Why would gws or gold coast want yet another pick?

Because they have an abundence of midfielders and desperately need Key Backmen..... I would imagine Matt Scharenberg would be pretty appealing to them!

But honestly though, what relevance does that have in reference to this year's trading and drafting?

Hogan was taken last year, regardless of when he'll be able to make an impact.

It's almost making excuses for a poor trading period before it even happens, to me.

Anyway, in reference to other posts above concerning Herald Sun rumours and whether we're involved in trade talks...

That only shows the contempt the media has for us.

Sure, some players would disregard us out of hand as a destination, but we aren't a leper colony.

It's just sexier for the papers to write about rumours involving the bigger teams.

Not at all, we have already taken, possibly, the best forward in the draft and as I said if we can pick up a couple of Quality mids and a few mature players we will have done well. There are no excuses there just the reality that some of the top players who are on the move not wanting to move across to us.

We will come good but it may just take a bit longer without the injection of ready made players.

Thanks for the summary WB, however I am not as concerned as others. I think MFC are in a great position in regards to trade and draft, no one knows wat the hell is happening other than those inside the club which means there are no leaks coming from the club different to previous years.

I believe we are in a very good position in regards to pick 2, knowing if we don't trade it for an established quality midfielder that's fine we go to the draft and pick up the best midfielder there. Aish/Kelly, both hopefully will be 10+ yr midfielders for our club. I know It will take a bit longer but if we get it right it can also set us up for sustained success in the future, Massive period for our club to get the selections right and confident our football department will this time around.

And then with pick 20 odd may be able to snare a dunstan or garlett with a bit of luck if we retain the pick of course.

Then the Sylvia compo pick and our later ones either trade for fringe players at other afl clubs and add midfield depth or through the draft.

However I feel we are in a great position and will be intrigued to see how we go in the next month, feeling pretty happy and can't wait to see what unfolds.

Go dees!!!

A relief to read something other than 'poor us we're the red headed step child of the afl'. The club has taken huge steps forward in terms of management, let's breathe 'selah' pause and consider, and see what we get we have all the pieces in place to recruit or trade well. And as for this squealing about a two tier competition, I choose to believe that when we have the cattle we will be able to pay them. And for what's its worth we're not unconnected in the world of business. I am truly sick of this poor me attitude some are displaying saying we're going to be raped of all our good players.

He was taken in last year's draft, with a pick that was compensation for a player from the 2009 draft.

To out it down as a coup for the 2013 draft would be wrong.

I'm only talking in reference to judging our performance in the 2013 drafting & trading period.

Onfield improvement for next year is another topic entirely.

Tony Sheahan has been on the money, predicting or having inside info on Roos appointment and Buddy going to the Swans, well before anyone else even floated the idea.

With that track record, it's interesting to note he has said Hawthorn are putting a massive deal forward to get Jack Darling.

Not sure who they'd give up, but it'd have to be some decent players.

Simpson would know who is under a cloud and not worth getting.

What's the bet we trade pick 2, and the player that we would have taken at pick 2 turns out to be an out and out star? So Melbourne lol

Tony Sheahan has been on the money, predicting or having inside info on Roos appointment and Buddy going to the Swans, well before anyone else even floated the idea.

With that track record, it's interesting to note he has said Hawthorn are putting a massive deal forward to get Jack Darling.

Not sure who they'd give up, but it'd have to be some decent players.

Simpson would know who is under a cloud and not worth getting.

Is there anything we could get from the Hawks that would be worth Pick 2, which they could hypothetically trade to the Weagles for someone like Darling?

Purely hypothetical here, just thinking out loud.

What's the bet we trade pick 2, and the player that we would have taken at pick 2 turns out to be an out and out star? So Melbourne lol

that's guaranteed.

fingers crossed whoever we trade it for can come in and be our best or second best midfielder from the get-go, and for another decade or so.

fingers crossed whoever we trade it for can come in and be our best or second best midfielder from the get-go, and for another decade or so.

If we trade pick 2 for one player they'd want to be our best straight away.

No disrespect to Jones, but he aint worth pick 2.

Jordy Lewis and Savage, for Pick 2

No disrespect to Jones, but he aint worth pick 2.

so if we were in the market for a mid who could play for us for the next decade, and jones was that player, you wouldn't swap him for pick 2?

for mine he's a better player than rockliff or sloane.

admittedly he's also a couple of years older, so has a greater level of experience than those guys. but he's also the numero uno in our midst, whereas they're either 2nd or 3rd cab off the rank with a lot more support around them (sloane, behind dangerfield and thompson with van berlo, vince, crouch in support, or rockliff, behind redden and rich, with zorko, black, moloney et al in support).

perhaps i'm over-rating him, but in comparison with those guys he doesn't have any playres ahead of him in our midfield, and very little support around him either.

Lewis is too old, 28 in April

Jordy Lewis and Savage, for Pick 2

no thanks

so if we were in the market for a mid who could play for us for the next decade, and jones was that player, you wouldn't swap him for pick 2?

for mine he's a better player than rockliff or sloane.

admittedly he's also a couple of years older, so has a greater level of experience than those guys. but he's also the numero uno in our midst, whereas they're either 2nd or 3rd cab off the rank with a lot more support around them (sloane, behind dangerfield and thompson with van berlo, vince, crouch in support, or rockliff, behind redden and rich, with zorko, black, moloney et al in support).

perhaps i'm over-rating him, but in comparison with those guys he doesn't have any playres ahead of him in our midfield, and very little support around him either.

Rockliff is a level higher than Jones as a player and I wouldn't be rapt to trade pick 2 for Sloane, although I accept we may have to pay overs to get a quality player.

None of Shuey, Rockliff or Sloane are worth pick 2, but I'd probably do the deal because we simply have to get some quality into the midfield.

EDIT: Conversely their own clubs would rather keep them than trade for pick 2, as pick 2 may not end up better and they've put 4/5 years development into these players. Notionally, pick 2 should become a better player.

None of Shuey, Rockliff or Sloane are worth pick 2, but I'd probably do the deal because we simply have to get some quality.

You could be right, but Rockliff is ready to go now, which is what we want and the reason we're trading the bloody pick. Also for what it's worth I reckon he'd be fine as a pick 2. The reason someone like him might become available (for the good reason you mentioned-time invested) is that they need a KPF at the lions badly.

Heard today we haven't got a hope in the twilight zone of getting Rockliff - but we are a big chance of getting Shuey.

Rockliff is a level higher than Jones as a player and I wouldn't be rapt to trade pick 2 for Sloane, although I accept we may have to pay overs to get a quality player.

None of Shuey, Rockliff or Sloane are worth pick 2, but I'd probably do the deal because we simply have to get some quality into the midfield.

EDIT: Conversely their own clubs would rather keep them than trade for pick 2, as pick 2 may not end up better and they've put 4/5 years development into these players. Notionally, pick 2 should become a better player.

I generally respect your opinion but I believe that Sloane - being the best and fairest at a team with a midfield including Scott Thompson and Dangerfield is right up there in pick 2 territory.

Heard today we haven't got a hope in the twilight zone of getting Rockliff - but we are a big chance of getting Shuey.

The bonus with Shuey is that he only has one year left on his contract and, according to the HUN, is 'warming' to the idea of coming back to Victoria.

If, and it's a huge IF, that's true, then Pick 2 would look very attractive to the Eagles if they panic that they could lose him at the end of next season.

Agree that we are no chance of getting Rockliff.

Interesting to see Simpsons view on Shuey and how highly he rates him.

West Coast star Luke Shuey attracts plenty of interest from Victorian-based clubs

It is understood Collingwood is one of the clubs very keen to secure Shuey, and he would add significantly to the Magpies midfield in the absence of Dale Thomas, who is almost certain to join Carlton this week.

Melbourne has also been suggested as a possible suitor, given the Demons hold draft pick options that might be attractive to the Eagles.

FWIW and because this is the rumour mill thread, I'll put this in here.

Sources are reasonably good and seem to match info being put about elsewhere.

* The proverbial is going to hit the fan in the next fortnight with multiple infraction notices to be served by ASADA on several NRL and AFL players with the number of Essendon players hit to be between 10 and 15; and

* A Victorian club (not us) in diabolical financial strife with AFL intervention required to bail out the club. This doesn't look promising after the AFL clubs put pressure on the Commission to limit assistance to the MFC.

Most of this came at a Friday lunch attended by some people of influence. About Melbourne, I heard absolutely nothing.

FWIW and because this is the rumour mill thread, I'll put this in here.

Sources are reasonably good and seem to match info being put about elsewhere.

* The proverbial is going to hit the fan in the next fortnight with multiple infraction notices to be served by ASADA on several NRL and AFL players with the number of Essendon players hit to be between 10 and 15; and

* A Victorian club (not us) in diabolical financial strife with AFL intervention required to bail out the club. This doesn't look promising after the AFL clubs put pressure on the Commission to limit assistance to the MFC.

Most of this came at a Friday lunch attended by some people of influence. About Melbourne, I heard absolutely nothing.

Interesting news WJ. Not surprised by the first part, very surprised by the second as we've heard nothing about it. Obviously a Dogs, Kangas or Saints would be the Vic clubs that come to mind.

And in terms of us - no news is good news in this case.

Interesting news WJ. Not surprised by the first part, very surprised by the second as we've heard nothing about it. Obviously a Dogs, Kangas or Saints would be the Vic clubs that come to mind.

And in terms of us - no news is good news in this case.

I think after their fine, loss of staff and the impending loss of almost half their players, Essendon might deserve a spot on that list.

I think after their fine, loss of staff and the impending loss of almost half their players, Essendon might deserve a spot on that list.

True, although 12 months ago I'm sure they had plenty of cash. The fines wouldn't have hit as hard as it did for us - not in the short term anyway. Still plenty of water to go under the bridge though so they may well end up on that list as well.

FWIW and because this is the rumour mill thread, I'll put this in here.

Sources are reasonably good and seem to match info being put about elsewhere.

* The proverbial is going to hit the fan in the next fortnight with multiple infraction notices to be served by ASADA on several NRL and AFL players with the number of Essendon players hit to be between 10 and 15; and

* A Victorian club (not us) in diabolical financial strife with AFL intervention required to bail out the club. This doesn't look promising after the AFL clubs put pressure on the Commission to limit assistance to the MFC.

Most of this came at a Friday lunch attended by some people of influence. About Melbourne, I heard absolutely nothing.

Am not surprised about infractions comng at all. Essendon are about to enter a world of pain. Will set them back a decade. The best thing is that it will end any chance Hird has of ever being involved in AFL again.

Interesting about that club in financial strife... guess I will speculate and say North or Bulldogs, only cos they are the obvious ones.