the build or work ethic to succeed in AFL.

hmmn, sorry OMR, but Cales foibles were onshow from his very first game, & the fact he was allowed to continue getting his cheap tricks in his favorite back pocket gained from short kickins, is a travesty against this club.

He was reluctant to tackle from game 1.

& Bennell was taught in the 'new school' methods, as well. but he can play?

Mistakes are always a good idea at the time.

Mistakes are always a good idea at the time.

Exactly!

Why does the fact that it uses hindsight make it any less valid? He turned out not to be any good, I can't see how that's not a mistake. Mistake, wrong, bad. Are you saying selecting Morton was correct, right, good?

The evidence that was available in 2007 is the same evidence that is available now: the same bloke who's now on the heap for the second time. He didn't magically transform in to someone different after being drafted. I'm not suggesting that it was easy, or even possible, to predict that he wouldn't make it, hence the use of the word "forgiveable" in my first post. Everyone in the footy world thought he was good. But that doesn't mean we made the right call - I would have thought it was patently clear that we didn't. Everyone in the footy world got it wrong with Morton - but we were the only ones who made a call on it that mattered and we got it wrong.

Although West Coast took Masten ahead, in spite of what was almost universal agreement in the footy world that Morton was a better player. Perhaps they should be excluded from "everyone".

To simplify my post greatly, I place draftees in to one of three possible categories:

1) A successful pick

2) A poor but justifiable pick

3) A poor and indefensible pick.

I put Morton in category 2. By your rejection of the word "mistake", you seem to be putting him in category 1 and I think that's complete nonsense. For what it's worth Cook, Gysberts, Molan et al belong in category 3 and they're the ones you hang a recruiter for (not for the cat 2s).

WCE delist Cale Morton - where to now?

"Cale fail"? Why do people seemingly take pleasure in continuing to rubbish our cast-offs well after they have left the club?