It's totally irrelevant.

So what? It should have no bearing.

'hey the police are going to knock on your door tomorrow and charge you with murder'

'Ok well I'll confess first. that way if I am found guilty I will get a lighter sentence'.

Hmmmm...

Agree. But isn't the issue here did AD break the confidentiality of ASADA/AFP etc.? Dunno how that helps Essendon even if he did.

Still mildly interested to know if Hird claimed AD stated ASADA were after you, or AD just said you are likely to be in the firing line given all the rumours circulating.

I hate to disagree with Redleg's learned judgement but I reckon parties on a speaker phone are at a meeting. Was there a speaker phone though?

Seriously, isn't that what happens in real life? Don't judges generally give a lighter sentence if a person pleads guilty?

Though this contention is being process in a Court of Law, the actual penalty and enforcement is done in another arena, i.e under the covenant of WADA and the rules as agreed to by the varying parties. Its up to WADA/ASADA to determine the seriousness not a Court of Law

What's the state of play?

I thought the AFL had already sanctioned the club?

Now it's ASADA trying to sanction the individuals involved, the first step of which were the show cause notices?

I get really confused with this issue.

Thought for a moment, reading that, that this was a MRP thread.

I have been going there for over 20 years - seriously overrated back then as it is now. ( the service is exceptional - the food is very good without being exceptional)

Their peking duck is pretty good, that's about all I go for though.

It's totally irrelevant.

Hmmmm...

Never said it was. I was responding to the suggestion that when someone rings someone that is a meeting between them and anyone else present when the call is received.

Agree. But isn't the issue here did AD break the confidentiality of ASADA/AFP etc.? Dunno how that helps Essendon even if he did.

Still mildly interested to know if Hird claimed AD stated ASADA were after you, or AD just said you are likely to be in the firing line given all the rumours circulating.

I hate to disagree with Redleg's learned judgement but I reckon parties on a speaker phone are at a meeting. Was there a speaker phone though?

Who said it was a speaker phone, not that it matters? Also I think Hird has said that Evans told him what AD allegedly said. Doesn't sound like a speaker phone then.

Who said it was a speaker phone, not that it matters? Also I think Hird has said that Evans told him what AD allegedly said. Doesn't sound like a speaker phone then.

My clear memory Redleg is that Hird said Evans took a call from AD and said That Essendon was the one in the sights of ASADA.

Of course Evans has until now denied that and AD says he was not told till after that date.

This is backed up by the relevant authority.

Who said it was a speaker phone, not that it matters? Also I think Hird has said that Evans told him what AD allegedly said. Doesn't sound like a speaker phone then.

I think it matters (though I don't know if there was a speaker phone). If it was not, then it is pretty close to hearsay for Hird to state AD said something isn't it? If it was a speaker phone then whether or not it was a 'meeting' might depend on the nature of Hird being involved. I have been at plenty of speaker phone meetings where it was clear it was pre-arranged that I was at the 'meeting'. I have been at some where it was "by the way, Sue is listening too" and maybe talking too but not pre-arranged, and some where I listened but the people at the other end weren't told I was there. I'd say in all but the last I was at a meeting.

Gosh, I'm lost now; why are we discussing the definition of a meeting...........? Essendon is doing my brain in.

AD probably let them know they were being investigated so helped them to decide to 'self report' to lighten the possible sanctions. So now they turn around and burn AD for trying to help them, what a disgrace.

AD probably let them know they were being investigated so helped them to decide to 'self report' to lighten the possible sanctions. So now they turn around and burn AD for trying to help them, what a disgrace.

I have no doubt AD was primarily concerned with the AFL as a whole. He showed a rare moment of naivety in only calling them and not realising this would grow legs. I dont see Vlad as particularly innocent in any of this .

AD probably let them know they were being investigated so helped them to decide to 'self report' to lighten the possible sanctions. So now they turn around and burn AD for trying to help them, what a disgrace.

essendon is a synonym for disgrace

I have no doubt AD was primarily concerned with the AFL as a whole. He showed a rare moment of naivety in only calling them and not realising this would grow legs. I dont see Vlad as particularly innocent in any of this .

I'm no defender of AD, but leaving aside his mistake in not calling 17 other clubs as well to cover his bum when seeking to help Essendon (and AFL), what exactly is the nature of his non-innocence? Genuine question.

How can Hird possibly work at the club again after distancing himself from them the way he did today?

I'm no defender of AD, but leaving aside his mistake in not calling 17 other clubs as well to cover his bum when seeking to help Essendon (and AFL), what exactly is the nature of his non-innocence? Genuine question.

He has attempted to minimise the remonstrations that would obviously occur to the offending club and lessen any penalties thus benefitting the League. His interests ( as I see them ) werent about natural justice and Essendon being penalised to the extent they ought he hoped obviously to lessen the impact. He meddled..and he f'd up.The AFL thinks its really above such lesser things as International Sports Governance and the health of its constituent personnel.i.e the players.

its just plain wrong wrong wrong...Contemptable for mine

Just on the speaker phone issue. The quote from Hird (or at least as quoted in a tweet) was that AD had told evans they were the club in a meeting. Was worded if it was a face to face meeting, but def said meeting. Funny no journos picked it up

Mr Young said that a finding against his client could "effectively destroy its business".

Surely, if Essendon's business is effectively destroyed as a result of the ASADA investigation, then this was due wholly and solely to the conduct and behaviour of its own personnel in instituting a programme of injecting its players with a prohibited substance?

Surely, if Essendon's business is effectively destroyed as a result of the ASADA investigation, then this was due wholly and solely to the conduct and behaviour of its own personnel in instituting a programme of injecting its players with a prohibited substance?

Maybe they are running the James Hardie Asbestos, BP oil spill or bank too big to fail line. The hubris....

Surely, if Essendon's business is effectively destroyed as a result of the ASADA investigation, then this was due wholly and solely to the conduct and behaviour of its own personnel in instituting a programme of injecting its players with a prohibited substance?

The arrogance of self import

Went over to bomberblitz to see the meltdown, and either I'm blind or they don't have any threads on the whole drugs saga. Seems they're all putting their heads in the sand

Went over to bomberblitz to see the meltdown, and either I'm blind or they don't have any threads on the whole drugs saga. Seems they're all putting their heads in the sand

what saga

we did nothing wrong

james is a legend

Went over to bomberblitz to see the meltdown, and either I'm blind or they don't have any threads on the whole drugs saga. Seems they're all putting their heads in the sand

I think there are threads only accessible if your a member...could be wrong

Heard Warner on 3aw tonight. Was asked if it was a test match what would the scores be. He said at lunch ASADA 2/38 on a green top, AFL in trouble and Hird 103 not out. Derwayne asked if he was serious and he replied that yes, very much so.

I'd be fascinatde to hear your score WJ

Heard Warner on 3aw tonight. Was asked if it was a test match what would the scores be. He said at lunch ASADA 2/38 on a green top, AFL in trouble and Hird 103 not out. Derwayne asked if he was serious and he replied that yes, very much so.

I'd be fascinatde to hear your score WJ

am I missing something....Warner obviously a Bomber fan then ? Or Legal expert...or a nong ??

am I missing something....Warner obviously a Bomber fan then ? Or Legal expert...or a nong ??

could be all three bub