Olive branch to LJ..kiss and make up.. He'd still be our best forward if fit.

Funny, most posters were probably thinking you were the fool making very occasional sense. If you are in need of new friends, look elsewhere.

Possibly.

Explain the issues with which you disagree - buddy.

Besides Yarrans pace he doesn't offer a lot. His kicking is ordinary. If Watts does ask to be traded Yarran may be offered up if Carlton is his preferred club. Going to be an interesting trade period.

Edited August 17, 201312 yr by Al's Demons

Besides Yarrans pace he doesn't offer a lot. His kicking is ordinary. If Watts does ask to be traded Yarran may be offered up if Carlton is his preferred club. Going to be an interesting trade period.

He's a good kick, but when your confidence is shot and you're second guessing your decisions you don't execute properly, which is why your kicks fall short. When you're brimming with confidence those kicks thud into the chest.

Besides Yarrans pace he doesn't offer a lot. His kicking is ordinary. If Watts does ask to be traded Yarran may be offered up if Carlton is his preferred club. Going to be an interesting trade period.

Watts will love the tough love he'll get under the Malthouse/Neeld regime at Carlton ...

West Coast are very Keen on Yarren, would be very confident he will be over there in 2014

i dont get all this love for Yarran, he's proved less than Jack Watts

You'd be complaining about him every week i reckon if we got him

Explain to me how Yarran has both more talent and more application than Watts and therefore is a better proposition than him in a straight trade.

Entertain me.

There is absolutely no point in arguing my point with someone like you. You have an emotional bias to the club and therefore Watts as a player which results in your refusal to take an objective perspective on an issue like this.

This is also highlighted by the way you've changed my words. I never said Yarran has more talent and application than Watts and therefore is a better proposition. What I did say is that he, (like Watts), has talent and a great skill set but his mental application needs work so he can reach his potential. The reason I was arguing with people like you on this thread is because the same supporters that will give Watts the time for this mentality of his to change won't seem to give Yarran that opportunity.

My view is that if we were to get Yarran for a fair deal, I would be all for getting him in because he has a rare set of skills and he could be a fantastic player if he develops the other side he so desperately needs.

Now please tell your bf TimD to rack off also. This argument is over.

i dont get all this love for Yarran, he's proved less than Jack Watts

You'd be complaining about him every week i reckon if we got him

I just love these comments.

I'd love to watch you and a Carlton supporter come to an agreement about who has proved less or more.

Take your goggles off man. Wake the [censored] up. They both clearly have great skills and they both need to work on their psychological conditioning.

The only difference is this. One has publicly stated that he doesn't know whether or not he wants to play for the football club you barrack for.

Now please tell your bf TimD to rack off also. This argument is over.

Come one, I was still waiting for you to compare me with Hitler.

There is absolutely no point in arguing my point with someone like you. You have an emotional bias to the club and therefore Watts as a player which results in your refusal to take an objective perspective on an issue like this.

This is also highlighted by the way you've changed my words. I never said Yarran has more talent and application than Watts and therefore is a better proposition. What I did say is that he, (like Watts), has talent and a great skill set but his mental application needs work so he can reach his potential. The reason I was arguing with people like you on this thread is because the same supporters that will give Watts the time for this mentality of his to change won't seem to give Yarran that opportunity.

My view is that if we were to get Yarran for a fair deal, I would be all for getting him in because he has a rare set of skills and he could be a fantastic player if he develops the other side he so desperately needs.

Now please tell your bf TimD to rack off also. This argument is over.

You cannot support your argument so you abuse others. Talk about the internet equivalent of 'short steps'.

You argument is internally inconsistent - it makes zero sense. If watts and yarran both have the same peoblem and we cannot ifc that with watts we cannot fix it with yarran. Saying that we should be able to it a nonsense within your own logic because THAT IS THE REASON THAT WE ARE TRADING WATTS YOU NONG!

You assume the cause of the problems without supporting evidence AND the treatment without supporting evidence.

And bob is not my bf. That's RobbieF, just so you know.

He's a good kick, but when your confidence is shot and you're second guessing your decisions you don't execute properly, which is why your kicks fall short. When you're brimming with confidence those kicks thud into the chest.

same could be said for Watts, about his output...

I'd happily have him in our team, but it doesnt fix our midfield issue at all...

Brent Moloney &/or Brock McLean would be handy

Come one, I was still waiting for you to compare me with Hitler.

You have nothing to base your argument on other than emotional attachment. You have no response.

But by all means continue to make jokes, they're hilarious.

You cannot support your argument so you abuse others. Talk about the internet equivalent of 'short steps'.

You argument is internally inconsistent - it makes zero sense. If watts and yarran both have the same peoblem and we cannot ifc that with watts we cannot fix it with yarran. Saying that we should be able to it a nonsense within your own logic because THAT IS THE REASON THAT WE ARE TRADING WATTS YOU NONG!

You assume the cause of the problems without supporting evidence AND the treatment without supporting evidence.

And bob is not my bf. That's RobbieF, just so you know.

Jesus christ.

Are you ready?

Watts and Yarran have psychological conditioning issues. The both of them. To varying degrees they both show a lack of intensity and sense of urgency when on the field. To varying degrees they are both not comfortable with physical contact. To varying degrees they they both lack confidence because of this problem. But that is the root cause and issue that they have in common with one another.

Now when I made my first post about this whole Yarran/Watts comparison, it was before Watts had been on the footy show, expressing to the public of Australia that he doesn't know if he wants to play at our club or not. What does that tell us Tim? Well, it says to me as well as many others I have spoken to, that it may well be harder to develop him and have him overcome these psychological conditioning issues if he's not sure where he wants to be. It's not the only time that he's given away a lack of competitiveness. Remember the time he mentioned that losing doesn't bother him too much? I remember Jesse Hogan at his first press conference declaring that he hated to lose..

Now, I'm not discounting for a minute that being within the MFC environment for his entire career and being blooded as a marketing ploy for the club hasn't contributed to this lack of love and desire to play for the club. There may well be other issues you nor I even know about behind closed doors that have [censored] him off even more. Maybe even more of a reason why it would be harder to develop this mental weakness he has on the field?

Now when it comes to Yarran, it's not all the same is it Tim? He has played for Carlton for the same amount of years that Watts has played at Melbourne. He has come from a completely different environment. He has never publicly stated that he doesn't mind losing. In my eyes, and in the eyes of many others I have spoken to, he is probably a little bit further ahead when it comes to possessing a bit of arrogance. He's shown a little more urgency I would say too on field, and it is only this year since Mick Malthouse has jumped on board as senior coach that it seems there's been a rift between them and Yarran is having a bad year.

So Tim, there's your [censored] evidence pal, which suggests that it may indeed be easier to get more out of someone like Yarran coming from another club, rather than retain Watts and continue trying to re-condition him and work on the psychological aspects of his game. This runs deeper than just appointing a head coach. Most clubs and I'm sure the MFC are having Watts see a sports psychologist, but to date, I have only seen one game in which he was attacking the ball with ferocity and he looked like a completely different player for that quarter.

I hope you're able to understand some of the things I've spoken about Tim. If you're willing to let go of this personal annoyance you have with me, you'll see through that red, and you will see that it all makes sense.

x

I'd happily have him in our team, but it doesnt fix our midfield issue at all...

Brent Moloney &/or Brock McLean would be handy

Throw in a Scotty Thompson along with some outside run from someone like, I dunno, a Scully and things could have been quite different!

Tim.

I see on your profile that you've listed 'psychology' as one of your interests.

Check out a man by the name of Gabor Mate. He is great and has some very interesting things to say on conditioning.

Edited August 27, 201312 yr by stevethemanjordan

You have nothing to base your argument on other than emotional attachment. You have no response.

But by all means continue to make jokes, they're hilarious.

Jesus christ.

Are you ready?

Watts and Yarran have psychological conditioning issues. The both of them. To varying degrees they both show a lack of intensity and sense of urgency when on the field. To varying degrees they are both not comfortable with physical contact. To varying degrees they they both lack confidence because of this problem. But that is the root cause and issue that they have in common with one another.

Now when I made my first post about this whole Yarran/Watts comparison, it was before Watts had been on the footy show, expressing to the public of Australia that he doesn't know if he wants to play at our club or not. What does that tell us Tim? Well, it says to me as well as many others I have spoken to, that it may well be harder to develop him and have him overcome these psychological conditioning issues if he's not sure where he wants to be. It's not the only time that he's given away a lack of competitiveness. Remember the time he mentioned that losing doesn't bother him too much? I remember Jesse Hogan at his first press conference declaring that he hated to lose..

Now, I'm not discounting for a minute that being within the MFC environment for his entire career and being blooded as a marketing ploy for the club hasn't contributed to this lack of love and desire to play for the club. There may well be other issues you nor I even know about behind closed doors that have [censored] him off even more. Maybe even more of a reason why it would be harder to develop this mental weakness he has on the field?

Now when it comes to Yarran, it's not all the same is it Tim? He has played for Carlton for the same amount of years that Watts has played at Melbourne. He has come from a completely different environment. He has never publicly stated that he doesn't mind losing. In my eyes, and in the eyes of many others I have spoken to, he is probably a little bit further ahead when it comes to possessing a bit of arrogance. He's shown a little more urgency I would say too on field, and it is only this year since Mick Malthouse has jumped on board as senior coach that it seems there's been a rift between them and Yarran is having a bad year.

So Tim, there's your [censored] evidence pal, which suggests that it may indeed be easier to get more out of someone like Yarran coming from another club, rather than retain Watts and continue trying to re-condition him and work on the psychological aspects of his game. This runs deeper than just appointing a head coach. Most clubs and I'm sure the MFC are having Watts see a sports psychologist, but to date, I have only seen one game in which he was attacking the ball with ferocity and he looked like a completely different player for that quarter.

I hope you're able to understand some of the things I've spoken about Tim. If you're willing to let go of this personal annoyance you have with me, you'll see through that red, and you will see that it all makes sense.

x

I understand where you are coming from with this and you've made your point well. My opinion is that there is probably a greater probability of neither player reaching anywhere near the potential of the physical skills they have on offer.

They don't work hard enough and sometimes that can't be changed, they are both used to getting by with only the effort required and both have been able to look good at the junior level and at times in AFL when not challenged.

They will always tease. It's why I'm not so keen on Yarran and see Watts as being our next Silvia if he's not moved on.

... if we were to get Yarran for a fair deal, I would be all for getting him in because he has a rare set of skills and he could be a fantastic player if he develops the other side he so desperately needs.

Change a few words in that sentence and you could get to the truth about Watts:

"... if we were to re-sign Watts for a fair deal, I would be all for keeping him because he has a rare set of skills and he could be a fantastic player if he develops the other side he so desperately needs."

Why swap one for the other? I'm not sure either can develop the "other side" of their game.

I understand where you are coming from with this and you've made your point well. My opinion is that there is probably a greater probability of neither player reaching anywhere near the potential of the physical skills they have on offer.

They don't work hard enough and sometimes that can't be changed, they are both used to getting by with only the effort required and both have been able to look good at the junior level and at times in AFL when not challenged.

They will always tease. It's why I'm not so keen on Yarran and see Watts as being our next Silvia if he's not moved on.

Maybe they will and maybe they won't. You're right in suggesting that some players will never change that mentality. I can't see Watts changing at our club just because of the complexities that I've touched on. I feel like both could benefit being at different clubs, and if we got a good pick for Watts, I would trust our recruiting staff to pick a player with the right attributes and that would be much better for the CLUB rather than the individual. We have a completely different recruiting dep. Too many people feel sorry for Watts and it gets in the way of understanding the bigger picture which is that this club needs massive change. Players will always come and go.

Anyway, I'm not going to continue anymore. We'll see what happens.

Change a few words in that sentence and you could get to the truth about Watts:

"... if we were to re-sign Watts for a fair deal, I would be all for keeping him because he has a rare set of skills and he could be a fantastic player if he develops the other side he so desperately needs."

Why swap one for the other? I'm not sure either can develop the "other side" of their game.

If you read my last post it will answer your question Maurie.

Edited August 27, 201312 yr by stevethemanjordan

They just mentioned on SEN that Chris Yarran could be interested in a trade to Melbourne.

I think he would be a welcome addition, thoughts?

They just mentioned on SEN that Chris Yarran could be interested in a trade to Melbourne.

I think he would be a welcome addition, thoughts?

what's he going to cost? wouldn't be my priority,

They just mentioned on SEN that Chris Yarran could be interested in a trade to Melbourne.

I think he would be a welcome addition, thoughts?

This reeks of a Yarran for Watts straight swap.

I've actually tried to watch a bit of him in recent weeks due to our need for a small forward. From what I've seen he is inconsistent at times in front of goal, come to think of it so is Cloke and Jack and Nick R. I will be watching their final against the Tigers, want to see what he can offer in a big game against a flimsy opposition.

Edited September 5, 201312 yr by Al's Demons

NO TO YARRAN

FFS

Now move on

Thanks

I didn't quite get that first bit Roger. Am I right in saying you don't want Yarran?