No charges laid, no decision and no penalties ahead of draft

[Biffen 12,343]

They can have our mid range picks next year.

We played Morton , Paul Johnson and Turtle in the same team .

That's tanking.

We can get on with training now and Caro can go back to writing fairy tales.

The AfL will change the rules but it will be too late to stop our domination.

We will win 4 in a row from 2014 .

[PJ_12345 1,098]

What level of "proof" has to be met if we are to be found guilty of anything. Is it "beyond reasonable doubt" or "balance of probabilities" or simply in the opinion of the investigators. I have never seen anything which says what the hurdle is.

Or do the AFL just make it up as they go along?

The are the judge, jury and the executioner in a kangaroo court; filled with double standards, disgruntled witnesses and where mum isnt the word.

Pretty much sums it up really

[DeeZee 6,775]

This is excellent news if true.

All i wanted was to secure Wines.

If by some unfortunate circumstance we do get penalised, they can take picks off us next year and the following year, and possibly a fine.

Dont really care about that because we have the players we wanted, Hogan,Viney Wines and Barry for future development,Billy stretch in two years.

Its now time to hang onto players , develop from within and have a real crack!

[Gippsland Dee 367]

great news for the club! If all things go to plan it seems we will get Wines which should give us a great platform for the midfield and build on what we already have

If we're found guilty of tanking and get stripped of picks in the 2013 draft, as i have said before i don't think it will affect us as much as some think it will because we have already secured Hogan who would've been top 5 next year so we're already guaranteed a top player to come in that year, so we will not be going through it empty handed.

[Gippsland Dee 367]

The AFL will change the rules but it will be too late to stop our domination.

We will win 4 in a row from 2014 .

Aiming high, i like it

[Standing Room Only 27]

Good news for this year, but this is worrying; does everyone except Melbourne supporters know what's going on? Either the investigators, or some previous Melbourne staff are leaking like a sieve, how does Jon Ralph know we face unprecedented penalties?

The Demons still face unprecedented penalties but investigations into its alleged tanking strategy in 2009 are continuing.

Same way he knows everything. He generally makes it up to sound good.

The guy has zero real football knowledge. Consistently gets players names & positions wrong which really shouldn't be that difficult.

[Sir Why You Little 34,614]

This is good news. We now have months of legal advice at hand if needed.

To me the crux is still Dean Bailey. Did he tell players to go easy?

No. I think this is what the AFL are wanting to fully clarify.

If we are sanctioned, what exactly for.

The point is the AFL must rewrite the law so it is cut and dried. At present it isn't.

[Demon Forever 219]

Fcuk yeah.

Great news for us for this year. And what i always suspected would happen because it was simply going to be far too messy for the AFL if they went pre-draft before they had all (any) of their ducks lined up- legal action against any decision was/is almost guaranteed and the AFL didn't want the sh1tstorm that would have followed if a pre-draft ruling was made.

This allows it to go into next year if necessary from an AFL perspective to ensure they have exhausted every angle but also allows sufficient time for a Melbourne response and any subsequent court action.

If it even gets that far of course...

Spot on. The other thing that people forget is tat tree are wider reaching systematic problems that will arise should the demons be found guilty. Think about the implications it would entail should the verdict be "guilty" and the effect it would have on the betting industry. There would be class action against the AFL from a bookie compensation perspective.

The other thing is the AFL wants to ensure its "integrity" is kept in check. The AFL would much rather have this swept under the carpet and correct its Brand. A clean brand is better than a tarnished brand.

[Tatu 416]

Pardon me but I don't see how this means we have escaped penalties ahead of this years NAB draft? Didn't Carlton find out they were loosing picks 3 days before?

they had their sanctions because of salary cap breaches(which the AFL had proof of)... Not for tanking...... We don't even know what sanctions we'd get, if found guilty(no proof!!).....

I'm just hating how lately the media have been comparing.... Tanking sanctions, with the blues salary cap sanctions.... It's like their saying this is what happened to the blues when they tanked, so it should happen to us..... Have they all forgotten that those sanctions where for salary cap breaches, not tanking.... The blues also tanked they should be sanctioned for that as well...

They have nothing.... The media have been talking about it as though we are guilty..... But they have no proof....

This mob trial by media is giving me the [censored]!!! I've stop tuneing in to SEN..... I love sport, but they have lost me now..... I'm over it.... Constantly smashing us.... Without any proof of guilt except what dog McLean said on another crap footy show..... Like that is proof..... A disgruntled X player having a crack at his old club..... Far out...... What a joke!!

Edited November 12, 2012 by tatu

[dee-luded 2,958]

There is a god

the 2013 draft has been said to be 4 times as good as this years strong draft.

[Biffen 12,343]

the 2013 draft has been said to be 4 times as good as this years strong draft.

Lassiters lost reef is still out there but the rumour is that the Majestic Hogan nugget will never be surpassed.

[dee-luded 2,958]

This is good news. We now have months of legal advice at hand if needed.

To me the crux is still Dean Bailey. Did he tell players to go easy?

No. I think this is what the AFL are wanting to fully clarify.

If we are sanctioned, what exactly for.

The point is the AFL must rewrite the law so it is cut and dried. At present it isn't.

I have a feeling WYL, that todays announcement was mixed in with the tippet/crows penalty, deliberately,,, so the footy public will remember them punishing the crows & tippett, when they next hand down OUR unprecedented penalty.

They don't want to delve back to far & deeply for fear of digging too much mud up.

They I'm sure will make an example of us, for being so 'OPEN' about Our list management ways.

[Carrot Top 947]

But Caro said we were done like a dinner. Everyone had talked. We were as guilty as sin and all the AFL had to do was decide how hard to kick us.

I don't understand. Don't tell me that she (gasp!) was making things up to sell papers.

[dee-luded 2,958]

Lassiters lost reef is still out there but the rumour is that the Majestic Hogan nugget will never be surpassed.

I'd like to know if its very good right thru its depth of the draft, or if its exceptional thru the top rounds.

IF, its depth (2013) is fantastic, then if we hypothetically lose 2 picks next year, we may still get some good ones thru the remainder of the draft.

[Mgdee 319]

Maybe all those who questioned the Hogan deal will now understand the reasoning behind it. (Insurance)

If we do get sanctioned next year we will already have our first round pick secured.

If we don't get sanctioned, Hallelujah, we get two first round picks.

[Sir Why You Little 34,614]

I have a feeling WYL, that todays announcement was mixed in with the tippet/crows penalty, deliberately,,, so the footy public will remember them punishing the crows & tippett, when they next hand down OUR unprecedented penalty.

They don't want to delve back to far & deeply for fear of digging too much mud up.

They I'm sure will make an example of us, for being so 'OPEN' about Our list management ways.

but what are we going to be charged with?

There is nothing concrete except a dodgy rule.

The AFL should charge itself for being naive.

[demonoid 317]

Demons and league on collision course

This sounds a bit like Caro might be back peddling a bit.

[dee-luded 2,958]

I don't understand. Don't tell me that she (gasp!) was making things up to sell papers.

HaHaHa, ct, your avatar looks like CW on footy classified... boom boom.

Maybe, just maybe they didn't anticipate our anger & desire to fight, kick & scratch, all the way thru the courts, so maybe they (AFL) decided discretion & timing is they're best friends atmo.

The footy forums have been full of talk over the list managing of the past 12 Years, & IMO the AFL may have rethought they're plans after reading the threads

& the mood.

They could be picking the fights they can win, & when they want to fight it.

[dee-luded 2,958]

Maybe all those who questioned the Hogan deal will now understand the reasoning behind it. (Insurance)

If we do get sanctioned next year we will already have our first round pick secured.

If we don't get sanctioned, Hallelujah, we get two first round picks.

I think 'IF', we have to take a hit, I'd rather take it in 2014 draft, & still get our boy in that year.

[buck_nekkid 5,506]

So they have Nothing. Hard facts would mean they would issue a similar statement like they sent to the crows. A few snivelling innuendos from a B grade journo and some disgruntled employees means circumstantial at best.

Lets have a FANTASTIC 2013 draft, watch the crows in the news for a while, and take a breath from all of this tanking BS for a while

[markc 975]

the 2013 draft has been said to be 4 times as good as this years strong draft.

not to question this but with both hogan and martin taken out already the rest must be good

you would think these 2 would have to be both top 5 picks next year for what we and GC gave up

[dee-luded 2,958]

Demons and league on collision course

This sounds a bit like Caro might be back peddling a bit.

I hope we play hardball with this right thru the whole shebang.

It's time we took it up to them like the pies & bombers would & do.

All the way!

[Sir Why You Little 34,614]

Demons and league on collision course

This sounds a bit like Caro might be back peddling a bit.

smacks of desperation to me. The AFL Heavies are not getting the answers they had hoped for thus far.

[markc 975]

Demons and league on collision course

This sounds a bit like Caro might be back peddling a bit.

good to see we are looking at taking anything that COULD happen further , even it is is to court

about time those balls dropped !

[dee-luded 2,958]

not to question this but with both hogan and martin taken out already the rest must be good

you would think these 2 would have to be both top 5 picks next year for what we and GC gave up

I was told recently by a qualified talent scout that next years draft was a beaut, much better than this years X 4.