Thankfully, far more knowledgable people than the posters here will make the decision on who we draft. It appears that people forget that kids do get off the rails from time to time, but in most cases they get back on track. Martin is a kid who will realise that he can either focus on his football and become an "a" grader or he will fall by the wayside. IMO, he has so much more to give and whoever gets him will get an absolute star. Hopefully Roos and co have the confidence that they can bring the best out in him.

I would not give pick 2 for Martin.

Reminds me a lot like Sylvia, will dominate for a quarter or two then go missing.

Would rather keep the number 2 pick and not get him.

Thankfully, far more knowledgable people than the posters here will make the decision on who we draft. It appears that people forget that kids do get off the rails from time to time, but in most cases they get back on track. Martin is a kid who will realise that he can either focus on his football and become an "a" grader or he will fall by the wayside. IMO, he has so much more to give and whoever gets him will get an absolute star. Hopefully Roos and co have the confidence that they can bring the best out in him.

I agree with you except, my problem is I don't think he has it in him to make such a substantial change. its very hard work from where he is. with his environment.

I would not give pick 2 for Martin.

Reminds me a lot like Sylvia, will dominate for a quarter or two then go missing.

Would rather keep the number 2 pick and not get him.

Maybe, just maybe, Paul Roos, who seems to have some secret "way" with players, could be the one person who could get Colin to perform consistently to near his best, and maybe he is the one person who could (possibly) do the same for Martin.

Who knows??

Interesting times.

Originally I was all for us taking Dusty, but coming round to the idea that it wouldn't be real clever.

So, Dusty's out, I'm hearing James O'Connor might be looking for a code change.......

Would love to get sone inside info of whom we are really after and whom we will we get from one of our sources

According to the age everyone has gone cold on Martin except GWS and Brisbane, Richmond should offer him less now

I hope none of our players have Ralph Carr as a manager.

Crawl back with tail between legs time?

(though would think GWS would jump in the pre-season draft if he ended up there).

Well, that's the end of that then...

http://http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dees-wont-chase-martin-20130918-2tzsp.html

Well, that's the end of that then...

http://http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dees-wont-chase-martin-20130918-2tzsp.html

yep....all over red rover. Dodged a bullet

and we move on and along

Would probably still take him in the PSD if available.

However, it seems we should actively target others in the trade period (ie, Swallow and Adams).

Would probably still take him in the PSD if available.

However, it seems we should actively target others in the trade period (ie, Swallow and Adams).

Too many others with a recent interest in Adams. I would rather focus on Swallow who is probably a more elite footballer.

Yeah plus Richmond are trying to get a deal done now with GWS. Martin for Adams, straight swap.

Apologies if it's been stated above, but I've just heard on SEN they believed Melbourne has pulled the pin on its offer to Dustin Martin.

I believe its his old man that are pulling the strings and having the last say in everything?

Apologies if it's been stated above, but I've just heard on SEN they believed Melbourne has pulled the pin on its offer to Dustin Martin.

I don't think we had an offer on the table, just not interested in a chat anymore.

Im of the thinking we were never interested. Some folk took idle text chit chat way out of proportion and married that to a desire of their own to go after him.

I think you will find the Dees are flying a bit under the radar at present

Making the statement that we're not interested in Martin, imo is a move to hopefully see him stay, and keep Richmond out of the Taylor Adams sweepstakes. This kid should be top of our list.

I hope none of our players have Ralph Carr as a manager.

They don't.

He only has 4 afl clients: Dustin Martin, Travis Cloke, Nick Haynes from GWS and another I can't recall, who is of little consequence.

He mainly managers entertainers like Kate Cebrano, Vanessa Amorosi and creepy magician Cosentino.

It seems only poorly advised and naive players sign with him.

But it's obvious where his style of negotiation comes from.

He won't last long in the AFL game, imho.

How good is is that all the Roos-rumours turned out to be true, and the Dusty-rumours rubbish? Looks like the MFC is finally becoming DH free!

ROOOOOS

Im of the thinking we were never interested. Some folk took idle text chit chat way out of proportion and married that to a desire of their own to go after him.

I think you will find the Dees are flying a bit under the radar at present

Me too. Roos would not be that stupid. The article is interesting in that it notes that contact with MFC was initiated by Carr not MFC. It is also interesting in that is public (back page headline) and categorical. We don't want him, now or ever.

For those posters who argued that we should 'man up' and take Martin, Roos and the clubs definitive call on Martin (and for matter the almost complete lack of interest from other clubs) should be evidence enough that sort of thinking is out of date and belongs to another era.

Thankfully, far more knowledgable people than the posters here will make the decision on who we draft. It appears that people forget that kids do get off the rails from time to time, but in most cases they get back on track. Martin is a kid who will realise that he can either focus on his football and become an "a" grader or he will fall by the wayside. IMO, he has so much more to give and whoever gets him will get an absolute star. Hopefully Roos and co have the confidence that they can bring the best out in him.

I don't think many people forget that at all but as u mentioned in my previous post we need to fix our own culture issues/problems first before we take on new ones.

You know...sometimes when things derail....they re rail them.. are taken away and repaired. Sometimes things are scrapped on the spot too !!

Sometimes Leopards and spots = Tigers and stripes !!

According to the age everyone has gone cold on Martin except GWS and Brisbane, Richmond should offer him less now

I think its a match made in heaven, or the footy equivalent. Martin > GWS....Adams > Tigers.

.... but what of free agent Buddy? or will Buddy go north & martin just cross town?

swings & roundabouts, or just a roundabout.

Yeah plus Richmond are trying to get a deal done now with GWS. Martin for Adams, straight swap.

I suspect that this is an encouraged scenario.

I don't buy for a second the games the Tiges were playing, or maybe the Carr was trying to buck the systems wishes, up til yesterday?

I don't think many people forget that at all but as u mentioned in my previous post we need to fix our own culture issues/problems first before we take on new ones.

so Al, whats the mail on Martin? is he going to the Hawks, or has it changed?