GWS Salary Cap

[Redleg 38,690]

Do GWS actually have a salary cap?

If they get Buddy as rumoured and secure Martin as also rumoured they will be paying at least $3.2m per season for at least 4 years, for 3 players, including the ex MFC person.

Throw in Patton and Cameron and they would not have any money left, if they had a salary cap anywhere near the other AFL clubs.

I know they were given an extra amount, but surely they can't fit all these players in.

Are we subject to AFL condoned salary cap cheating or what?

[DeeSpencer 23,689]

Patton and Cameron wouldn't be on much...yet

Remember Ward, Phil Davis and guess who T Scully got big deals as well. But because they didn't get many older guys they front ended the crap through them.

Also Franklin will get outside the cap money. Which is as you put it AFL condoned salary cap cheating.

But personally I think their list building structure resembles us under Bailey. Too many kids, no culture. Gold Coast seem much more steady. If they get Franklin and Martin it will be a great way for them to end up in trouble down the track I think.

And the salary cap pressure will come in the next 2-4 years. Taylor Adams might leave already and then lets see what happens to Shiel, Tomlinson, Treloar, Whitfield, O'Rourke, Coniglio, Tyson, Haynes, Greene, Liam Sumner, Devon Smith.

[Machsy 2,858]

Don't care - GWS getting Dustin Martin puts us in the box seat for Tay Adams.

Get onto it Roosy!

In all seriousness, the Giants & Suns have had an amazing advantage in being able to frontload a lot of contracts, but also by virtue of attracting bugger all FA signings in their first year, the majority of Scully, Davis and Ward's contracts would have been paid off out of necessity of frontloading to pay the minimum requirement of the salary cap in their first years.

Remember that rookie contracts are set - you can't pay them overs.

Although, so many would have signed extensions early on in their careers to again boost the amount of the cap GWS are paying now, to give them space for later.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Don't care - GWS getting Dustin Martin puts us in the box seat for Tay Adams.

Get onto it Roosy!

In all seriousness, the Giants & Suns have had an amazing advantage in being able to frontload a lot of contracts, but also by virtue of attracting bugger all FA signings in their first year, the majority of Scully, Davis and Ward's contracts would have been paid off out of necessity of frontloading to pay the minimum requirement of the salary cap in their first years.

Remember that rookie contracts are set - you can't pay them overs.

Although, so many would have signed extensions early on in their careers to again boost the amount of the cap GWS are paying now, to give them space for later.

Supposedly they paid $cully $2m of his $6m contract up front, leaving $4m to be paid over the next 5 years.

[RickyJ45 392]

Do GWS actually have a salary cap?

its the falafels in the paper bags Im worried about....... phil scully cant get enough of em

[Little Richard 5,943]

Don't care - GWS getting Dustin Martin puts us in the box seat for Tay Adams.Get onto it Roosy!In all seriousness, the Giants & Suns have had an amazing advantage in being able to frontload a lot of contracts, but also by virtue of attracting bugger all FA signings in their first year, the majority of Scully, Davis and Ward's contracts would have been paid off out of necessity of frontloading to pay the minimum requirement of the salary cap in their first years.Remember that rookie contracts are set - you can't pay them overs.Although, so many would have signed extensions early on in their careers to again boost the amount of the cap GWS are paying now, to give them space for later.

I would have thought Martin going to GWS would all but meant Adams will be at the Tigers as the GWS list manager already threw up that possibility (Martin for Adams).

[beelzebub 22,762]

Red , I think its an open cheque book up there. Special fund for this, ambassadorships for that. Then theres the "having to play in western sydney" allowance.

AFL learnt from Messendon......."whatever it takes"

[Redleg 38,690]

I would have thought Martin going to GWS would all but meant Adams will be at the Tigers as the GWS list manager already threw up that possibility (Martin for Adams).

That's my concern. That is why I hope Martin stays with the Tiges.

[beelzebub 22,762]

Salary Caps

[Ted Lasso 17,320]

On one of those facebook page things ( i know they're not reliable in any way ) it says the hawks have taken their offer off the table for Buddy and are thinking of a future without him,

i personally don't believe this for a second considering it's like 2 nights out from a prelim final,

but still it would seem that GWS might land their man if there is any truth to that rumour.

[beelzebub 22,762]

On one of those facebook page things ( i know they're not reliable in any way ) it says the hawks have taken their offer off the table for Buddy and are thinking of a future without him,

i personally don't believe this for a second considering it's like 2 nights out from a prelim final,

but still it would seem that GWS might land their man if there is any truth to that rumour.

Buddy offer OFF the table

tis in the papers..

[Ted Lasso 17,320]

Buddy offer OFF the table

tis in the papers..

Just looked at the Author and cringed haha, i suppose most people would have known this was coming though.

[Redleg 38,690]

Salary Caps

Good one BB.

[Machsy 2,858]

I would have thought Martin going to GWS would all but meant Adams will be at the Tigers as the GWS list manager already threw up that possibility (Martin for Adams).

Only if there is a trade.

With pick 1 in the PSD, GWS will be angling for that.

No trade.

[Machsy 2,858]

Buddy offer OFF the table

tis in the papers..

Also says the offer was rescinded back in July.

I think it's more Hawthorn trying to pressure Franklin for a decision, than a move indicating the hawks are moving on.

[Young Dee 1,303]

Patton and Cameron wouldn't be on much...yet

Remember Ward, Phil Davis and guess who T Scully got big deals as well. But because they didn't get many older guys they front ended the crap through them.

Also Franklin will get outside the cap money. Which is as you put it AFL condoned salary cap cheating.

But personally I think their list building structure resembles us under Bailey. Too many kids, no culture. Gold Coast seem much more steady. If they get Franklin and Martin it will be a great way for them to end up in trouble down the track I think.

And the salary cap pressure will come in the next 2-4 years. Taylor Adams might leave already and then lets see what happens to Shiel, Tomlinson, Treloar, Whitfield, O'Rourke, Coniglio, Tyson, Haynes, Greene, Liam Sumner, Devon Smith.

PJ will be waiting on the sidelines - check book in hand ooh revenge is sweet!

Maybe that's one way we could get Adams - tell them that they need to spread their list out - they give us Adams for a high pick and they have less future salary problems?

Edited September 18, 2013 by Young Dee

[Machsy 2,858]

We don't need to tell them.

GWS & GCS have both been actively seeking to do just that over the last 2 years.

They're all over it.

[beelzebub 22,762]

Also says the offer was rescinded back in July.

I think it's more Hawthorn trying to pressure Franklin for a decision, than a move indicating the hawks are moving on.

you dont think the decision already made ? I do

[Machsy 2,858]

By who?

Franklin?

Probably.

But Hawthorn are still relatively in the dark, and I think they are trying to pressure him to either make or reveal his decision.

[Trisul 654]

I know it's not central to the topic but I couldn't recall what the concessions were, so fwiw here's the list;

2012 - 44-50 senior list, nine rookies with $640,000 - $1m TPP extra allowance;
2013 - 44-50 senior list, nine rookies with $640,000 - $1m TPP extra allowance;
2014 - 44-50 senior list, nine rookies with $640,000 - $1m TPP extra allowance;
2015 - 44-48 senior list, nine rookies with $640k - $880k TPP extra allowance;
2016 - 42-46 senior list, nine rookies with $520k - $760k TPP extra allowance;
2017 - 40-44 senior list, nine rookies with $400k - $640k TPP extra allowance;
2018 - 38-42 senior list, nine rookies with $200k - $520k TPP extra allowance;
2019 - 38 senior list, nine rookies in line with other AFL clubs.

[beelzebub 22,762]

By who?

Franklin?

Probably.

But Hawthorn are still relatively in the dark, and I think they are trying to pressure him to either make or reveal his decision.

Just look who manages Buddy and consider the history and player-speak of his others. nuff said

[Redleg 38,690]

Just look who manages Buddy and consider the history and player-speak of his others. nuff said

Are you pick(er)ing on him?

[H_T 2,941]

Do GWS actually have a salary cap?

If they get Buddy as rumoured and secure Martin as also rumoured they will be paying at least $3.2m per season for at least 4 years, for 3 players, including the ex MFC person.

Throw in Patton and Cameron and they would not have any money left, if they had a salary cap anywhere near the other AFL clubs.

I know they were given an extra amount, but surely they can't fit all these players in.

Are we subject to AFL condoned salary cap cheating or what?

The likes of Scully, Ward, Davis, Palmers first year part of their contracts would have been massively front loaded, and I dare say the bulk of their contracts are already paid.

This means they would have a heap of room to attack this off season at BIG targets as the current GWS recruits contracts fall back into line.

Landing both Buddy and Martin is quite a possibility as the AFL would be keen on them making big inroads in a competitive sense.

[beelzebub 22,762]

Are you pick(er)ing on him?

Liamee alone !!!

[daisycutter 28,728]

I know it's not central to the topic but I couldn't recall what the concessions were, so fwiw here's the list;

2012 - 44-50 senior list, nine rookies with $640,000 - $1m TPP extra allowance;

2013 - 44-50 senior list, nine rookies with $640,000 - $1m TPP extra allowance;

2014 - 44-50 senior list, nine rookies with $640,000 - $1m TPP extra allowance;

2015 - 44-48 senior list, nine rookies with $640k - $880k TPP extra allowance;

2016 - 42-46 senior list, nine rookies with $520k - $760k TPP extra allowance;

2017 - 40-44 senior list, nine rookies with $400k - $640k TPP extra allowance;

2018 - 38-42 senior list, nine rookies with $200k - $520k TPP extra allowance;

2019 - 38 senior list, nine rookies in line with other AFL clubs.

is the "living in sydney expenses" on top of that?