I think a lot of us forget how highly rated Jack Trengove was as a junior. We all know that this year was a downer due to captain pressure, new game structure etc., but I found some articles back from his pre draft days and I remember clearly a lot of us were jazzing our pants at the prospect of Trengove in a Melbourne jumper?

Top draft target revives memories of Hird

Young gun Trengove earns rave reviews

Jack Trengove Australia's most wanted

Thoughts?

His got a lot of potential. Lets face it, since he has been at the club there has been a lot of changes. I still believe this guy is going to be a great player of these club by the time his playing days at over.

Don't do this thread while his foot is in a moonboot...

He is setup for an awful year. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things but let's not build up a situation doomed to fail.

2013 will be a tough one for Trengove.

I remember noticing In his highlight videos and even his first year he had the ability to burst away from stoppages. I'm not sure whats happened to that speed off the mark but he looked very slow at times last year. I mentioned my concern about his pace last preseason and got shouted down but I do believe It's an issue. I just hope that he was carrying an injury last year.

Don't do this thread while his foot is in a moonboot...

He is setup for an awful year. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things but let's not build up a situation doomed to fail.

2013 will be a tough one for Trengove.

I agree, missing a major part of preseason and trying to recover from stress fractures isn't exactly your ideal preparation.

I remember noticing In his highlight videos and even his first year he had the ability to burst away from stoppages. I'm not sure whats happened to that speed off the mark but he looked very slow at times last year. I mentioned my concern about his pace last preseason and got shouted down but I do believe It's an issue. I just hope that he was carrying an injury last year.

You don't lose speed as a 20yo unless you are carrying an injury. I think you've answered your own doubts here.

You don't lose speed as a 20yo unless you are carrying an injury. I think you've answered your own doubts here.

I hope so mate, bloody love Trenners.

Was tracking just fine until last season, for which I am definitely in the 'he was carrying an injury' camp. As stated earlier this year is not set up well due to spending a large chunk of the pre-season in a moon boot, but long term I think he will be a very good player. He is a hard worker who won't leave anything to chance, and if the injuries allow him I think he will become the player he is capable of. He has good skills and is a good mark for his size.

I still think he'll be a great player for the club. His first two years were fantastic. He was still ok in 2012, but was a lot more defensive. He laid a lot of tackles, did more grunt work, but wasn't very effective offensively. I thought it was widely noted he developed a form of O.P. and thus lost lots of his running and kicking power. His kicking was well down last year. He wouldn't make the distance from 40 metres out at stages when taking set shots.

He'll have an average season this year due to his foot injury and lack of preparation. Missing out on preseason is massive. Even stars like Luke Hodge can't perform when they miss fitness training. It's just crucial in this day and age. Long-term though I think he'll be a star. He is just a superbly rounded player in the Jimmy Bartel mould. He can play anywhere, do the hard stuff, use his skills outside, and take a hanger and nail a goal. With more fitness and development his star will shine and thankfully it will be in a red and blue, as he's a loyal and level-headed guy.

Trenners will be fine once he overcomes his footy injury which indeed might impact on his 2013 season though to what extent we dont know. What we do know is that having 1 and a half Misson pre seasons under his belt means that he is better placed to salvage the season than he would have been prior to Misson's arrival at the club.

Sure he did not seem to play with great zest last year but for mine there were 2 factors in that.

1 - The 2012 pre season was simply harder than our players had experienced previously. I have no doubt that Trengove would have been one of the players tackling the challenge of their first Dave Misson pre season with great intensity. In the shirt term ie last season - he was perhaps cooked.

2 - Neeld made it clear our game had to have the hard defensive edge that has been lacking since the John Northey era. Now that sounds simple to type and to read but in reality implementation by the players is far from simple. It entailed an almost 180 degree change in their decision making and positoning. For mine Trengove over corrected in order to ensure he was setting the right defensive mindset example which Neeld pretty much admitted.

I too worry about Trenners & have for some time..

His pace has been a bit of a downfall...& the opposition know it.You see it most games & Trenners has become a bit of a "runs to the right spots man" but isnt really impacting games... just yet anyway.

I think he is still a potential rolls royce Robbie F but hopefully will not do a Trav Johnstone and go from Chocs to boiled lollies..

In saying this he has been a talented young player thrown into a MFC team balanced with some good footballers at the time... but mostly average ones the time he has been at MFC.

I think its stunted his growth a little bit..

Now the list has been turned over and some much better footballers seem to have arrived & I hope this takes pressure off him.

In saying all of this I cannnot question his work ethic or hardness to jump into a contest.

Don't do this thread while his foot is in a moonboot...

He is setup for an awful year. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things but let's not build up a situation doomed to fail.

2013 will be a tough one for Trengove.

I agree, every year players that do well 90% of them say it was because of a full pre-season. I'm not too concerned about him, but like so many young players that have come to the club he has had pressure and responsibilities thrusted upon him. But ultimately everything I've heard about him is that he is extremely competitive and driven to succeed. When enough people around him start to take the load off I believe that is when we'll see him play with freedom.

I can't see us seeing the best of him in 2013 until the latter stages of the year, no doubt in the meantime his name will be plastered by the likes of Denham and Wilson as another example of Melbourne's poor development. But remember this: we saw some great football from Grimes when he had a good run and then got another spat of injuries (before Neeled), he looked VERY good in the second half of 2012, I see a similar thing happening to Trenners. He played some very good football in 2011, last year he looked like he was hampered by something, hopefully this time off will give ALL of his body a chance to recuperate.

I remember reading somewhere that Trenners was top (or near top) in the team for some KPI's that Neeld had set. The article didn't say what those KPI's were, I got the impression Neeld was keeping them secret.

Maybe when the team structure takes shape a bit more understand what those KPI's were and we'll all have a big "NOW I get it!" moment when it all slots into place. It's possible the rest of the team needs to click into place for Trenner's KPI's to be visible to us on the sidelines or to have significant effect on the game.

I think a lot of us forget how highly rated Jack Trengove was as a junior. We all know that this year was a downer due to captain pressure, new game structure etc., but I found some articles back from his pre draft days and I remember clearly a lot of us were jazzing our pants at the prospect of Trengove in a Melbourne jumper?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26227091-5012432,00.htm'>Top draft target revives memories of Hird

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,26233690-12428,00.html'> Young gun Trengove earns rave reviews

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...lias-most-wanted/story-e6frf9jf-1225786427512'> Jack Trengove Australia's most wanted

Thoughts?

I think we've all learned by now that articles of these sorts which are perennials at draft time, need to be taken with a grain of salt.

Jack has fulfilled one aspect and that is that he's become a leader at the club at a very young age. He has a fair way to go to fulfil the rest of the predictions that were made about him and, as stated above, he'll start his 2013 campaign behind the 8 ball because of that foot injury.

Not too mention, that as a young bloke, he was thrown the extra burden of co-captaincy. That said, Neeld would not have done this, if he did not see some steel and strength of character in the young man. Trenners is the quintessential team man.

While his current injury status is clearly not desirable, the scientific methodology of managing injuries these days, is a universe away from 10 years ago.

His start might be slow at the beginning of season 2013, but I expect a better than good year from Jack, particularly when we now have more seasoned players on our list, that can better share the burden of leadership.

He had a sub 3 second 20m prior to being drafted that doesn't evaporate but injury can affect pace and acceleration however BH reported he was running with pace at training before his foot flared so let's hope whatever was wrong with him last year is fixed and not ongoing. His foot problem shouldn't affect his pace when he returns so he should be firing there. Endurance is in his genes, he's a superb endurance athlete so missing the pre-season won't affect him as much as some others. I'm a believer - he's got everything going for him and I expect him to be a gun.

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I remember reading somewhere that Trenners was top (or near top) in the team for some KPI's that Neeld had set. The article didn't say what those KPI's were, I got the impression Neeld was keeping them secret.

Maybe when the team structure takes shape a bit more understand what those KPI's were and we'll all have a big "NOW I get it!" moment when it all slots into place. It's possible the rest of the team needs to click into place for Trenner's KPI's to be visible to us on the sidelines or to have significant effect on the game.

Sure wasnt "long kicks for goal"

Had IMO only an average 2012 ( hell of a lot of mates )

But with the current injury I am not expecting a lot from 2013.

Just hoping he can be a good player in the second half of the season

He had a sub 3 second 20m prior to being drafted that doesn't evaporate but injury can affect pace and acceleration however BH reported he was running with pace at training before his foot flared so let's hope whatever was wrong with him last year is fixed and not ongoing. His foot problem shouldn't affect his pace when he returns so he should be firing there. Endurance is in his genes, he's a superb endurance athlete so missing the pre-season won't affect him as much as some others. I'm a believer - he's got everything going for him and I expect him to be a gun.

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Some really good points made; was thinking the same about the endurance, if it was Sammy Blease it would be more of an issue but with Jack he does have the tank already. It will be a setback but I'm sure he will be showing something as the season moves on and a lot of the doubters will eat their words.

He had a sub 3 second 20m prior to being drafted that doesn't evaporate but injury can affect pace

Is that fast for a mid? I don't know and I'm not sure where to get the information. From memory BH talked about 2.98 but I stand to be corrected.

Jack was never fast but he has an ability to find the ball and use it. Basically he's an inside mid who can mark. Even in his first few years his major contribution was the big mark.

IMO Neeld played him out of position last year when he spent the majority of the time as a high half forward. He is just not quick enough to play that position when the ball gets into space and we saw that time and time again.

And he wasn't injured last year. I hold hopes but I have a high degree of concern and have since his first year.

Is that fast for a mid? I don't know and I'm not sure where to get the information. From memory BH talked about 2.98 but I stand to be corrected.

Jack was never fast but he has an ability to find the ball and use it. Basically he's an inside mid who can mark. Even in his first few years his major contribution was the big mark.

IMO Neeld played him out of position last year when he spent the majority of the time as a high half forward. He is just not quick enough to play that position when the ball gets into space and we saw that time and time again.

And he wasn't injured last year. I hold hopes but I have a high degree of concern and have since his first year.

He did lose speed and distance off his kick, any ideas how that happened if he wasn't carrying something like osteitis. Only an opinion but I think he was injured and that's also why he spent less time in the middle.

Is that fast for a mid? I don't know and I'm not sure where to get the information. From memory BH talked about 2.98 but I stand to be corrected.

Jack was never fast but he has an ability to find the ball and use it. Basically he's an inside mid who can mark. Even in his first few years his major contribution was the big mark.

IMO Neeld played him out of position last year when he spent the majority of the time as a high half forward. He is just not quick enough to play that position when the ball gets into space and we saw that time and time again.

And he wasn't injured last year. I hold hopes but I have a high degree of concern and have since his first year.

It's not slow - that's point - he looked slow and had zero acceleration last year. He also couldn't kick properly. He was either fatigued or injured.

Is that fast for a mid? I don't know and I'm not sure where to get the information. From memory BH talked about 2.98 but I stand to be corrected.

Jack was never fast but he has an ability to find the ball and use it. Basically he's an inside mid who can mark. Even in his first few years his major contribution was the big mark.

IMO Neeld played him out of position last year when he spent the majority of the time as a high half forward. He is just not quick enough to play that position when the ball gets into space and we saw that time and time again.

And he wasn't injured last year. I hold hopes but I have a high degree of concern and have since his first year.

Anything under 3 seconds is considered good for a mid and exceptional for a tall. Viney, was 2.94 seconds, Lewis Jetta was 2.95, Shaun Atley was 3.05 seconds. Frawley was 2.98 and Hogan, who is considered quick was 3.02. Whitfield, the number 1 draft pick 3.15 seconds. But he did have a sniffle.

20-metre sprint (seconds)

1. Ayden Kennedy 2.88

2. Dustin Martin 2.89

3. Andrew Hooper 2.90

4. Sam Reid 2.92

5. Sam Shaw, Kane Lucas, Gary Rohan 2.93

6. Lewis Jetta, Dylan Grimes 2.95

7. Robbie Hicks, Jack Fitzpatrick, Bradley Sheppard, Travis Colyer 2.96

According to Shifter Sheahan the AFL average is 3.03 seconds. Trengove ran a 2.94 seconds at State screening, which means he shouldn't be slow, even though he's most definitely looked slow. But Viney looks like lightning compared to Trengove over the first 5 metres.

Viney would be thrashed in a footrace over 60 metres with Lewis Jetta, but I'd back Viney over 5 metres. And over 20 metres they're about the same. The best thing about Viney's pace is that he can and does explode away from congestion.

Many people believe he suffered from an injury all last year which affected his pace and kicking action.

If this was true, why hasnt it been acknowledged at all by now? It doesnt seem to make sense to keep it a secret.

Many people believe he suffered from an injury all last year which affected his pace and kicking action.

If this was true, why hasnt it been acknowledged at all by now? It doesnt seem to make sense to keep it a secret.

A lot of things don't make sense.

Anything under 3 seconds is considered good for a mid and exceptional for a tall. Viney, was 2.94 seconds as was Lewis Jetta in his draft year. Shaun Atley was 3.05 seconds. Frawley was 2.98 and Hogan, who is considered quick was 3.02. Whitfield, the number 1 draft pick 3.15 seconds. But he did have a sniffle.

Thanks. I've always thought Atley was fast but it puts the Trengove 20m in perspective. He shouldn't have any trouble with pace but I've never thought him quick watching him.

I really hope he explodes this year, he's been dealt a terrible hand in the last 12 months with a premature captaincy and then all the issues the club had to face after that decision. He's clearly a really good quality person.